A theoretical limit on sampled piano dynamics

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Re: A theoretical limit on sampled piano dynamics

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braincell wrote:Forget VDAT recording. It's going to be an obscure bit of trivial history soon. Sconic Core went from a studio technology to Xite-1 which seems to be designed for live musicians yet it still requires a computer. They lost their focus and they put all their eggs in one basket based on what they wanted to own rather than what musicians need and can afford.
You're absolutely right, who on Earth would ever want a mobile mastering facility to run w/ a laptop.
Not every musician would want this, but I guarantee many producers, FOH engineers, Monitor Mixing engineers and certain performers will be using it.
Just like Intel would release their unlocked multiplier CPU's first and later on have consumer models available, SC has left their options open.
I will enjoy making money off of it, and by the time they have 64bit drivers they might have smaller units w/o mic pre's, half of the DSP's.....
UAD is prooving to the SC boys how desirable DSP platforms still are, and are also showing lower sales on their Quad cards because they released the smaller more affordable models simultaneously.

But your prediliction for prophecy is appreciated.
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Re: A theoretical limit on sampled piano dynamics

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I see a problem with the V-Piano. The pedals are going to gradually slip away because they are not attached to the stand. That will be annoying several times per night.
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Re: A theoretical limit on sampled piano dynamics

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braincell wrote:I see a problem with the V-Piano. The pedals are going to gradually slip away because they are not attached to the stand. That will be annoying several times per night.
There's this new invention called duct tape and velcro.... :lol:
And for carpeted stages, performers usually have pedal boxes.
Well that's how they do it on the big jobs anyway.
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we sold Alicia Keys 2 Rhodes pianos....
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braincell wrote:Forget VDAT recording. It's going to be an obscure bit of trivial history soon. Sconic Core went from a studio technology to Xite-1 which seems to be designed for live musicians yet it still requires a computer. They lost their focus and they put all their eggs in one basket based on what the staff wanted to own rather than what musicians need and can afford.
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yes, a total misunderstanding.
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It's an incomprehensible viewpoint.
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Re: A theoretical limit on sampled piano dynamics

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garyb wrote:we sold Alicia Keys 2 Rhodes pianos....
she's a cute chick, but I'd probably be more distracted by one of those keyboards...
nahhh, not really :lol:

cheers, Tom
Rhodes rules :D
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astroman wrote:
garyb wrote:we sold Alicia Keys 2 Rhodes pianos....
she's a cute chick, but I'd probably be more distracted by one of those keyboards...
nahhh, not really :lol:

cheers, Tom
Rhodes rules :D

well, we have a properly overpriced(but not according to the market) Rhodes in the store right now... :lol:

unfortunately, when miss AK wants to buy something, she has brokers and gofers to take care of the actual transaction. :(
happily, she's not averse to paying all that money for a keyboard that people were throwing out(literally, they used to drive up to the store's front porch, dump the Rhodes out of the trunk and speed away! :lol: ) just 10-15 years ago because everyone was convinced back then that the new synths could make the same sound only better in an easier and more transportable package.... the same Rhodes that i bought for $200 25 years ago is now worth near $1500. go figure...
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Re: A theoretical limit on sampled piano dynamics

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I must have been confused by their video which shows a photo of the inside of a real piano. I thought they said something about silver strings and hard rubber hammers. Maybe I imagined it. I can not find that page now. I am not against real pianos. I am against people who are against fake pianos. I am pro-technology.
Ah, the part of the demo showing the PC side GUI I think. I'm just speaking from memory here. There was a part where they change the preset values so the strings are silver, and the pc side gui must have shown it visually. Same thing with the hammers, where they soften or harden the hammers. I liked their approach in making it simple on the instrument side, while some parameters are only accessible through the gui software. It gives them an excuse to sell the software, but in practical use, I think it's cool to keep them separate. Sort of like having a technician come and fine tune the mechanics once in a while.

I agree with you on pro technology. I'm all for it if it sounds awesome. Although I'm strongly against technology being spent in a dumb way because the developers didn't know better. Seems to happen quite often.

I still have my fingers crossed for v-piano and also pianoid. The pianoid developer sends me updates in a while, but it seems like development is slow. I really like his approach though, since it seems like the guy is going as far as the pianoid dsp box will allow him, with as much precision as possible.
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