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who cares...It´s still not clear who killed jfk or is it?

But from a german view an americon visit of the french sarkokozy / bruni by the clintons would be some kind of comic.

And a German president "Putin" (hrhr) like stated from a guy really called (MC)Cain...that must be some kind of real blaspheme which will lead into an enormous amount of religious jokes and satire (certainly in the world except from the us). Well, it is really hard to be a satirist those days...you simply can`t match the reality.

yes, it's quite clear who killed jfk.

E. Howard Hunt confessed the whole operation to his son before he died, both in his own handwriting and on tape.

the CIA and Mafia have already officially admitted their part.

LBJ's mistress went on record about LBJ's bragging about doing in Kennedy.

LBJ's personal documents admitting complicity in the murder have been released.


CFR is a part of the Royal Council on Foreign Affairs. McCain and Dick Cheney(who was the president) are members. it was set up by the Rockefellors who work for the Rothchilds(who control ALL the money, oil, gold, silver, coal, copper, etc for the world including the "wold bank"). it is a Daughter organization to Bilderburg and Club of Rome. wold government is real, it's here, and it's a lie as are all these political operations and organizations and the foolish notion of satire(although i really DO like a good joke!)....

I've read Bea pulled the trigger...

see, i DO like a good joke!

don't be surprised by anything in this campaign, scandal, dirty tricks, strange bedfellows....

siriusbliss:
Obama said he'd bomb terrorist targets in Pakistan if the government failed to act against reliable intelligence. He did not say he'd bomb Pakistan in the sense of waging war against the Pakistani people. I tend to agree with that since having the opportunity to attack those targets again may not ever surface.

scope4live:
"Too bad, as McCain is the only politician who has tried to get rid of lobbyists"

A google search for mccain lobbyists returns some contrary results. However, I don't believe everything I read on the internet. (see http://rationalsecurity.typepad.com/pho ... ttruth.jpg )

Where did you read this? I've read the opposite. Obama is the only canidate to not take money from lobbyists, or, is McCain also apart of this elite philosophy?

Obama IS an elitist. he is of royal bloodline. he is a member of the CFR. he is approved by Bilderberg.

McCain has the identical policies as Hillary. Hillary and McCain have expressed their love for eachother. Bill has said that a race between McCain and Hillary would be "freindly". both have attended Bilderberg meetings and both are connected to the CFR.

garyb wrote:Obama IS an elitist. he is of royal bloodline. he is a member of the CFR. he is approved by Bilderberg.

McCain has the identical policies as Hillary. Hillary and McCain have expressed their love for eachother. Bill has said that a race between McCain and Hillary would be "freindly". both have attended Bilderberg meetings and both are connected to the CFR.

It's called a cabal. The Bush/Clinton cabal. In whatever permutation it is presented, it is all the same. Therefore 'change' is just moving chairs around on the Titanic.

Wholesale TRANSFORMATION (entirely distinct from 'change') would look more like Ron Paul helping Americans take their country back, and stop screwing around with the rest of the planet.

Obama is a Clinton/CFR surregate - global 'poverty tax', UN troops on US soil, amnesty for illegal immigrants (including criminals and drug dealers), and is owned by insurance companies, and voted in favor of oil company tax breaks.

Therefore, NOTHING will change.

G

when you have a membership list like this:
[edit] Some corporate members
Some of the corporate members follow, most of whom are Fortune 500 companies.

ABC News
Alcoa
American Express
AIG
Bank of America
Bloomberg L.P.
Boeing
BP
Chevron
Citigroup
Coca-Cola
De Beers
Deutsche Bank
ExxonMobil
FedEx
Ford Motor
General Electric
GlaxoSmithKline
Google
Goldman Sachs
Halliburton
Heinz
Hess
IBM
JPMorgan Chase
Kohlberg Kravis Roberts
Lehman Brothers
Lockheed Martin
MasterCard
McGraw-Hill
McKinsey
Merck
Merrill Lynch
Motorola
NASDAQ
News Corp
Nike
PepsiCo
Pfizer
Shell Oil
Sony Corporation of America
Tata Group
Time Warner
Total S.A.
Toyota Motor North America
UBS
United Technologies
United States Chamber of Commerce
U.S. Trust Corporation
Verizon
Visa [31]



[edit] Notable current council members
John Abizaid
Robert F. Agostinelli (Founder and Chairman of Rhône Group.)
Fouad Ajami
Graham Allison
Roger Altman
James A. Baker
Evan Bayh
Warren Beatty
Sandy Berger (United States National Security Advisor under President Bill Clinton)
Michael Bloomberg (current Mayor of New York City)
Cory Booker
David Boren
L. Paul Bremer
Bill Brock (former Republican United States Senator from Tennessee)
Edgar Bronfman, Sr. (a member of the Bronfman dynasty, president of the World Jewish Congress)
Ethan Bronner (deputy foreign editor of The New York Times)
Zbigniew Brzezinski (United States National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter)
Jonathan S. Bush (healthcare CEO, son of Jonathan Bush, brother of NBC entertainment reporter Billy Bush)
Jimmy Carter (Past President of the United States, Nobel Peace Prize Winner)
Dick Cheney (Vice President of the United States under George W. Bush, Past CEO of Halliburton)
Warren Christopher (former United States Secretary of State)
Henry Cisneros
Wesley Clark (Retired US General, Past Contender for the Democratic Presidencial Nomination)
Bill Clinton (Past President of the United States)
Hillary Clinton
William Cohen
Jon Corzine
Katie Couric
Michael Crow (president of Arizona State University)
Al D'Amato
Thomas Daschle
John Deutch
David Dinkins
Christopher Dodd
Michael Douglas
Richard Dreyfuss
Peggy Dulany (fourth child of David Rockefeller)
Lawrence Eagleburger ( former United States Secretary of State under George H. W. Bush)
Dianne Feinstein
Roger W. Ferguson, Jr.
Noah Feldman (academic and author)
Mikhail Fridman (Russian oligarch, International Advisory Board member)
Thomas Friedman (journalist, The New York Times)
Evan Galbraith
Robert Gates (Secretary of Defense, former Director of Central Intelligence)
Leslie Gelb
Richard Gephardt
James S. Gilmore
Newt Gingrich (Former Speaker of the US House of Representativees)
Alan Greenspan (former Chairman of the Federal Reserve)
Donald Gregg
Chuck Hagel
Lee Hamilton
Jane Harman
Gary Hart (former Democratic U.S. Senator representing Colorado, Council for a Livable World chairman, advisory board member for the Partnership for a Secure America)
Christopher Heinz (Heir to the Heinz fortune)
Teresa Heinz
Warren Hoge (American journalist)
Richard Holbrooke
Jesse Jackson
Angelina Jolie (UN Goodwill Ambassador)[32]
Vernon Jordan, Jr. (close advisor to President William J. Clinton)
Robert Kagan (cofounded Project for the New American Century)
Thomas Kean
Caroline Bouvier Kennedy
John Kerry
Zalmay Khalilzad
Henry Kissinger
Irving Kristol (founder of American neoconservatism, Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute)
Paul R. Krugman
Richard D. Land
Jim Lehrer
Lewis Libby
Joseph Lieberman
Consuelo Mack (Anchor and Managing Editor of Wealthtrack and former CNBC television personality)
John McCain
George Mitchell
Walter Mondale (Former US Vice President under Jimmy Carter and 1984 Democratic Presidential Candidate)
Barack Obama
Paula Zahn (news media, formerly an anchor on CNN)
Janet Napolitano
John Negroponte (Deputy Secretary of State, former Director of National Intelligence, former U.S. ambassador to Honduras)
Sam Nunn
Joseph Nye
William Odom
Stanley O'Neal (Former Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board of Merrill Lynch)
Henry Paulson (Treasury Secretary)
David Petraeus
Kitty Pilgrim
Richard Pipes (founder of Middle East Forum)
Norman Podhoretz (former editor-in-chief of "Commentary", senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, Project for the New American Century signatory)
Steve Poizner (California businessman and Republican politician)
Colin Powell (Retired US General, Former US Secretary of State under George W Bush)
Charles Prince (former chief executive officer of Citigroup)
Charles Rangel
Dan Rather
William R. Rhodes
Condoleezza Rice (US Secretary of State under George W Bush, Former National Security Advisor under George W Bush)
Bill Richardson
Alice Rivlin (economist, former U.S. cabinet member)
David Rockefeller, Jr.
Jay Rockefeller
Charles Robb
Charlie Rose
Diane Sawyer
Karenna Gore Schiff (daughter of Al Gore)
Brent Scowcroft (United States National Security Advisor under Gerald Ford and George H. W. Bush)
George P. Shultz (former United States Secretary of State, former United States Secretary of the Treasury, former Secretary of Labor)
Ron Silver (actor, director, producer, cofounded the organization One Jerusalem)
Walter B. Slocombe (former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy)
Olympia Snowe
George Soros
Jonathan Soros
Lesley Stahl
Diana Taylor
Fred Thompson (Actor, former Senator from Tennessee, Presidential candidate)
Kathleen Kennedy Townsend
Laura Tyson
Paul Volcker (former Chairman of the Federal Reserve)
Barbara Walters
John Warner
Margaret Warner
Mark Warner
Rick Warren
Steven Weinberg (American physicist)
William Weld
John C. Whitehead (chairman of the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, former United States Deputy Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan, former Goldman Sachs chairman)
Christine Todd Whitman
Brian Williams
Shirley Williams, Baroness Williams of Crosby (International Advisory Board member)
Adam Wolfensohn
James Wolfensohn (former president of the World Bank Group)
Paul Wolfowitz (former president of the World Bank Group, former U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense)
R. James Woolsey, Jr. (former Director of Central Intelligence and former head of the CIA)
Robert Zoellick (President of the World Bank Group)
Mortimer Zuckerman



[edit] Notable historical members
John B. Anderson
Robert O. Anderson
Birch Bayh
Lloyd Bentsen
Conrad Black (International Advisory Board member)
Shirley Temple Black
Bill Bradley
William F. Buckley, Jr.
McGeorge Bundy
William Bundy
Arthur Burns
George H. W. Bush
Joseph Califano, Jr.
Hugh Carey
E. Gerald Corrigan
Monica Crowley
Mario Cuomo
Thomas Dewey
C. Douglas Dillon
Michael Dukakis
John Foster Dulles
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Geraldine Ferraro
Tom Foley
Gerald Ford
J. William Fulbright
Katherine Graham
Alexander Haig
Averell Harriman
Pamela Harriman
Christian Herter
Herbert Hoover
Hubert H. Humphrey
Bobby Ray Inman
Jacob Javits
Sergei Karaganov (International Advisory Board member)
George Kennan
Robert F. Kennedy
Jeane Kirkpatrick
Melvin Laird
John Lindsay
Robert A. Lovett
George C. Marshall
Charles Peter McColough
George S. McGovern
Robert McNamara
Susan Molinari
Paul Nitze
Richard Nixon
Charles Percy
Ann Richards
Nelson Rockefeller
John D. Rockefeller III
Felix Rohatyn
Eugene V. Rostow
Walt Whitman Rostow
Dean Rusk
Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.
James Schlesinger
Charles Schumer
R. Sargent Shriver, Jr.
Jean Kennedy Smith
Robert Schwarz Strauss
Strobe Talbott
Maurice Tempelsman
Stansfield Turner
Cyrus Vance
George F. Will
Albert Wohlstetter
Roberta Wohlstetter
Paul Warburg
Caspar Weinberger
Wendell Willkie
Andrew Young



[edit] List of chairmen and chairwomen

Russell Cornell Leffingwell 1946-1953
John J. McCloy 1953-1970
David Rockefeller 1970-1985
Peter George Peterson 1985-2007
Carla A. Hills (co-chairman) 2007-
Robert E. Rubin (co-chairman) 2007-



[edit] List of presidents

John W. Davis 1921-1933
George W. Wickersham 1933-1936
Norman Davis 1936-1944
Russell Cornell Leffingwell 1944-1946
Allen Welsh Dulles 1946-1950
Henry Merritt Wriston 1951-1964
Grayson L. Kirk 1964-1971
Bayless Manning 1971-1977
Winston Lord 1977-1985
John Temple Swing 1985-1986 (Pro tempore)
Peter Tarnoff 1986-1993
Alton Frye 1993
Leslie Gelb 1993-2003
Richard N. Haass 2003-

and their purpose is setting policy as admitted by the founder in this quote(who do you think will lead this new order?):

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents ... to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
- David Rockefeller, "Memoirs" autobiography (2002, Random House publishers), page 405

then any alive, awake and alert man would be on guard....

as you can see, the connections are EXACTLY as i have stated them.

more on the CFR and their duplicty....

Change is what I'll be left with if a democrat gets in the office.

WTF don't you understand about the fact that McCain, Hillary and Obama both belong to the same club with the SAME agenda?

the ONLY non-CFR candidate is Ron Paul. period.

change will come with ANY of those clowns, it's just that change will be a further dismantling of the US constitution, and a world scientific dictatorship. i'd think that europeans would have SOME clue about fascists by now.....



http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ja ... ymbols.htm

Again, we need wholesale TRANSFORMATION. NOT change.
change is a lie (and a bad marketing spiel).

Ron Paul is the only way to go, but since he's being shut down, then there is NO ONE left.

Europeans will NOT like where the US is headed - but will recognize the signs of fascism as it rears it's head once again.

Dismantling the US economy is the last step in their agenda, and when IT goes down, it's going to drag a lot of other economies down with it. Signs are that Germany, France, and soon even Japan will default.

I think Stardust gets it, and maybe he's just buggin' with us?

too much TV.....

the hypnotized are powerless.....

what's so hard to believe about a cabal that is real, that the founder has even admitted to? i'll post it again, a direct quote from the CFR founder and guide, rothschild fundee, and bilderberg principal:
"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents ... to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
- David Rockefeller, "Memoirs" autobiography (2002, Random House publishers), page 405

the things i point out are open secrets that anyone with eyes to see can see. if you can't see, then you know why americans can't either. part of the problem is that they always admit to and announce their true intentions, but when they do, they couch it in terms that make it seem like it's all for our own good, when in reality, it's for our own enslavement. when confusion arises, ordo ab chao....

here are the words of THE terrorist, by his own admission seriously working against humanity and liberty(he also said that china, a country that sells the organs of their political prisoners, you know the ones who criticize the government, is the model government), openly speaking treason in a commercial publication and the US government is wiretapping regular citizens and borrowing currency from this man's bank(rockefellor banks are at the core of the federal reserve system) AT INTEREST when they could just print debt free money. you tell ME who's in charge.....

as to the vote being a charade, IT IS A CHARADE! http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

voting is not just a charade in the USA. in europe, how many REALLY approved of the EU constitution? i noticed that the constitution that was voted down is being implemented anyway....

stardust wrote:Some say that these are weasel words

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on ... _Relations

pop goes the weasel cause the weasel goes pop

stardust wrote:Not really bugging sirius.

I am surprised about the statements that this CFR has a Janus like appearance.
It reads like a US chauvinistic club that should be no problem to a US citizen.

Some other and gary included put it in a shape of a elite conspiracy that makes the votes a charade.

This is hard to believe.
Not the fact that there are hidden agendas, but the fact that US citizens tolerate the charade.

The majority of Americans DON'T tolerate it, but with all voting and media systems owned by the same corrupt elements, then what can we do? People won't wake up until it's too late anyways, since everything is being done incrementally.

When/if the rest of the world wakes up, they'll just blame us Americans for not just voting them out, or impeaching them, or worse starting another freakin' civil war (or whatever).

Time to turn off the TV and write some music!

Greg

stardust wrote: This is hard to believe.
Not the fact that there are hidden agendas, but the fact that US citizens tolerate the charade.

A climate of fear makes anything possible to accept by the fearful majority.

However I think after the Katrina fiasco in New Orleans, more and more people in the US are starting to ask serious questions that were too difficult to contemplate before. When I went to NY i spoke to several people who said things I didn't expect to hear in that city - with so many people affected by respiratory problems due to asbestos-contaminated dust I'm not surprised (it was well known that authorities wanted to rip down that building for years but couldn't because of the asbestos).

Also Gary is right - these people want to destroy diversity and culture in the world, replacing it with homogenized and corporate approved bullshit. This is happening already, and will continue to happen until people wake up.

darkrezin wrote:A climate of fear makes anything possible to accept by the fearful majority.

Agreed. Fearful people can be corralled like cattle into accepting things they might not otherwise agree to.

Too many examples to even begin to list here...

Greg