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stardust wrote:cains ? you mean cain and abel ? very biblic

I'm very sorry stardust; I decided to delete my message about this just after posting it, but you'd already read it...

garyb wrote:Cynthia McKinney, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Chuck Baldwin....... i don't agree with any of those candidates 100%

siriusbliss wrote:
Or all 4 of these alternative candidates working together in one more powerful so-called 3rd party that would be focused on a more true 'new USA'.

That kind of splitting up parties (and consequently their political power) is very used here, expecially on the extreme wings.
Who don't agree any longer with their political fellows (for any reason), wake up the next morning splitting the party and carrying with him his electorate to a new (very similar) faction..

good.

it's never good when the government can "get things done". factionalism breeds gridlock which stops the greedy man's power grab and ambition. the governments that "get things done" the best, are always dictatorships. politicians are always trying to sucker the public into thinking that if their leaders could only work together, they'd work on making a wonderful world for everybody. they always say "just give me a little more money and power and i can fix everything, i am with EXPERTS". unfortunately, all of those guys are usually busier at making the world wonderful for themselves, so gridlock is good.

most problems are better handled locally anyway. local corruption, while burdensome, is never as devastaing as central, institutional corruption.

No, that is wrong. There are things I want done. Improve the crappy educational system, add free college as in Finland. Make sure everyone has health insurance at a decent price and without going up 30% a year as it has been. Fix the crumbling infrastructure such as the roads, bridges and the power grid. Increase funding of the NIH and the EPA, stop politicizing the NLRB, better relations with other countries, an end to occupations and civilian casualties, decreased dependency on oil and coal. The list goes on and on. Doing nothing is the republican philosophy. This can not continue. It will not be tolerated any longer. The republicans have set out since Reagan to ruin our country. Now the democrats have majority control and I promise you we will fight like hell to get things done. What conservatives, and fringe lunatics think doesn't matter any more.

braincell wrote:No, that is wrong. There are things I want done. Improve the crappy educational system, add free college as in Finland. Make sure everyone has health insurance at a decent price and without going up 30% a year as it has been. Fix the crumbling infrastructure such as the roads, bridges and the power grid. Increase funding of the NIH and the EPA, stop politicizing the NLRB, better relations with other countries, an end to occupations and civilian casualties, decreased dependency on oil and coal. The list goes on and on. Doing nothing is the republican philosophy. This can not continue. It will not be tolerated any longer. The republicans have set out since Reagan to ruin our country. Now the democrats have majority control and I promise you we will fight like hell to get things done. What conservatives, and fringe lunatics think doesn't matter any more.

Good luck with that.
Just take a look at Obomba's so-called cabinet and 'advisors' already started forming today.
I don't see it happening with this crowd.
Fight away...

yeah, better off having an economy where prices aren't controlled and health isn't a bunch of pills and expensive tests. the old doctor who made housecalls did just about as well as they do these days. for some reason, modern health(and the accompanying disease) is more complicated. for all this progress in healthcare, humans have never been sicker. in med schools today, they tell students that 1 in 2 with cancer is NORMAL. cancer was RARE when i was a child. autism was a rumor(the Amish have NO autistic children, none. yet it is common in the city)...

why would you expect government to do a good job providing those things? look at the military. how many billions of dollars are missing? those goons in government are more interested in getting rich with their frat buddies and banging a few whores than putting together a system to HELP you, the guy that they're trying to get richer than.

yeah, they SHOULD fix the infrastructure. how can you expect them to do any of these grandiose plans if they won't even take care of their primary responsibility? they already get more than enough in taxes and fees to maintain infrastructure, yet, as you say, it's crumbling and they need more money. hmmm, sounds like criminals are in charge again, oh well.

Republican politics is do nothing? hmmmm, we just had a Republican in office and he must have done SOMETHING. spending was at an all time high. Bill Clinton has been heard calling George H. W. Bush "dad", and they pal around the world together. SURPRISE! a lot of Obama's friends are also Bush's friends. i predict, "more of the same".

it's best if these guys can't get anything done. if we kept all our own wealth, "by the sweat of my brow", we'd be rich and we wouldn't need them. let them go on squabling and fighting, they're up to no good and gridlock is best! after all, power corrupts...the government is not a charity even if it'd be nice if it were.

the President is only supposed to be an administrator anyway!(that's why it's called a, duhhhrrr, administration) he's not a god king. he's got no say in any of these matters, NOT EVEN INCOME TAX(which is under IRS and congressional-unconstitutional authority). he has nothing to do with healthcare or abortion or even foriegn policy, except in how he wishes to present things to congress. he has the ability to cancel out congressional laws, but then they can overrule him. gridlock is the basis of the system, warring political parties, an administrator with veto power and the real power in congress, always all forces fighting each other. of course all these little ceasars have used the presidency to assume more and more authority than the office actually has, and since most people are uninformed as the how the system works(by design. if those who run things really wanted to be benevolent, they would make sure everybody knew how things worked in a fully transparent mode. instead, everything is CODEfied into legalese and a spell that causes sleepiness. the government's activity is "top secret" and the commoner's activity is on cctv). this would be the point where someone would pipe in "well, the president is powerful, 'cause he's the Commander-in-Chief". welll, yes, but only when Congress says it's ok.

in the name of "getting things done" the presidency has become a petty dictatorship. in the name of "getting things done" we've had Johnson and Nixon and Ford and Carter and Reagan and Bush and Clinton and Bush, each more foul than the last and the "things done" have made what anyone can see is poop everywhere. yep Demoncrat, Repubelican, Demoncrat, Repubelican, Demoncrat, Repubelican(see a pattern here?) and now again, Demoncrat. they keep changing places and the games stays the same. here's a thought, maybe it(left/right paradyme party politics) is all a big joke on the idiots who believe in it, kind of like believing in Santa after you're 3 or 4, it's funny and prankable.

garyb wrote:yeah, better off having an economy where prices aren't controlled and health isn't a bunch of pills and expensive tests. the old doctor who made housecalls did just about as well as they do these days.

My life was saved by modern medicine. I would have been dead 20 years ago. This and nearly everything you say is wrong.

garyb wrote:for all this progress in healthcare, humans have never been sicker. in med schools today, they tell students that 1 in 2 with cancer is NORMAL. cancer was RARE when i was a child.

Sorry Gary but this is totally unscientific, because you don't take in account the paramount factor: life's length is changed in an impressive way. More life, more diseases. Higher age more cellular damage. And even so, science is making things better and bringing to the general knowledge which are better ways of life to minimize diseases. Anyway, the life expectancy curves alone are enough to be happy with modern medicine. The ones at birth are the most significant:

for the U.S.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html

I got to live another 20 years for the cost of three XITEs.

alfonso wrote:...life's length is changed in an impressive way...

As far as the opinion of layman can have weigth, I think infantile death rate is greatly reduced and this raise the average a lot...

Nevertheless, yes, lifelenght is changed, improvements have be done, toward specific directions. It's hard to say though how all this reflects itself in the whole quality of life ...

Obama's first press conference; a breath of fresh air!

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politi ... entire.cnn

stardust wrote:Cant resist here.

According to sound disputes around here the bearing capacity is not reached by far. So it must be paradisiac still here: Health, space, water, energy, food etc.

yes, that's right. ALL SHORTAGES ARE MAN-MADE. shortages are for the reasons of control and profit.

i posted Al Gore's electric use on just one property(more in one month than most people's use in a year or even two), and yet we're told that WE need to cut back. ridiculous! HE needs to cut back. Al Gore is not anywhere near the tip of the pyramid. there are many who use much more than him for their personal existance. PIGS! they give you some BS stastistics that show the situation, but obscure their part and then the gullible think that normal people are the root of the evil. there is an open UN plan to reduce the population by 80-90%, so that the GOOD people can use even more of the resources without problems(UN Agenda for the 21st Century)...

as to life expectancy, as mentioned the statistics are skewed by the infant mortality rate. IN CITIES, people are definitely living longer, but that's because cities have been cleaned up considerably lately and people are not worked nearly as hard in cities as they were say, 100 years ago. in the past, if one made it through childhood, one lived a long and healthy life(unless one was a serf, in which case one was worked to death). one was strong and vital in one's old age as well, not just stored in old folk's homes and kept alive with ivs(which also skews the statistics). even today, in undeveloped areas not devestated by proximity to wealthier technological neighbors, people live well into their 90's and 100's and they are strong and healthy until death. examples include parts of china and russian peasantry. clean water, good food and exercise are better than medicine any day. period.

the technological world is the CAUSE and cure of disease.

still, i didn't say that modern medicine has no place(as shown by braincell's example). i'm a realist. we live where we live and sickness is normal, so normal that we can't even imagine life without it. we need medicine. the way it is implemented, though, is the reason it's unaffordable. it's the same old greed problem which is the reason the system CAN NOT fix the problem. to expect a fix from government is ridiculous. the people in government care about POWER, not people(with exceptions) and the proof is the state of the world. THAT'S what i said.

my god, are you all women? can't you argue the point and not the distracting side issues? must the responses be knee-jerk and emotional?

oh, wait! i'll get ALL of my opinions from SCHOOL! they're EXPERTS and know better, even though the great universities have always taught as absolute fact, that which they must recant in 10 or 30 years... on second thought, best to think for one's self...

stardust wrote:AFAIK he can start to work only 20.1.2009.
So what is he and his friends supposed to do for the today financial chaos.....then ?

try to bully everyone into voting for a bank bailout that works by borrowing money from then banks at interest(which the banks create out of thin air) and the giving the money to the banks to use as they please?

theater for the braindead and retarded....

EVEN WHEN HE'S ACTUALLY IN OFFICE, HE'S ONLY AN ADMINISTRATOR. HE CAN'T FIX ANYTHING ANYWAY! HE'S NOT A DICTATOR!

nice words don't fix things. for a guy who bellows about "change", he seems to be doing what any other politician would do. he's picked a bunch of mainstream guys who have been in on every disater to date as running mates and advisers, he gives bogus press conferences that promise what he can never deliver, and people think that if he talks well enough, that everything will be ok. how is that "change"? nope, the present course will be maintained 100%. any change will be an illusion based on the fact that we just didn't understand what the true destination was. we all know that politicians are pathological liars and yet there are always those ready to believe....

btw-it's always better to have your own, than to be owned.

stardust wrote:

garyb wrote: my god, are you all women? can't you argue the point and not the distracting side issues? must the responses be knee-jerk and emotional?

oh, wait! i'll get ALL of my opinions from SCHOOL! they're EXPERTS and know better, even though the great universities have always taught as absolute fact, that which they must recant in 10 or 30 years... on second thought, best to think for one's self...

my brain is my castle

"the thoughts sind frei"

of course, one must learn how to think, just like any other skill.....

stardust wrote:

garyb wrote:

stardust wrote:AFAIK he can start to work only 20.1.2009.
So what is he and his friends supposed to do for the today financial chaos.....then ?

try to bully everyone into voting for a bank bailout that works by borrowing money from then banks at interest(which the banks create out of thin air) and the giving the money to the banks to use as they please?

theater for the braindead and retarded....

Yes thats what happened over here.
But for that you dont need a change, thats just doing what all did.
No need to look thoughtful and concerned in the interview 3 months beforebeing accountable.

you assume that these people's job description is the one that you are shown...

he's doing his job. he is OWNED by bigger powers like everyone else. Obama was the CHAMPION of the bailout.

No one asks how a Kenyan-born, non-US citizen (unconstitutional to hold office), supposedly middle class guy can get to be Pres. without a LOT of backing from big organizations and billionaires with agendas.

His main backer is Brzezinski, so he's going to be setup to be the next Carter IMO.

Greg

What was the absolute percentage of votes (not for state, in the whole Union I mean)?
Sorry, I missed this data from the press..

almost 50/50....

i already posted a link with the totals.

stardust wrote:

garyb wrote:

stardust wrote:
my brain is my castle

"the thoughts sind frei"

of course, one must learn how to think, just like any other skill.....

Die Gedanken sind frei
was about remaining independent when physically or mentally dungeoned and appeared in the years before the german revolution.

I think no US citizen is in the situation of european absolutism, arent they ?

depends on your point of view. anyway, the concept is still valid. there are already calls for the imprisonment and execution of dissenters from major media sources, and Halliburton through their subsidiary Kellog Brown and Root(who built several Nazi camps through the Brown of Brown Brothers Harriman Bank) has already been contracted to build concentration camps here(several years ago).

Cochise wrote:What was the absolute percentage of votes (not for state, in the whole Union I mean)?
Sorry, I missed this data from the press..

He really only 'won' by about 20 counties throughout the country - mostly in the big cities.
Therefore the stupid electoral vote took over, since the 'popular' vote was basically 50/50.

Just close enough to make us believe that the whole thing is not rigged

Greg