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[quote from garyb:
the "no"s are nice.
who cleans up?

answer:
1. Cleaning up the stage areas takes place every day during a short pause in music at the end of the afternoon (so it's not really 24 h a day).
This is actually done by contracted festival visitors who earn their ticket this way.
2. at the entrance every person get a standard dirt bag.
Some festivals, like the Boom/Portugal, let you pay 5 euro for it, which you get back when returning a full bag when leaving the festival.
At Ozora people on the camp sites create central places where the bags are put together, to make it easy for the organisation to collect them after everyone has left the scene.
3. those festivals take place often in protected nature areas (like the Boom).
Anyway at the entrance every visitor gets a plastic sleeve with screw cap to put his stubs into for later trashing (!).
Believe it or not, but you'll hardly find stubs in the fields on the wide area, and especially not on the stages floors, as people tend to go barefoot.
For those without any mony: for ten filled sleeves you get a beer...
4. in general: Psy people have selfdiscipline: you won't see fields full of trapped plastic cups or any garbage.
At stages they collect bottles etc. in bags tightened at the construction elements.


[quote from garyb:
it's absolutely a money maker. it's a big money maker.

answer:
you're probably wrong.
Keep in mind in those typical festival areas is no electricity, nothing.
They build up the area during several months, witnessed by the small 'secret gardens', the small kitchen gardens, the dried mud sculptures, the often huge and complicated buildings from bambu elements, etc.
Imagine a team of dedicated volunteers, artists, construction professionals, etc. check the websites of you want, see addresses on the map above :-)


[quote from garyb:
you can be sure that there are those who are blessedly happy that the youth are burning out on drugs and mindlessness. too many people to pacify these days... on the other hand, i don't doubt for a minute that a festival like that is as fun as it can be, a super fun time. also, it has no autotune, except on samples, which means something to some people. i'm thinking that, aside from the dirt, there aren't many more fun musical experiences.

answer:
not sure what you're aiming at.
Psy festivals are not places of 'lost mindless youngsters who don't know how to deal with drugs', for that matter.


[quote from garyb:
:lol:
hubird, you're a typical deadhead, although the Grateful Dead had singing and they are now defunct. i bet i can use a typical Grateful Dead joke in this case(just changing the name of the band/style) .

what did the Psy festival camper say when the drugs wore off?
"gee, this music really sucks!"
:lol:

answer:
Rolling on the floor and laughing, really.
You tell this joke also to the ganja loving reggea musicions you're often recording in your studio?
Btw, never liked Gratefull Death when I was young...

I had a girlfriend with me, she didn't know anything about Psy music, let alone Psy festivals.
I can tell you, she was b l o w n a w a y by the music, the disciplined and gentle people, the way or presentation by the organisation, the soundsystem (always the best systems in the world, as Psy needs a ultratight subbass).

For an American it's probably hard to believe people do something with soul and love, and not for money.
On the other hand: didn't you have that famous music and arts festival in the desert, what's the name again?
Same story, just other music.
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dante wrote:I dont think its the synthetic instruments that move the cash, theres something else synthetic happening :o
or growing in the fields or woods...

tip:
In Australia in november there's a sun eclipse.
And where's a sun eclipse there's always a Psy party, check it out Dante:
http://www.goatrance.de/goabase/party/details/41525
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nope, it's definitely a Grateful Dead show. Deadheads have been operating like that since 1969...

btw- i didn't say "can't deal with drugs", i said "burning out on drugs". if you really think things like e are harmless, that's fine. you'll see. i'm not saying that no one should take their little druggie poos, i'm just saying that they're not harmless in the long run. experience will tell.

i'm not getting at anything, i'm just messing around and joking. i'm old.

yes, the promoters make more money and it's a nicer time for everyone, if people voluteer to do to dirty work. i'd imagine the shit and urine is carted away for money, though. i'd guess the free or nearly free food cost someone money too. so did the electricity and the soundsystem and the truss that the banners fly from. that's pretty freaking commercial and there's nothing wrong with that, except in a hippy's drug addled mind. i'm sure that ANY promoter of such a large event would tell you that it's better to have actual professionals in charge of excrement, sound, lighting, power and other things that MUST be correct for people to have a good time, as long as they have a reasonable budget for it.

one other btw- SURE i would tell that joke to a Reggae Musician i was recording. we would laugh, too. i don't record Reggae musicians as much as Folk, Pop and Jazz. i was doing a lot of HipHop, but it got stupid.

weren't we talking about the misuse of autorune?
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one last comment(or not),

one reason for things to be free is religion. volunteers always work hard for their favorite religion, even if there aren't any blood sacrifices specifically planned...
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I don’t think the damage of drugs should be measured only in terms of “physical damage”, there is also a “psychological” and a “spiritual” side to be measured too, which are also real and important as the physical side, particularly in a long term usage of them.

BTW: you are not that old! This is also not only physical, but psychological and spiritual. Part of being old, is what you decide to be, the posture you take facing up time I think.
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Love how this discussion is an enlightenment of autotune use :)

To keep in on topic, i will say that drug use has both positive and negative sides. Also, everything in the world is commercial, if the definition is that there is money involved, including every post in this forum.
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nah, it just means i've had some experiences. there are older and younger, it's no big deal. i'm not as old as some, but i'm older than others. personally, i'm glad to not be 25 anymore. i never have to do those things again because i already did them. :) old doesn't necessarily mean "broken", although these are things physically, mentally and spiritually, that probsbly won't be right ever again. i'm not worried about that. nothing remains the same forever.

i just said i was old because i've learned what those who were old when i was young were talking about. it's affected my sense of humor. :lol:
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garyb wrote:i'm glad to not be 25 anymore. i never have to do those things again because i already did them. :)


it's affected my sense of humor. :lol:
:lol:

I can understand that first hand...
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I’ve been listening to some Psy Trance tracks to know a little more what it is all about, and I am not surprised now that you can get 144 hours of music to build a festival, you could also get 1000 hours without much of a problem and go on for months… :wink: Some tracks can go on for 15 to 20 minutes with only minor EQ changes, some pad sweeps, a few FXs that come and go and a fixed rhythm that never changes from the beginning to the end of the track.

Definitely not my kind of music, I find it very boring because of its monotony, I could not stand even one hour of it. I found this music very mechanical, machine-like-music so to say. What I found interesting nevertheless were the pads, really cool patches.
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Nestor wrote: I found this music very mechanical, machine-like-music so to say.
wow...surprised? :lol:
If I would hear a track with a chords progression or -even worse- an harmonic modulation I'd go to the bar to get myself a drink and take a time-out...


Well, at least you don't need Autotune to get this music right...


I'm not trying to convince anyone to love Psy trance, I was only explaining the specific background of the festival home style and people's average attitude there - for what's worth my opinion.
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But will Psy Trance nullify...?
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dawman wrote:But will Psy Trance nullify...?
nullify what?

if it's about chords progression and harmonic modulation I can say I like bebob and a lot that came out of it, from Charlie Parker to free jazz and whatever.
However I hate fusion funk and jazz rock, having to listen to George Duke is a punishment to me.
From the past I'm somehow familiar with chords progression and modulation, I know how it works, but I definitely don't wanne hear it in dance music, ugh.
Still we are talking about taste, so there's no reason for anyone to feel failed.
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hubird wrote:I'm not trying to convince anyone to love Psy trance,
I know, don’t worry at all; it is a matter of taste, that’s it. Now, get me to listen to some real good jazz, and I will probably be the last one to leave the place, it has happened many times, my friends, even musicians, would look at me telling, hey, let eat something common, and I would not go even if hungry :lol:
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i like almost everything, well at least most of what is good in any given genre. some genres, i like more than "what is good" in that genre. don't make me think harder than that.

the "nullify" joke was pretty clever, but it was misunderstood. i'll explain. there was a big argument is mixing in different digital environments made any difference. the proof that none of it mattered to some was inverting tracks and watching them nullify. there was also another tempest in a teapot about bugs and wether a mixer nullified properly. those who don't like to hear the sound, but like to measure it care little for vintage audio gear. but that's a different story....

asking if it nullified is the ultimate wiseacre crack. it's what makes the other kids in the classroom(like me) giggle.

this message is autotune free. no mangling here...
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garyb wrote: the "nullify" joke was pretty clever, but it was misunderstood. i'll explain. there was a big argument is mixing in different digital environments made any difference. the proof that none of it mattered to some was inverting tracks and watching them nullify. there was also another tempest in a teapot about bugs and wether a mixer nullified properly. those who don't like to hear the sound, but like to measure it care little for vintage audio gear. but that's a different story....

asking if it nullified is the ultimate wiseacre crack. it's what makes the other kids in the classroom(like me) giggle.

this message is autotune free. no mangling here...
Yeah, I remember that Planetz episode, I was actively involved, haha....don't remember however the term nullify in this context.

You may giggle by unbelieve, but you don't know, isn't it?

Listen, I'm answering mainly to your questions.
You seem to feel sorry for Kensuguru for hijacking this thread, but it's mainly you who keeps it going, isn't it?

When I take the trouble to answer your questions you as the gigling unbelieving kid every time come with a totally different thing ignoring the former disprove of your suggestions.
First it's about commercialism, I tell you about door policy, prices etc., quite a list.
Those no's are nice you said, because Nestor preceded you, but the next question 'qho cleans up' shows just unbelieve.
I told you the way they handle it, and you ignore it.
Instead you, out of the blue, start a vague cynical antidrugs parade to blacken the thing.
And after all, if nothing works, you are the one to explain the subtle message of unbelieve by Jimmy when arguments are exhausted.

You know, I like it, you give me the platform to tell about the Psy scene.
I don't have the illusion to convince giggling unbelieving kids, so go on.
The world is bigger than you may think however.
Come to Europe once and try it by yourself I'd say, you won't regret.
Or visit that world-famous desert festival in your own neighborhood, d*mn what was the name again, you must know it.
It has the same spirit and motives.
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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... VD0xcAqYIw

It is lots of fun, I even took my son there when he was 15, his modesty was shocked at the Nude people, and just radical expression on display.
We enjoyed oursleves, but my kid is rooted in non vocalized, un auto tuned, organizing of sounds, his description actually.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... oG1oOegXGA

He likes this one the best, and I said he was underaged and needed me to be with him. I made it a drag for him, but this year he goes with his friends, and will not be allowed to get into a vehicle with anyone that has dyalated eyes or has been drinking.
This does happen, and he always calls me, and hid freinds parents thank me. His one friend has a single mother who is smoking hot, so this extra trip is never a problem. She makes a great Margatia using Patron too.... :D

Did I mention he has the 300 dollar software I bought for Auto tuning, and out grew it in 2 years.
Well that's kids for ya'.
Our next outing will be where we sit in my friends boat and watch the stage facing the lake where the Shakespeare Festival happens at Lake Tahoe.
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Nestor, there's a lot about psy trance that's not necessarily in the music. I think the whole subculture that surrounds it gives it definition. Also, there are particular ways of listening to trance, esp psytrance/goa. (not just drugs) It's much less about harmony and content in terms of notes but more of evolving textures and "overall" dynamics.

If you listen to enough, you'll be able to spot the "good" ones. Problem is that there are more bad ones than good ones, so if you listen to a random mixture, you may be just hitting the bad ones. But anyway, it's a culture, and it takes a bit of persistence to learn its ways. It's strange, I don't know why, but I happen to like psytrance. I don't really get it, and it's among the few genres I don't compose in, but I like listening to it. It's a sensation in the ear sort of thing for me.
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I have been in Europe for long enough to have a fair judgment of it (about 20 something years), and I can tell that I love the fact that in these kind of festivals and gatherings of whatever kind of music people is calm, friendly, and is rare to find an act of violence or robbery. People tend to be careful and communitarian respecting each other pretty much in general, even if you are the strangest of beings, you will have your place there as long as you are not bad to others, if you break the rules, you are out.

Now, to say that Americans cannot understand a “no commercial act” it is saying too much. There are many Americans that go as far as working very hard for human rights, health and other great things around the world that live in very poor conditions willingly, and they don’t care, that demonstrates they are not necessarily materialistic. I’m talking about thousands of them.

Music for me is a “language” above all, as my motto says: “*MUSIC* The most Powerful Language in the world! *INDEED*”. If music is a language, so every time you hear music you are hearing something being said but without words, without intellect. That means that when you create music too, you are talking to the world, you are saying something. By our music likes and dislikes we can certainly know a lot about someone, he will be related to the atmosphere of the music he loves most.

Hubird says this: “The world is bigger than you may think”, I would like to take this phrase and make it as broader as it can possibly be, giving it a meaning not only related to music and cultures, but all human experiences and their “Raison d'être”. Life really is big!

Now, if music is a language, Latino Reggaeton music must say something really disturbing to my ears because I cannot stand it, I really detest it, and everything related like its fashion, ideas, expressions, dance, everything is horrible to me..
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kensuguro wrote:Nestor, there's a lot about psy trance that's not necessarily in the music. I think the whole subculture that surrounds it gives it definition. Also, there are particular ways of listening to trance, esp psytrance/goa. (not just drugs) It's much less about harmony and content in terms of notes but more of evolving textures and "overall" dynamics.

If you listen to enough, you'll be able to spot the "good" ones. Problem is that there are more bad ones than good ones, so if you listen to a random mixture, you may be just hitting the bad ones. But anyway, it's a culture, and it takes a bit of persistence to learn its ways. It's strange, I don't know why, but I happen to like psytrance. I don't really get it, and it's among the few genres I don't compose in, but I like listening to it. It's a sensation in the ear sort of thing for me.
I have not listened much to it. I am sure that there must be among so much music something I would eventually like. What happens is that having at your hands music that drives you crazy of pleasure and enjoyment, well, you will rarely reach for something which is just a little tickler in your stomach. I listen to many kind of called “unpopular music” like world music which I like very much: Arab, Indi, African, Folk music, etc., wonderful stuff, like Omar Faruk for instance, what a musicianship! If you don’t know him, please get to listen to this super musician, absolutely recommended. Then I listen to orchestral music, among them classical music. The problem with classical music is “time”, so it is a bit more demanding.

What I will not do again, is forcing myself to like something I don't like but can undertand very well in the first place. Remember when I did the album called “Acoustic Paradise” :P for a guy here in the Z, from London, called Roberto? He duplicated my album making 100 copies of it, and then distributed to the London underground dance boxes in the city, the album was accepted but people would wonder what this jazz-trance kind of music was. Well, many here were after me because I was into Fusion and most were into Trance. :lol: They said that I did not appreciate Trance music, so I decided to listen to some of it and then try doing it myself. I did, then Paul Martin said something really cool about it: “It is like Weather Report having fun”, :lol: that was really hilarious for me. He was saying, “No, you are not succeeding at doing Trance at all, this is just Fusion music disguised as being Trance music, go away”. When I was very young, I would be open to anything because I didn’t know what I wanted, but today I know what I want in every detail, exactly I could say when it comes to music composing and the kind of music and what to listen at, and most importantly, I know the all important *WHY*, but trying to explain it is like trying to explain which the meaning o life is.

BTW: I am tempted to upload all those old tracks, I will when I have some spare time, just to have fun with them, it's going to be interesting.
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