can they be used for other purpose?
About "transparent" compression (1/2)
to me these tests don`t do anything.
even if there is distortion at higher harmonic or not ,
only your ear can tell you if you like it or not.
the next thing is the comps from different brands have different results on audio material at similar settings, so you can hardly do a fair test at all.
its like looking the graphical representations of different reverb impulses in an audio editor and rate which one sounds better.
my2c.
even if there is distortion at higher harmonic or not ,
only your ear can tell you if you like it or not.
the next thing is the comps from different brands have different results on audio material at similar settings, so you can hardly do a fair test at all.
its like looking the graphical representations of different reverb impulses in an audio editor and rate which one sounds better.
my2c.
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hubird
Manu,
We have many good developpers for Scope, and that's the key point (yes, DAS, SPACEF and CELMO are the french good ones
as they are professioanl with a strong music background but Wolf and many others are very professional too !). I won't comment your thread as i have not really understood it but i have just one thing to say : Peace, love and DSPs is all what we need Manu ...
jo
a french poweruser
We have many good developpers for Scope, and that's the key point (yes, DAS, SPACEF and CELMO are the french good ones
as they are professioanl with a strong music background but Wolf and many others are very professional too !). I won't comment your thread as i have not really understood it but i have just one thing to say : Peace, love and DSPs is all what we need Manu ... jo
a french poweruser
I tried that, just for curiosity. I didn't remember filemon to be so informative, so thanks for reminding me.manu wrote:@kylie,
Open SFP,make a empty project without asio aor anything else of course.
Start FILEMON just after because you will have tones of files on the screen.,
drag the concerned device into SFP windows.
Filemon will show you the DSP used by this devices (you can use filter for that) ,and COMPSAL.dsp is the compressor module used by KOMPRESSOR.
Of course ,you won't see wich script is using by a module,only files! that's enough.
did you filter by anything else but sfp or scope? I can't see a single dsp file referenced at all, which I find somehow mysterious... (since I opened it within the current, non-empty routing window)
but I found out that my installation seems to miss several things in the pepbase dir, so at least this investigation was helpful for me.
-greetings, markus-
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I'm sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma.
I'm sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma.
it's not too difficult to understand, Jo - just look at the date of the first post.
Right after Wolf's KOMPRESSOR got a few enthusiastic comments.
someone already knew it on page one
almost transmigration
... as you can see in the quote above (@kylie) the reference to 'scripts' , someone's most favourite bla, bla - seems he had a good peek into sdk...
amuzed(?), Tom
Right after Wolf's KOMPRESSOR got a few enthusiastic comments.
someone already knew it on page one
whoever wrote the BS under the manu account, it is a very particular person's style, language, quoting of meaningless pics, misunderstanding of humour, insisting on certain 'studio facts', bragging with gear, discrediting other people, telling to be 'out' and returning immediately, starting the trouble and playing the offended one, etc, etcShroomz II wrote:you forgot to say 'make good music with digital audio soft'manu wrote:Thanks DAS for your very transparent and very good compressors.
I doesn't take much brain power to figure out the true intentions of this thread.
Shroomz
almost transmigration
... as you can see in the quote above (@kylie) the reference to 'scripts' , someone's most favourite bla, bla - seems he had a good peek into sdk...
amuzed(?), Tom
Ay ay ay, what a flashback...
here's a new one: for totally transparent compression, press the little speaker button on the chosen device, thus entering "Bypass mode". If you do want to change the sound, experiment and choose the compressor that gives you the result you want!
Taking words of others, or even pictures, for sound is very dangerous. Demo versions are available.
That said, I like and use CW stock comps, I don't like Vinco, I have and use DAS's dynamic bundle, a lot, I havent really tried Wolf's yet, but I will, as all his other devices have been put to great use in my setup, and sometimes only MOV EQ, or DynPara does it. I experiment, find a good solution, then experiment again, find another good solution. If I'm in a hurry, I try one of the previous experiments.
Scope has variety. We don't all have to use the same device all the time... And besides, with the vast majority of plug-ins being so cheap or free, this should really be a great party, guys! In time, there is opportunity for all of us to build such a great collection of instruments and tools, we'll be able to do and sound like anything we want, good or bad!
I have devices from so many developers I "met" here on Z, like all of the above, and then some more, and absolutely all of them have proven to be incredibly generous, offering extra stuff, talking to me about the devices and how to use them best...
I'll even tell you a story, for free: I ordered a device from a developer, and told him I already had another set of devices, but I wanted to have more variety. And, even being presented with such a great opportunity to cash in some $ and get an ego massage, he actually told me I had no need for his device, as the other one was at least as good as his, and that my money would be better spent elsewhere... That earned him my respect, and later on, I had the chance to do business again and buy a super-class device from him, which makes my delight to this day.
Communication brings knowlege, and knowledge is power. What would a new scope user be without Planet Z? But sound is never pure mathematics, and sometimes even the brightest, fail-proof concepts have to step aside a little bit - it's the Earth we're on! We're all different! Time is always different, too! Ever tried to mix drunk? Some say it can't be done, or shouldn't, because it's a disgrace, oh my god, and so on, but maybe, with the right tools, you can do great mixes while drunk... and those would not be the same tools to use when sober.
I'm trying my best to distract you from fighting each other go have a drink and celebrate.
Love you all,
T
here's a new one: for totally transparent compression, press the little speaker button on the chosen device, thus entering "Bypass mode". If you do want to change the sound, experiment and choose the compressor that gives you the result you want!
Taking words of others, or even pictures, for sound is very dangerous. Demo versions are available.
That said, I like and use CW stock comps, I don't like Vinco, I have and use DAS's dynamic bundle, a lot, I havent really tried Wolf's yet, but I will, as all his other devices have been put to great use in my setup, and sometimes only MOV EQ, or DynPara does it. I experiment, find a good solution, then experiment again, find another good solution. If I'm in a hurry, I try one of the previous experiments.
Scope has variety. We don't all have to use the same device all the time... And besides, with the vast majority of plug-ins being so cheap or free, this should really be a great party, guys! In time, there is opportunity for all of us to build such a great collection of instruments and tools, we'll be able to do and sound like anything we want, good or bad!
I have devices from so many developers I "met" here on Z, like all of the above, and then some more, and absolutely all of them have proven to be incredibly generous, offering extra stuff, talking to me about the devices and how to use them best...
I'll even tell you a story, for free: I ordered a device from a developer, and told him I already had another set of devices, but I wanted to have more variety. And, even being presented with such a great opportunity to cash in some $ and get an ego massage, he actually told me I had no need for his device, as the other one was at least as good as his, and that my money would be better spent elsewhere... That earned him my respect, and later on, I had the chance to do business again and buy a super-class device from him, which makes my delight to this day.
Communication brings knowlege, and knowledge is power. What would a new scope user be without Planet Z? But sound is never pure mathematics, and sometimes even the brightest, fail-proof concepts have to step aside a little bit - it's the Earth we're on! We're all different! Time is always different, too! Ever tried to mix drunk? Some say it can't be done, or shouldn't, because it's a disgrace, oh my god, and so on, but maybe, with the right tools, you can do great mixes while drunk... and those would not be the same tools to use when sober.
I'm trying my best to distract you from fighting each other
go have a drink and celebrate.Love you all,
T
well, you probably noticed that I stay away from threads related to a specific company.
I certainly will not even attempt to 'discuss' with them or their disciple (as it's pointless anyway), but I do have an opinion.
Which is posted above.
that's all, Tom
and please pardon me... I never ever had any 'fight' with any of these guys
I may have a passion for argueing from time to time, but don't suspect any relevance to my life. There is none
I certainly will not even attempt to 'discuss' with them or their disciple (as it's pointless anyway), but I do have an opinion.
Which is posted above.
that's all, Tom
and please pardon me... I never ever had any 'fight' with any of these guys
I may have a passion for argueing from time to time, but don't suspect any relevance to my life. There is none
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hubird
the dispute -as it turned out to be- wasn't about any plug anyway, tho I learnt a lot again about measuring in general 
...it was against childish and primitive forum fooling...starting a so called informative discussion but with the underlying intention of 'proving' the supremacy of the DAS2A compressor regarding transparency...whatever that may be
...it was against childish and primitive forum fooling...starting a so called informative discussion but with the underlying intention of 'proving' the supremacy of the DAS2A compressor regarding transparency...whatever that may be -
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hubird
ok guys, I can confirm that this manu or uman is a fake member who has a close and direct bussiness relationship with DAS.
They are friends also (to some degree at least).
He deliberately wanted to teach us about transparency in general and more specificly that of DAS compressors.
The thread was fake.
How I know?
He himself told it to me, after I sent him a (not unfriendly) pm last night.
Style and arguments are exactly like we know it already from Eric, we are pirates and amateurs and only 20 in number, DAS is pro etc. etc.
I'd like to quote from his reply but I of course I can't (and do not want to) do that.
The info above can be told, as it was so open and hard put down that I don't think he wants to hide anything...and the information is relevant for planetz as a whole, after he really tried to fool us.
Case closed
They are friends also (to some degree at least).
He deliberately wanted to teach us about transparency in general and more specificly that of DAS compressors.
The thread was fake.
How I know?
He himself told it to me, after I sent him a (not unfriendly) pm last night.
Style and arguments are exactly like we know it already from Eric, we are pirates and amateurs and only 20 in number, DAS is pro etc. etc.
I'd like to quote from his reply but I of course I can't (and do not want to) do that.
The info above can be told, as it was so open and hard put down that I don't think he wants to hide anything...and the information is relevant for planetz as a whole, after he really tried to fool us.
Case closed
ok. I am against Manu's behaviour for sure (as i have stressed kindly ) but obviously nobody from DAS has something to do with Manu's thread, who seems to be a kind of fanatic. But all Creamware's users are fanatic, aren't they ... Should a Wolf's or a STW's customer put an agressive message, the developper cannot be blamed for that....
Kompressora would be fine though ..... Thank you Wolf for your professional behaviour on this forum and the good devices you create !
Jo
) but obviously nobody from DAS has something to do with Manu's thread, who seems to be a kind of fanatic. But all Creamware's users are fanatic, aren't they ... Should a Wolf's or a STW's customer put an agressive message, the developper cannot be blamed for that.... Kompressora would be fine though
..... Thank you Wolf for your professional behaviour on this forum and the good devices you create !Jo
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Its a long purpose thing ya know. Some of us have been here for a long time and instantly spot these things. Based on pure logic these kind of threads are so utterly professional as the get (the two letters U and N is intentionally left out of the beginning of that word).
Thing is, one might think it would probably do more good at places like KVR, but luckily, we are a only a few (unprofessional i must add, unlike our fellow thread-starter) users, and we all hang out here. something like this would never make anything anywhere else, as the threadstarter isnt here for discussion, but for promotion (and MY GOD what a failure).
if i was allowed to say the F word, instantly followed by something which starts with a "Y" i would sure do so. instead i refer to the formerly quoted lyrics (which, as a fantastic coincidence is down do to bandwith usage):
"
I dont know where Im going
But, I sure know where Ive been
Hanging on the promises
In songs of yesterday
An Ive made up my mind,
I aint wasting no more time
But, here I go again
Here I go again
Tho I keep searching for an answer,
I never seem to find what Im looking for
Oh lord, I pray
You give me strength to carry on,
cos I know what it means
To walk along the lonely street of dreams
An here I go again on my own
Goin down the only road Ive ever known,
Like a hobo* I was born to walk alone
An Ive made up my mind
I aint wasting no more time
Im just another heart in need of rescue,
Waiting on loves sweet charity
An Im gonna hold on
For the rest of my days,
cos I know what it means
To walk along the lonely street of dreams
An here I go again on my own
Goin down the only road Ive ever known,
Like a hobo* I was born to walk alone
An Ive made up my mind
I aint wasting no more time
But, here I go again,
Here I go again,
Here I go again,
Here I go...
An Ive made up my mind,
I aint wasting no more time
An here I go again on my own
Goin down the only road Ive ever known,
Like a hobo I was born to walk alone
cos I know what it means
To walk along the lonely street of dreams
An here I go again on my own
Goin down the only road Ive ever known,
Like a hobo I was born to walk alone
An Ive made up my mind
I aint wasting no more time...
But, here I go again,
Here I go again,
Here I go again,
Here I go,
Here I go again...
1978, whitesnake.
Thing is, one might think it would probably do more good at places like KVR, but luckily, we are a only a few (unprofessional i must add, unlike our fellow thread-starter) users, and we all hang out here. something like this would never make anything anywhere else, as the threadstarter isnt here for discussion, but for promotion (and MY GOD what a failure).
if i was allowed to say the F word, instantly followed by something which starts with a "Y" i would sure do so. instead i refer to the formerly quoted lyrics (which, as a fantastic coincidence is down do to bandwith usage):
"
I dont know where Im going
But, I sure know where Ive been
Hanging on the promises
In songs of yesterday
An Ive made up my mind,
I aint wasting no more time
But, here I go again
Here I go again
Tho I keep searching for an answer,
I never seem to find what Im looking for
Oh lord, I pray
You give me strength to carry on,
cos I know what it means
To walk along the lonely street of dreams
An here I go again on my own
Goin down the only road Ive ever known,
Like a hobo* I was born to walk alone
An Ive made up my mind
I aint wasting no more time
Im just another heart in need of rescue,
Waiting on loves sweet charity
An Im gonna hold on
For the rest of my days,
cos I know what it means
To walk along the lonely street of dreams
An here I go again on my own
Goin down the only road Ive ever known,
Like a hobo* I was born to walk alone
An Ive made up my mind
I aint wasting no more time
But, here I go again,
Here I go again,
Here I go again,
Here I go...
An Ive made up my mind,
I aint wasting no more time
An here I go again on my own
Goin down the only road Ive ever known,
Like a hobo I was born to walk alone
cos I know what it means
To walk along the lonely street of dreams
An here I go again on my own
Goin down the only road Ive ever known,
Like a hobo I was born to walk alone
An Ive made up my mind
I aint wasting no more time...
But, here I go again,
Here I go again,
Here I go again,
Here I go,
Here I go again...
1978, whitesnake.
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hubird
it is
imagine:
'Hi folks, me, manu,is a big fan of Das plugs, and I'm proud to know the Das people even personally, as they are great developers and good friends even.
Having said that, I'd like to discuss the transparency factor of compressors, as I really think Das compressors are extremely transparant.
I listened to compressors of other 3rd party developers, and without saying they are not good I think Das compressors have something special which other ones don't have.
Eric and I did a few audio tests, so you can listen to some audio examples, with the same file played through some popular compressors, well known on the Scope platform.
I (and Eric of course) would like to keep the names of them hidden, so no pictures or names.
We are not comparing compressors, we just would like to discuss transparency.
Listen to the files, the last one is done on DAS2A.
Now what'd you think, do you hear the difference?
Let me know
cheers.
manu (formerly known as uman).'
that already should have done it, without a single problem
imagine:
'Hi folks, me, manu,is a big fan of Das plugs, and I'm proud to know the Das people even personally, as they are great developers and good friends even.
Having said that, I'd like to discuss the transparency factor of compressors, as I really think Das compressors are extremely transparant.
I listened to compressors of other 3rd party developers, and without saying they are not good I think Das compressors have something special which other ones don't have.
Eric and I did a few audio tests, so you can listen to some audio examples, with the same file played through some popular compressors, well known on the Scope platform.
I (and Eric of course) would like to keep the names of them hidden, so no pictures or names.
We are not comparing compressors, we just would like to discuss transparency.
Listen to the files, the last one is done on DAS2A.
Now what'd you think, do you hear the difference?
Let me know
cheers.
manu (formerly known as uman).'
that already should have done it, without a single problem
hubrid,hubird wrote:it is
imagine:
'Hi folks, me, manu,is a big fan of Das plugs, and I'm proud to know the Das people even personally, as they are great developers and good friends even.
Having said that, I'd like to discuss the transparency factor of compressors, as I really think Das compressors are extremely transparant.
I listened to compressors of other 3rd party developers, and without saying they are not good I think Das compressors have something special which other ones don't have.
Eric and I did a few audio tests, so you can listen to some audio examples, with the same file played through some popular compressors, well known on the Scope platform.
I (and Eric of course) would like to keep the names of them hidden, so no pictures or names.
We are not comparing compressors, we just would like to discuss transparency.
Listen to the files, the last one is done on DAS2A.
Now what'd you think, do you hear the difference?
Let me know
cheers.
manu (formerly known as uman).'
that already should have done it, without a single problem
why would someone write you such a message?
Everybody knows:
you and DAS have always been some sort of "best friends".
But funny it is.
( I know you like quoting
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hubird
you misunderstood it, Hifi
I just meant, he could have done it about that way when starting the thread
would have been perfect with me.
no sneaky tricks to push something through our throats (like the assumed extreme transparancy of their plugs),
yet just an intelligent debate about the subject, with open face.
The 'imagine' sample shows how that could have been simply done, without any harm to anybody, inviting planetz for an adult discussion.
We are intelligent and we are decent, we like the Dbate, why would one need to fool us?
hope this helps?
I just meant, he could have done it about that way when starting the thread
would have been perfect with me.
no sneaky tricks to push something through our throats (like the assumed extreme transparancy of their plugs),
yet just an intelligent debate about the subject, with open face.
The 'imagine' sample shows how that could have been simply done, without any harm to anybody, inviting planetz for an adult discussion.
We are intelligent and we are decent, we like the Dbate, why would one need to fool us?
hope this helps?