@ Nestor, may I ask you: is all this environmental stuff new to you?
At least it looks so, as you seem to try to convince us from what's happening, and warn us for the danger.
Those terrible mining conditions in Chile (and Afrika, etc.) are well known for decades, at least by me.
The concept of sustainable production is widely known and in a lot of countries partly implemented or aspired as such.
Your country has a ministry of environment and sustainable development, chased by activists to do better.
LIke Vida Silvestre Argentina which is successful in the struggle against overfishing and wrong fishing nets, etc.
If even the president of the maybe most capitalistic country of the world embraces sustainable production methods (speech last week, in Canada), then you can be sure the 'warning' stage is passed already (the wolf crying thing Gary mentioned).
Who doesn't know yet?
The 2 degree temperature rise can't be stopped anymore, but if we do nothing it will be much worse, especially as this climate change happens in a very short time period.
You could join environmental organisations, internationally and nationally, sign petitions, demonstrate, join green parties, etc.
Like the Fundación Ambiente y Recursos Naturales in your country
the government is made up of people that don't care about you. that's all governments. if you were a psychopath, where is the safest place to work? government, police. for pedophiles, it's child protective services. that doesn't mean that there aren't good people in these places who try to do the right thing. it does mean that their work is blunted by those with personal agendas. believe this or don't, the state of the human world proves it.
a 2 degree warming is either happening or not. it has happened both up and down many times in earth's past. there's nothing humans can do to make or stop such a thing, unless you believe the stories about weather modification from devices like HAARP. human "green house gases" including CO2 amounts to .28% of total possible greenhouse gases. water vapor is the main culprit amounting to 95% of greenhouse gases. gullible people who believe everything they are told believe that eliminating human CO2 will do anything are woefully uninformed. man made CO2 emissions are only 3% of the total CO2 total. we've been through these actual hard numbers before, but the obfuscation continues on this board. what is the hope of accurate info being given to and accepted by the public?
while people's opinions DO matter, such organizations are owned by those who seem to own everything else, the folks who do bad things. you need to follow the money trail. there is a LOT of money spent on manufacturing consent. the general vibe is managed. until people really get a grip on that reality, it's just happy talk. i'm sure that's part of what disturbs Nestor and others.
there isn't a need to play Pollyanna. there ARE real problems. they are only human problems though. the Earth continues regardless. obviously, PlanetZ is NOT a place to solve them. this is a forum for audio tools, while we can chat about things, we arfen't going to fix anything here. it's pretty naive for either side of any of these issues to think that this is a place to win minds.
To Hubird:
I don’t want to have discussions with you Hubird, like we used to have before, not again, you are a good guy and there is no need for it. I’m sorry for that, I will probably read your points of view, maybe, fine, but will not get involved in endless conversations and answers to your posts, neither should you be too concerned by what I say, they are nothing but the words of a person that gets sad with what is happening in the world, that’s all there is. Please, don’t get my lack of answers to you as a lack of respect to your person, this is exactly what I don’t want to get into. I do not want to repeat a failure operation, because: “if you don’t want to get the same results, don’t do the same things, do something else”, I think it was Einstein who used to say so. To discuss aggressively is cheerless and useless, we end up angry against each other and the output contradicts your intended philosophy and mind as well, as far as I understand them. If we speak to each other openly about what we think life is and should be, and as I know we are starting from opposite places in the first place, it’s not going to work. It is difficult or even impossible for us to arrive to any kind of agreement about anything regarding how understanding life. It is evident that we have, in certain central areas and understandings, a truly inverse way of looking at live and understanding existence, we have even inversed values, and this is already a very strong statement! Our distance, philosophically speaking, it is the “abyss” itself, there is no possible way to understand each other in these kind of matters, we have already tried it and have failed. Remember what happened before, so you don’t get in anguish or anger. I know where you stand and you know where I stand too, fair enough, let it be some distance and respect in between. The only way to respect each other it is distance, so opposite we are. Look at that: one you “trust” governments (you even advice me to work for them…) but I distrust entirely governments, to the core of the bone and beyond…, WELL BEYOND.............…, and despite the fact that there are very good people down there serving sincerely mankind, I mean (in low level positions into some governments and countries), many of them do so because they are young and naïf people, good people yes, but they are idealists that want to change the world, until they get a little higher in the ladder and can see where they are standing up, once they have seen the dreadful hidden scene, they leave politics in disgust and desolation realizing everything is rotten to the bone and that they will never achieve any whatsoever change in the high levels of politics, or they end up like Martin Luther King. Now, if you go up in the power spheres you will find only evil, true evil beyond imagination and the New World Order organization behind it all with all their branches and smaller organizations spread in every single area of our lives, like the FDA itself, as an example! I state that the very core of the public rottenness in this world comes from these organizations directed and ruled by the New World Order. Now…, you don’t even consider it real, how could we even talk to each other trying to understand what the other is saying? You think it is a fantasy, so… end of the story, there is nothing else to share between us except music, gear and the so, but definitely, not this kind of things. So please, do not be disappointed if, getting into a long explanation and trying to use clever syllogisms I don’t follow you. I could, for instance, try to explain you what the meaning of what I have said is exactly, because I see you did not get the point, the spirit let say, but it is very tiresome, endless and as we have such a distance in codes, we cannot understand each other, the best is to leave it alone.
To Gary:
With you, on the contrary, I find always pleasure to talk to, because you are open minded and has the capacity to listen to people, not from your own fixed preconceptions, you actually try to understand what the other is telling you, all the time. In the other hand, I always learn something from you and your good natured spirit and interesting ideas, in all sort of topics.
I don’t think the end of the world is a real idea, it makes no sense, it may be our end, as you well state, or the end of our civilization, but not the end of the earth itself. And yes, the problem is now, of course…
It is not important what I say, I’m just sad to see all these things happening and powerless not to be able to change anything of such a big proportion, so I share my thoughts, perhaps in the search of some understanding of the world within myself, because new perspectives and ideas give me new avenues to flow, investigate and be aware of. I am not a pessimist or a depressed person who denies mankind, this not really my boat, I fight very hard my way to do this world something better, every day, every single day... These kinds of topics are not something you will talk just like that, with a costumer in the street. In this place there are always some interesting points that now and then open my mind, and perhaps, makes me carry on with some less weight under my shoulders… that is really the story behind this conversations.
Now, the wolf is crying loud and clear by itself, it doesn’t seem to need my help to exist...
If you listen at my voice crying loud the word “wolf”, it is because I already see it in front of me, but it is definitely NOT a joke I have build up to see you run in vain!
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@Nestor, sure, you're a good guy too, I mean it, why not?
I wasn't argueing, we've been there befor indeed.
I was wondering if you thought it would be new to us.
I mean, an interesting discussion is one thing, but such a call, or statement, or alarm, whatever, as you did...that's something, on a music forum, isn't it?
So that extra 'load' made me wonder if you thought etc.
I tend to take distance from that impression, I guess that's why.
You are right, you don't have to give me any answers.
I was just trying, to see what's possible
I regret you seem to restrict conversations or discussions to people on the same wave length...
The best ones, I guess, I had with Garyb tho
Thank you Hubird for your words, I appreciate your understanding.
It’s true, we are not arguing, but we should add the words “not yet” to the phrase, because if we go on and on, we will surely, so this is a good moment to not get ourselves in there and just stop.
I don’t restrict you to say what you want to say..., I will rather restrict myself.
Anyway, as I am rather closing my point of view here, I will do it with a word that could open up something even bigger, something that is THE bottom line of my concerns about the future of our world and the reason for which I believe we are in trouble, and this word is NIBIRU.
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man, don't even worry about that. if it's real, then fine. there's no avoiding what is to come. if it's not, then we'll be glad that we kept on living.
i will say this about such theories, they are all based on a couple of books by one man. that's fine, but that man's translations of ancient documents are different than every other human who has studied them and radically so. i'm not saying that he made everything up and that none of what he said was correct, but i also can't say that it is in any way correct, either. there is some evidence that human beings have believed in similar stories far back into the generations, so i won't discount the theory completely. human beings only take things that exist and rearrange them a bit. i haven't seen evidence of anything that is truly from nothing, or that is truly new. that alone would lend credence to a Nibiru or a Dark Star. to claim any hard knowledge about it is impossible. perhaps in the most secret of societies, they discuss such things, it would be a good anime or movie, or something.
Nibiru is like living on a Volcano(like Japan or Hawaii or Vesuvius). if it happens it's really bad, most likely, but if it doesn't happen, life goes on as always. a wise man prepares for disaster as best he can, and then he wings it.
You are talking about Zecharia Sitchin, a far cry dreamer that interpreted his studies the way he wanted to, a Hollywood kind of mind you could say. I understand you assume I have base my theory in his books, no, not at all, I would consider him a historian with a great imagination capable of writing very good science fiction plots based in a great knowledge on Sumerian language and some fake recreation in his mind of what the supposed Anunnaki civilization was. Definitely, not a serious contender to plunge into any grave studies or investigations on the subject of Nibiru, he is only a reference to the existence of Nibiru among the ancients, yes, but that’s all. He is the one who gave the unfortunate inspiration and idea to David Icke about the lizard thing. Dave is a sincere person, but this lizard thing screwed his entire carrier... Said that, the best contribution of Zecharia Sitchin to mankind was to farther our ignorance and subjectivity about the past. I would never base myself in such misapprehensions.
What I know comes from decades ago, it is death serious and it is information from absolutely key relevant people that know firsthand what is going on, well beyond any distraction, romanticism or delusional imagination, this is the foundation of all of my worries and considerations since then. This is real!
I think you are right about been cool facing up the problem, I follow you there, but…, what if the most powerful behind all this knew that we could save our lives if we prepare in advance but they don’t want us to prepare? What if they were not telling anything to anybody about Niviru, so we die? What if this event was been used by the eugenicists to farther their killings in a very easy massive way, just living us alone facing up a stellar disaster? Is it this the cause, perhaps, of so many astronomer killings that started to publicly talk about Nibiru? Why in the last few years so many high end bunkers have been created, and they are already hired by the richest, most instructed people on earth, is it just because of fear, or perhaps, elitist knowledge? Aren’t they supposed to be super well informed, and so, beyond the superstitions of uninformed minds, as to believe stupid things like the coming of a big planet to our solar system? And why is it this idea perceived as crazy or unreal, if we are surrounded by actually, millions of all sorts of celestial bodies? Is it perhaps, because we have been brainwashed through the media, very slowly, so we deny any such possibility? Real questions! Serious considerations!
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Nestor wrote:but…, what if the most powerful behind all this knew that we could save our lives if we prepare in advance but they don’t want us to prepare? What if they were not telling anything to anybody about Niviru, so we die? What if this event was been used by the eugenicists to farther their killings in a very easy massive way, just living us alone facing up a stellar disaster?
Is it perhaps, because we have been brainwashed through the media, very slowly, so we deny any such possibility? Real questions! Serious considerations!
You just love it eh, to think about mega disasters, secret master plans of bad people, the masses not understanding they are being indoctrinated, and you of course in the role of the one with the megaphone to warn everybody
Much pleasure with the 12th planet myth
Mega worldwide social riots brought through global economic breakdown, a police state in some cities and civil wars in others, the third world war and Nibiru, are definitely coming, yes, exactly. For the moment, it will look like a Zecharia Sitchin delusion, but just for a while, then you will be able to see these three things with your own eyes.
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