From Windows 7

[garyb]

xp bombs?

[Shroomz~>]

Not here it doesn't.

[dawman]

I should thank GaryB then, as I have never had a single crash.
Nice to know that a reboot can be so quick though.

[Neutron]

Vista is the same speed as XP unless you don't have enough RAM. I find it more stable than XP. When XP bombs, you have to reboot your computer. When Vista bombs, you only need to reboot your application and with a very fast computer, this takes a few seconds.

your glass is only half empty if you dont use a smaller glass.
your car only gets low gas mileage if you dont use a bigger tank.
Yugos are faster than Ferraris when the ferrari is broken.

[valis]

Win7/64 is faster than Vista64 here, though I lock pagefile limits on a dedicated partition, disable prefetch, disable system restore & drive indexing for most drives so it's not a standard 'consumer' installation. It's actually faster than Xp32 as well, but I have a dual quad (8 core) Xeon with 8GB ram, so that's to be expected with newer compiled code in Win7.

If you ask me, Vista was built to satisfy MS's software & hardware partners. Increased footprint (keep the RAM & HD makers selling stuff), QoS & DRM subsystems, DirectX 10 (gpu & games companies tout newer hardware & software) etc. MS *seems* to have possibly realized that they can't sit up in a high throne and cast down decrees to consumers on what we'll want to run on our machines, it's bad PR and doesn't drive sales. With Win7 there's a lot of positive press (which isn't necessarily all paid for by MS) and quite a bit of streamlining of the OS itself and things like update procedures.

Imo, the main reason you see Win7 applying frequent updates is because of the public beta process. This is actually a good sign imo because it indicates that MS is collecting data from the field and generating updates (along with their hardware partners updating drivers etc). If Win7 *wasn't* updating frequently while in beta it would either indicate very solid code or MS still not taking launch-date stability & performance seriously.

Also when XP 'bombs', as long as it's not something tied to the hardware (ASIO, gaming) you can just log off & back on to windows to clear userspace. I rarely have full system crashes even under Xp. And if you're using ASIO4All or some other layer that's actually wrapped around MS's wave drivers (directsound or otherwise) then a full crash isn't really comparable to using ASIO (again imo).

I can hit 32 sample latency (0.7ms) on Vista64 with my RME's ASIO drivers (which would be for software monitoring purposes when recording), and I can actually USE 128 sample latency (3ms) during most projects (128 is most l usually find myself needing). Win7 seems capable of this as well using RME's 64bit drivers, though I haven't tried doing full audio projects there. I get similar performance with OSX using core audio & RME btw...

[alfonso]

Maybe Alfonso would be willing to dress in drag as a fake 'booth babe'. A drag queen piss take of booth babes would be hilarious...

That wouldn't be for free....and only if Gary B joins in..

[garyb]

for a round trip plane ticket and lodging?

you got it!!!

[valis]

The following quote from the results page of this generalized test indicate that Xp does indeed use a single core more efficiently, while later OS's scale better:

"Windows XP SP2 outpaced Windows Vista SP1 and Windows 7 beta by leaps and bounds during multiprocess workload testing (concurrent database, messaging workflow, and multimedia tasks) on our dual-core and quad-core test beds. However, as you can see from the Scalability figures below, the improvement in performance of XP when moving from dual-core to quad-core paled to the gains of Vista and Windows 7, showing that the later operating systems take better advantage of multiple cores."
(taken from http://weblog.infoworld.com/labnotes/ar ... ult_1.html

Digging in deeper, it seems that when Xp is presented with a single unified set of cores it does much better (or single core), but when you move to cpu's that have cores where not all resources are shared uniformly later schedulers are much more 'aware' of resource allocation. This makes sense as current quadcores tend to share resources between 2 of the cores at a time, and multi cpu machines will incur a performance penalty going between cpu's when data could be kept at least on the same cpu socket.

As all cpu's transition to integrated memory controllers (as well as more cores as the quote suggests) these gains will increase, and it probably isn't any surprise to someone with programming experience that scheduling to achieve localized data performs better than having to fetch it constantly. I'm rather painfully aware of this as a decade ago or more my dual rigs would actually incur a performance *penalty* when doing music (or gaming etc) of about 10-15% due to cache contention (having to wait on the other cpu to release an area of memory mapped to its cache), and before that my dual rigs wouldn't even run 16bit consumer OS's (PPro era for me at home or SGI/HP used at 'work').

If I had more time I would contribute more to http://www.dawbench.com/benchmarks.htm

It's something I might suggest others with free time do, especially with Scope software as it can increase the amount of data we have to use in our discussions.

[siriusbliss]

Maybe Alfonso would be willing to dress in drag as a fake 'booth babe'. A drag queen piss take of booth babes would be hilarious...

That wouldn't be for free....and only if Gary B joins in..

He already has the <ahem> long hair

Greg

[braincell]

Is virtual clone drive something I could use with Cubase installed on it?

[Shroomz~>]

Maybe Alfonso would be willing to dress in drag as a fake 'booth babe'. A drag queen piss take of booth babes would be hilarious...

That wouldn't be for free....and only if Gary B joins in..

[Shroomz~>]

for a round trip plane ticket and lodging?

you got it!!!

Me too!!!!

[Shroomz~>]

He already has the <ahem> long hair

Wearing a wig will fit the drag queen profile better though, so Gary would have to cut off his hair.

[valis]

I would volunteer too, but judging by the last page or so I'd feel like the nerd talking about physics at the house party

(kidding)

[siriusbliss]

Is virtual clone drive something I could use with Cubase installed on it?

I don't know. May depend on how the cloner sees the I/O and drivers.
hmmmmm....

Greg

[next to nothing]

Is virtual clone drive something I could use with Cubase installed on it?

I would be surprised if not.

[braincell]

Do you think it would improve audio latency?

[next to nothing]

Not at all. Its a replacement for the non-working daemon tools on w7.

[chriskorff]

[wayne]

Alfonso, I'm ready to vocode some bass-pedal minimoog with the tuba in a frock - just say the word