CopyProtectionViolations Errors

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Sat Nov 24, 2001 2:52 pm

On 2001-11-24 13:27, subhuman wrote:
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Cubase only puts the MIDI engine on the second CPU, all audio and audio generating plugins are still on one
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That's in normal mode. If 'Advanced Multi-Processing' Mode is enabled, Cubase will **dynamically spread VST over 2 CPU's**. For genuine (Steinberg and some others) VST fx and the VST mixer at least, ordinary or 'old' VST/VSTi and midi will remain on CPU one.

In ANY of the modes, multi CPU will bring great advantage (i'm just writing down my experience hé!). Even if the 'Adv.MultiCPU' is disabled, all VST will be on CPU2. Doesn't this leave CPU1 free for lots of other applets and stability?

I must say dual CPU makes you build bigger VST racks than anyone else. Maybe Cre@mware don't like CPU. Maybe they want DSP. And they're right. But CPU I can easily afford, another DSP card will be more difficult.

If the CopyProtectionViolationError pops up, I just close Pulsar and re-open again. 95% that it will load the second time.

GO DUAL!
GO DUAL!

atomic.

PS. Don't worry, Deutschland, I'll do some more Cre@mware investments soon

Oscillation · Post by **Oscillation** » Sun Nov 25, 2001 12:15 am

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Havoc · Post by **Havoc** » Sun Nov 25, 2001 6:08 am

Subhuman, you may be right about not needing a dual and pulsar, but that would be only if you did nothing else but using the pulsar. Now I don't spend a lot of time working with music. For me this pulsar is only used for recording, and messing around with sound while mixing. Finally it will only do loudspeaker filtering and io. Believe me, a dual is far more responsive than a (in MHz) faster machine.

Another thing to consider is that not everything is available for pulasr. There is far more stuff around for native processing than for pulsar. And then a dual makes a lot of sense. Even Apple is doing duals.....

As more and more audio programs are becoming dual aware, creamware will have to follow, sooner or later. I suspect later, but that is my opinion.

Now that pulsar does not load the cpu, that is not true if you just think a bit. That gui is not done by the dsp.

This pci error will never go away until creamware puts ram on the pulsar itself. I never understood why pulsarII had more dsp's instead of onboard ram. Also by storing it's samples in the main memory it is actually stealing memory access cycles from the cpu. This is one of the reasons why the problem is worse with duals.

Supersaw · Post by **Supersaw** » Sun Nov 25, 2001 12:24 pm

So it seems Nightmare.. oops sorry Creamware still have not sorted the dual cpu problem then. Typical Amateurs.
atomic and Oscillation you've got a point, why spend a $$fortune$$ on unreliable Creamware products when you could buy an extra CPU and a ton of soft synths etc.. guaranteed to do what it says it does.
For us dual users Creamware products are just one big joke and costly mistake.

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Sun Nov 25, 2001 4:59 pm

Cheers for the replies guys, first time there's people behind my ideas on dual!

do you all have 815 chipsets?
i got Acorp 6A815EPD -Intel 815EP chipset.

WinXP and (adv. multi-cpu) Cubase DO eat lots of cpu. Gonna check in Win2k now, I have dual boot 2k/XP with exact same setup.
But in 2K i get loads of CopyProtectionViolation Errors. MPS in 2k makes it almost impossible to run Pulsar.

valis · Post by **valis** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 6:23 am

I use an ANCIENT dual proc machine (p2-300 dual on an LX Supermicro P6-DLS). I've got dual processors (gasp) and scsi (gasp).

Now, I also get tons of copy protection errors. However, I've managed to get rid of ALL other problems aside from that.

First off, I start Pulsar.exe and bind it's cpu affinity to cpu 0. Supposedly you can do this from a batch file with something like "C:Pulsar3Pulsar.exe -cpu 0" but it won't show in taskmanager as it binds at the thread level rather than process level, so I generally set the affinity by right clicking process in taskman and setting.

Next, I start Nuendo (using vst fxand asio>pulsar) with a batchfile that has the following:
Echo off
Start /abovenormal C:Progra~1SteinbergNuendoNuendo.exe

Seems to work just fine after that, I've experimented with having Mutliproc enabled and disabled in Nuendo settings, but cpu affinity for Pulsar.exe seems to make dual cpu setting in nuendo a lot more stable.

Also, I originally tried a Promise Ultra-100 adaptor for my audio drives, but had HORRIBLE problems. My onboard 2940UW solved this with a 4gig UW drive for OS/Apps and a 36.7 10000rpm for Audio.

I still use my Promise for 2 maxtor ide's and all my data and samples when they're not in use.

I'm considering upgrading to an Athlon MP as i860 is WAAAY out of my price range.

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:47 am

Let me say it again: these CopyProtection errors are also happening on single processor systems, and seem to be related to ACPI. Creamware definitely knows about it. Use Standard mode for now if it drives you nuts until there is a fix, or MPS MultiProc if that's stable for you (isn't on our XP/dual).

There is nothing that Creamware is intentionally doing, contrary to some's opinion, to make their product not work with dual CPUs. As their first NT-based support was recent we can only expect further improvements, especially since XP was released a month after V3.01, I personally can't wait until Pulsar or SCOPE is more XP optimized, but all the basics are there and functioning and the ASIO latencies I'm getting are impressive, as is the stabiltiy of XP/3.01.

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 12:14 pm

valis · Post by **valis** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 2:06 pm

So you're saying you're using Standard PC with a Multiproc XP machine?

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 12:10 am

StandardPC as a suggestion when you're in trouble, yes. I don't use ACPI, I have MPS installed.

Standard PC doesn't get me CopyrightProtection Errors, but also reduces my CPU overhead TOO much!

Supersaw · Post by **Supersaw** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 5:40 am

Too make things even more confusing........

Pulsar V3 seems to work reliable with ACPI on Windows XP Pro with dual cpu's ( in my case PIII 1 gig cpus )but your PROCESSOR bus-speed has to run at 100Mhz and not at 133Mhz which my 1Ghz and the majority of Coppermine Run at. Im running my cpu(s) and memory bus speed @100Mhz FSB ( processor speed is locked at 750 Mhz @100 FSB no matter what i tweak in the bios/dip switches.) with Win XP Pro in ACPI mode and i have not stumbled upon a copy protection violation since the first initial run/install.
Setting the cpu bus speed at 133Mhz and Memory to 100Mhz doesnt work for me incidentally.

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 8:58 am

Supersaw: this was information that I reported a LONG time ago, so I don't see how it's all that confusing: XP simply implements ACPI better than 2K did, FAR better. And once again: use Standard Mode for now, if the CopyErrors bother you, however, I've seen dual running just fine in WinXP ACPI MultiProc. YMMV depending on your computer hardware.

Supersaw · Post by **Supersaw** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 10:42 am

sub - I remember having a discussion with yourself back in the CW Forums a few months ago, and i do not remember you bringing that up. It was probably in another thread i didnt read! All I can remember from our discussion was you and someother guy preaching on how fanatastic the P4 is etc,etc and that dual cpu's were crap.
Dont take it the wrong way your opinions our always welcome as i dont claim to know it all and any info/advice you give only betters my knowledge and understanding on Creamware products.

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 10:56 am

Man, please, do not twist my words, or I won't bother posting all the information in public forums to help you. I said that for AUDIO, that CURRENTLY dual cpu's didn't offer a very good price vs. performance advantage, and NOTHING more, but in fact that a P4 at the same price would give you a better and more solid system with your Creamware cards, and was attempting to explain why. Someone else was also reporting that the P4 was working extremely well and stable for him, and also in your "FACT DUAL CPUS" thread is actually where I told you how to make it run (in September I believe) the best with dual processors, it also includes a few people saying they have working dual systems with CW.

I'm done now for the day, you've frusterated me enough.

valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 10:44 pm

Subhuman, not to annoy you more

but i'm curious about using "Standard PC" on a multiproc system. Would this have the effect of disabling the support for the 2nd cpu in the HAL (vs. running "MPS Multiprocessor PC")?

Supersaw · Post by **Supersaw** » Sat Dec 01, 2001 12:02 am

valis - In order to have access to dual cpu use by your operating system and programs you either install your HAL in ACPI or MPS MultiProcessorPC. Standard PC Install will make your 2nd CPU Redundant and the machine will operate as if it were a single cpu system.

sub - Theres no need to get upset, i wasnt twisting your words only taking your advice in with a little bit of weary thats all!
Honestly man, i do not recall you mentioning a fix to my problems, but i do remember getting alot of STICK!!

Havoc · Post by **Havoc** » Sat Dec 01, 2001 11:14 am

Valis: indeed, binding pulsar to 1 cpu makes a big difference. It makes it possible to run some wave drivers and things like compressors and eq. However, using somthing that works with delays gives the PCI error. But when binding to 1 cpu, Sonar (demo) says the wdm devices are already in use or not compatible.

Whoever concerned: changing anything in the cset.ini as suggested in the "pci capacity error" thread gives then the "copy protection" error whatever module you want to load. Changed also latency settings, no difference.

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:31 pm

Hi all

just wanna say that my dual PIII runs soO0 sweet now. sometimes I still get the errors, but lately that's reduced to an acceptable level, dunno how or why. Maybe the new PulsarII card?

Still working on final 'cherry on the pie'-settings, I've nearly set everything up I always wanted.

I have max remote rontrol, routed from hardware AND software to any destination: Rebirth, Cubase, Pulsar devices,...
Bought another Pulsar, I now have 2PulsarI, PulsarII & LunaBox. All necessary connections, samplers/synths I/O's are in a template project, with PulsarMixer as master-spaghetti-mixer

18ASIO, 14analogI/O, one spare connection for Pulsar Synth.
Made some presets for PulsarMixer, so different songs will use the same basic project, and the presets will define wich the song it will be.
Saved Moonizer and some other (V.2.x) devices with remote control assigned, they won't have to be in the template project.

Hope I can start to do some real audio now

not being worried about system failures or other nerve-eating annoyances.

Have fun,

the atom.

Grusic · Post by **Grusic** » Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:35 pm

Hi all,

I'm going to be running a Pulsar I on a dual cpu Tyan Tiger MP system in a few days.

I've been seeing all the problems everyone has been having here with dual systems and I wanted to suggest something.

Microsoft makes a 2K/XP tool called the Interrupt-Affinity Filter which allows one to set processor affinity at the device driver level. Has anyone tried this? Perhaps it might help!

Regards,
Bill

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at0m · Post by **at0m** » Wed Dec 12, 2001 7:23 am

On 2001-12-11 20:35, Grusic wrote:
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Microsoft makes a 2K/XP tool called the Interrupt-Affinity Filter which allows one to set processor affinity at the device driver level. Has anyone tried this? Perhaps it might help!
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I posted a link on the next page...

Read on!

[ This Message was edited by: atomic on 2002-01-03 06:34 ]