Patience, please stand by

Post by **garyb** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:35 pm

respect,braincell....

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:28 pm

On 2004-01-21 15:22, King of Snake wrote:
You think they are overpriced but you have 30 (or 40, you pretty much lost count obviously). Maybe you should try reading back you own statement and realise how ridiculous that sounds.

You don't need to take issue with everything

I think this situation is called "the law of diminishing returns".

Billy goat gruff · Post by **Billy goat gruff** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 10:29 pm

About 95% of all businesses started have closed down within 5 years.

Creamware people....I salute you...and thank you for your vision, skills, and tenacity. There is a big difference between those who talk.....and those who do.

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:42 pm

Indeed! CW is bound to grow more and more, if the leaders and workers are determined enough and the users positive enough!

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:05 am

Excuse me Life but I heard this is an urban legend (a myth), also you don't need to drink 8 glasses of water a day (this has never been proven or tested by anyone) and little Mickey did not die from eating poprocks:

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/poprocks.htm

I'm trying in my own small way to stem the tide of rumors and lies.

On 2004-01-21 22:29, Lifechangee wrote:
About 95% of all businesses started have closed down within 5 years.

Creamware people....I salute you...and thank you for your vision, skills, and tenacity. There is a big difference between those who talk.....and those who do.

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:40 pm

Urban myth, doubtful. Exaggeration, surely. It's closer to 70% (in the US anyway). Most startups don't have the money to get organized, nor to they spend money (that they don't have) on lawyers who can help them avoid all sorts of tax pitfalls, research and investment protections, etc. They are also often reliant upon computers which they don't know how to use and keep poor records which they don't back up.

Most people also don't no how to judge the ever-changing tides of the cut-throat world around them and can't keep themselves competitive.

I think Creamware has not fallen prey to these, and is only suffering such abuse because of production delays cutting into their very lean profit expectations.

Moving right along, it is 'recommended' that the average person drink 1.2 liters of water every day as proper hydration affects every aspect of human growth and development. There have been more tests on this than people who think Micheal Jackson is a kid toucher.

Times where this kind of water intake is especially necessary is during the winter where humidity levels drop. In addition to the effects of less sunlight, the lack of water can add to the generally sluggish/tired/depressed mopeing(sp?) about that is a general sign of winter. And given that we (the US at least) is a Cola/Coffee nation, we are dramatically unaware that we as a population are suffering many unnecessary health problems that proper hydration could cure (and that our government has been taking radically fascist steps though that is the topic of another letter).

As for the pop-rocks, I know a friend of a friend whose cousin ate six boxes at once and exploded. Seriously! Ever mopped a ceiling?

Just because things can be hyperbolized, doesn't make them immediately incorrect. 'Cept for the pop rocks that's total horse$#!@.

Sam

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interloper · Post by **interloper** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:27 pm

On 2004-01-22 17:40, dehuszar wrote:
As for the pop-rocks, I know a friend of a friend whose cousin ate six boxes at once and exploded. Seriously! Ever mopped a ceiling?

Sam

Lol! And you are right about the water.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:11 pm

Exactly Who says 1.2 liters a day? What is an average person? How can someone who runs 10 miles a day need the same amount of water as someone who sits in a chair all day? So you mean an average sized person who moves an average amount in an average climate? This is meaningless!

Billy goat gruff · Post by **Billy goat gruff** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:22 pm

In Australia, the figure quoted in Business 101 is 95%. It's possible we're not as bright as the rest of the world. As for little Micky and the water, I'm convinced these are true.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:26 pm

Of course they teach you that. The idea is to intimidate the students. It's all about power. That is why in the army the sargent goes around calling people names and making people feel like shit. The job of the leader is to make all the followers do what he says without questioning him. He has to be right about everything otherwise it would undermine his authority.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:49 pm

How did this conversation change from CreamWare's future to water consumption?

Shayne

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:11 pm

I got that water figure from my memory of an American Medical Journal article I read in a waiting room. I think it was meant to refer to the average American of which there are plenty. I think the criteria is approximately an average person meaning 5'9" 180lbs who sits on his/her fat ass watching TV all day drinking jolt and eating cheetos, but I think these figures are not meant to be a direct fit, but that of the tests, the middle of the road, the average of all their results led them to the figures I stated in the previous post. I've been carrying that little nugget in my head for a while so my memory may betray me on some of the details, but the gist is pretty clear.

Anyway, feel free to live the rest of your life suffering the painful effects of dehydration, poo-poo CW's efforts, and overdose on pop-rocks. I'm just trying to help.

Sam

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:33 am

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewforum ... um=31&6216

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:53 am

I need to see a *specific* scientific study to support your finding. You should take a look at this:

http://www.drkoop.com/template.asp?page ... &id=508601

"there's little data supporting the conventional water wisdom."

Also, there's a myth that Coffee doesn't count.

I am sick and tired of people spouting facts that have no basis in reality.

Did you ever play the game telephone? Distortions are occuring at an ever increased rate. We all should know the truth.

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:58 pm

Well, I see you point but the figure about the water is true. As most people in the US consume less fruits and vegetables, and instead eat more processed food (boxes, cans, tv dinners), there is less water absorbed by the body. Before, when most diets were different, meaning composed of a lot of fruits and vegetables (not frozen either, by the way), sufficient water was consumed.

The winter season and drinking coffee which is a diuretic can lead to dehydration. There is no magic hocus pokus effect here, that's common sense.

Does the water industry want to sell you more bottled water? Of course, but that another issue entirely.

Is adequate water consumption imperative for good health? It is.

Er, um.... go Creamware!

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:22 pm

Braincell, I think what's happening is that we just disagree, and insist that our particular source is the correct one. If you want to see 'results' saying the opposite of what your source does, you don't have to look that far (I seem to recall many medical reports claiming that there are no unhealthy effects from smoking).

If it's really that important I'll see what I can dig up. Having said that, it is not so important to me one way or the other.

But I think Immanuel is right in reminding us that this is getting grossly off topic. This all started from a post that we should be patient and not jump into conspiracy theories with both feet until more information has come forth. Obviously this has not happened, and I take partial responsibility, though -admittedly- I think it was funny for a moment.

Whatever viewpoint we believe is the proper one, be it in regards to Creamware, water consumption, or pressure-based hemmoraging of the stomach lining due to fizzy treats... opinions are like assholes --everyone's got one.

Neither of us have personally done any research on CW's financial prospectus, nor on hydration effects, but are going off of other people's studies which feel 'right' to us regardless of potential bias or invested interest.

In fact, when you really get down to brass tacks, no one can prove anything about anything.. we just utilize a linguistic framework and agreed upon (sometimes) ideological framework with which to share thoughts about our trying to understand forces which operate outside of our own specific sensory perceptions. There is no one truth, only emerging patterns.

So it is my vote that we should either let this one drop, or pick it up in the off-topic forum as we aren't going to come to any undeniable answer about anything in this particular thread without hijacking the original topic and steering it into some other direction entirely.

Peace,
Sam

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valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:04 pm

Personally I'd rather see people consume more water than more Big Macs or UltimateCheeseburgers.

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:20 pm

On 2004-01-22[& 23], braincell wrote: [& Sam popped in with bracketed responses]
Excuse me Life but I HEARD [my caps -Sam]this is an urban legend... (a myth)
...
I am sick and tired of people spouting facts that have no basis in reality.
[but you're comfortable spouting 'facts' on hearsay?]
...
I need to see a *specific* scientific study to support your finding.
[so I can't tell you what I've heard then? That seems unfair.]
...
Also, there's a myth that Coffee doesn't count.
[do you have a scientific study to back up your claim? this sounds suspiciously like you're spouting.]
...
I'm trying in my own small way to stem the tide of rumors and lies.

Then PLEASE take a deep breath and don't sling accusations. We're all very anxious to hear what's happening, but your responses have become quite aggressive and seem to be in contradiction of your stated intent.

Since we all pride ourselves on being a part of an ununsually civil forum, lets try and take a step back and just sit tight until more news comes. ...and it will come.

My $.02
Sam

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Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:20 am

Anyone interested in water just needs to watch "Dr Starngelove" for all questions to be answered.

In the meantine can I just say how much I hate Quicktime ?

kimgr · Post by **kimgr** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 4:46 pm

On 2004-01-24 10:20, Spirit wrote:
In the meantine can I just say how much I hate Quicktime ?

Finally someone makes some sense in this thread !
I'm with you all the way if you want to start a "I really hate QuickTime" type of ShoutOut...
And how about RealMedia ???

Kim.