Brexit

[hubird]

vet? missing this one

I don't believe it's so hard as you always think it is.
It's a template, templates are generic, and very restricted in their explaining ability, and boring as discussion stoppers, as 'they are always true'.
I'm more interested in the differences and irregularities.

You're on your own regarding conspiracy, I say it before: don't try to make me part of the church, it won't work
What can work is discussing about changes and differences and where they come from and what consequences they bring with it.
The extra conspiracy layer which overrules everything to add is up to yourself

[Nestor]

After accepting a Pentagon proposal, Norway will host US Marines at a base near the Russian border as Russia deploys nuclear-capable ships to Kaliningrad.

[hubird]

Good, let's stay vigilant!
This should never happen:

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[garyb]

vet? missing this one

vet= to check (something) carefully to make sure it is acceptable

i don't care if you do your own research or if you deny it automatically. what is real is real, even if it fits your definition of "wing nut"...

[garyb]

i grew up with the rumors of nuclear war. we had to practice hiding under our desks just in case.

not scared of the Russians....

[hubird]

i don't care if you do your own research or if you deny it automatically. what is real is real, even if it fits your definition of "wing nut"...

Do I smell again that truth claiming bouquet here?

not scared of the Russians....

I would indeed fear more a hulk like Trump at the red knob indeed
Btw, the food of McDonalds is also deadly...

[Nestor]

i grew up with the rumors of nuclear war. we had to practice hiding under our desks just in case.

not scared of the Russians....

How sad Gary, poor little boys and girls there, having to make up their minds about a possible nuclear attack in the future. I’m sorry you had to go through this.

This kind of drills should be expected facing up natural disasters, ok, but it is crazy that our humanity have to eventually perform drills to try to save from itself, from its very neighbors and race, which are also human beings.

Common, something is really wrong with us!

[garyb]

what's really wrong is the idea that getting under the desk would help in a nuclear explosion...

hubird, it can smell like whatever you want. that is the beauty of the product. also, Trump is actually fairly harmless. i guess you don't know what the President is actually in charge of. there was an interesting series of emails to Obama before he was first elected that came from the Bush Whitehouse. they wanted Barry to know that they were arranging an easy transition to his administration, even though he hadn't been elected yet. presidents come and go, but the policies that the people who hire them require, transcend party and personal boundaries.

[hubird]

A mind comforting thought this must be for you: nothing to worry about anymore, all is determined.
I prefer Hillary at that red knob tho

CETA definitely failed, I just read.
A victory for the lower mid class common people here

[garyb]

first, i'm not worried, but your reason why is stupid as hell. everything isn't predetermined, but there ARE powers that be who are running their own agenda, just like any group with power would. the president IS selected, but that's no promise that things will go the way that some want. then again, it makes a Hillary presidency a somewhat(but not absolutely) foregone conclusion. the election can't be rigged beyond the realm of plausible deniability.

second, do you really think Americans spend even one moment thinking about who you want for president? you don't even know what the president even is supposed to do. if you did know, you wouldn't be so interested, except for entertainment. we don't have a king, the president is just an administrator. that's why they call his(or her) time in office an "administration". when the president sets policy, he is actually overstepping his bounds.

last, i can't believe that you wouldn't want CETA. is it really done, or is it like the EU, where even when the population votes against it, it's implemented anyway?

[hubird]

Biggest objection is the parallel justice system, giving multinationals the right to overrule national governments, just like with TTIP.
Those trade treatments are negative for the people who suffer already most from globalisation. Take notion of that, it is close to your own political thoughts...

Regarding content and objections, do a search, it's too hard to express in english for me.
A lot of objections there are, as you can 'see' here: Why Wallonia is against Ceta:
http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/39683/nbsp/ar ... a-is.dhtml

Although - as usual - there are also opportunist interests in voting this way.

Canadian trade minister Christia Freehand was broken and in tears after the defeat of the 7 years negotiations.
The no means something...

[Nestor]

[garyb]

i've never been in favor of those types of trade agreements.

yeah, Nestor. that was quite a scandal. Snopes really downplays it. so does this site, but even the downplayed version is pretty slippery/shady. while it wasn't $200,000 worth of furnishings and trinkets, there did seem to be about $80,000 of items that shouldn't have gone home with Bill and Hillary. it's good work, if you can get it:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... -stealing/

[guppy]

This one is not so bad too
http://www.trueactivist.com/breaking-wi ... citizenry/
“as I’ve mentioned, we’ve all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry.”

Well......you got some guillotines in your country ?

[Bud Weiser]

Biggest objection is the parallel justice system, giving multinationals the right to overrule national governments, just like with TTIP.
Those trade treatments are negative for the people who suffer already most from globalisation.

You speak from the heart of many, many, if not the most people all over europe !
Absolute no interest here in TTIP and CETA.
The bank crisis s##t is coming back too, they all learned nothing.
There is no united EUROPE existing and it´s only all about the economy as a whole.
The majority of people won´t profit from TTIP and CETA, only a few and already being rich did.
It´s all about creeping compulsory acquisition of private savers in europe,- all pushed by EZB.
What happened to Cyprus years ago was only the test and the beginning.
One of my best friends from already the 70s worked in a/the world leading trust administration,- and being buddhist quit his job because of remorse.
He told me a lot !

The families of my parents lost all their money after WWII. Just a fact.
My parents, being teenagers during WWII, started w/ DM 40,- in the pocket after WWII.
When the EURO came, they lost about 50% of their life savings via exchange rate EUR vs DM being 2:1.
But you never could buy as much for 1 EUR as you could for 1 DM and the prices rapidly rised from day one after the appearence of EUR.
In fact, that was another currency reform stealing citizen´s cash.
It won´t stop until next currency reform will happen when the EURO dies and leaves millions of people in the dust.
Old age benefits and such ... good bye then !

Bud

[dawman]

At least Europe seems to have some babes in office.
Italy. Greece and the Ukraine got some fine trim representing them.

We got fat old sea hags.

Just saw Elizabeth Warren pretending she's an effective leader.
Her annoying voice sounds like Jimmy Stewart having a stroke.

[Sounddesigner]

Looks like the FBI has re-opened its investigation against Hillary Clinton due to new emails found on Anthony Weiner's computer. Anthony Weiner is the estranged husband of Hillary's top aide Huma Abadein, and Anthony Weiner was being investigated by the FBI himself for 'sexting with a minor' and I guess during that investigation the FBI found emails relating to the Hillary scandle. A interesting dynamic none-the-less as well as the further collapsing of Obamacare (insurance fees are going to sky-rocket next year for many as well as other bad factors).

The Clinton's did not just break the law a couple of times but actually LIVED above the law (basicly breaking the law in their everyday life continuosly) and operated with a arrogance-of-power. There is and has been so much corruption and dirty-deeds from the Clintons that it would've been very easy to bring charges against them and find them guilty of multiple crimes IF the FBI, DOJ, President, Media, etc had not been corrupted themselves. The FBI might have some more damning information now that's forcing their hands to do something or look even worse in the publics eyes in the future when more evidence surface into the peoples view.

The corruption in Washington D.C. is off the charts right now and if we don't correct it then it may become uncorrectable and our Nation may be destroyed from that corruption ultimately.

[hubird]

America has to change or it will lose control on the longer term, given the unbelievable growth of China's and India's economies.
Both political parties are alienated from their voting base, due to globalisation and social separation along the line of city against country culture.

Interesting article about the changed voters landscape:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/republicans ... ding_now_2

[Sounddesigner]

America has to change or it will lose control on the longer term, given the unbelievable growth of China's and India's economies.
Both political parties are alienated from their voting base, due to globalisation and social separation along the line of city against country culture.

Interesting article about the changed voters landscape:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/republicans ... ding_now_2

I agree, that there is great division that's harming America right now. Corruption and division can destroy any Nation great or small. These things WILL destroy a Nation if a change is not made. It doesn't look good for us right now and destruction is in view and nigh but I do know as well that we usually get ourselves together eventually so I still have a little faith in the USA. I subscribe to Winston Churchills statement on America that went - "You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, AFTER they've exhausted all other possibilities" . That quoted phrase sums up America. America will continue to do all the wrong things first but when life is on the line we tend to do the right thing eventually. This time I think America needed some outside help wich is from 'Wikileaks' and also need to feel more pain from Obamacare, Warefare, 20 trillian-dollars debt, rising crime, rising poverty, increasing Government corruption, etc. America is being forced into a change that it has to make and I do believe we'll get around to making it, we just wish to "exhaust all other possibilities" first.

It isn't just China and India growing more powerfulll, Russia is developing a Neuclear bomb so powerfull it can destroy a land-mass the size of Texas. The bomb is so powerfull it can destroy the whole country of France. The nick-name of the bomb is 'Satan 2' and it will be ready for military use as soon as 2018. Russia's economy may not be doing so well now but look at how horrible their economy was BEFORE Putin came to power. Putin made the economy 70X better and expanded Russia's influence and territory (new territories such as Crimea, parts of Georgia, part of Maldova). The 'arms race' is not a race America and other 'free Nations' want to loose, the consequences for loosing are too severe..

Here's a link to the Russian Neuclear bomb Satan 2 - https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/e7f35523-f ... ge-of.html

[Nestor]

Very unfortunately, hollow bullets are more powerful than the best of USA citizens will, and they have millions and millions of spare boxes of them in there, ready to be used. I definitely believe in people, and I believe in Americans too. They are, in most cases, really great people, full of hart and spirit for life, enthusiastic fellows, they love professionalism in every aspect, they are creative, courageous and brave to open up their way, but the leaders that stand there for you, brother, unfortunately, are kind of “Satan 3”, worse than the Russian bomb itself you have mentioned! That is the big problem we have now, all of us, they have grown far too big, far too powerful and in an extremely deep way, like evil weed tentacles that go across every single aspect of social life, getting into almost every country around the world, and pretty much so, into every single home! They really are like a very bad plague that suffocate life altogether! They really, REALLY are the virus that is sickening our international system to death! These people should have never gotten into power in the first place. But what can we really do now? If these revolution would have started about 20 years ago, we today could have a chance to sort it out, but… even if I believe in human nature, I see it is already too late, because the illness is way too deep into the world body. Now, we will reap what we have sown.