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Re: 64 Bit Scope Drivers

Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:23 pm
by dawman
astroman wrote: Open Source isn't my cup of tea, but I wouldn't deny a Linux based 'custom OS' approach may be the best possible choice to performance and reliability.
But I truely mean custom, not that faking stuff most distributions are about ;)
Is this maybe why the Linux custom O.S. used on the Muse Receptors allows so many more plugs than Mac or PC O.S.'s ?
It is a computer afterall, and it uses the AMD for it's more efficient design, meaning that most CPU's waste resources tp get the job done, even though AMD also does that, it needs less MHz to perform the same tasks.

I would love an entire live rig dedicated to audio, instead of taking leftover scraps from gamer/photoshop based O.S.'s.

Re: 64 Bit Scope Drivers

Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:24 pm
by valis
XITE-1/4LIVE wrote:
astroman wrote: Open Source isn't my cup of tea, but I wouldn't deny a Linux based 'custom OS' approach may be the best possible choice to performance and reliability.
But I truely mean custom, not that faking stuff most distributions are about ;)
Is this maybe why the Linux custom O.S. used on the Muse Receptors allows so many more plugs than Mac or PC O.S.'s ?
It is a computer afterall, and it uses the AMD for it's more efficient design, meaning that most CPU's waste resources tp get the job done, even though AMD also does that, it needs less MHz to perform the same tasks.

I would love an entire live rig dedicated to audio, instead of taking leftover scraps from gamer/photoshop based O.S.'s.
AMD no longer has the IPC (instructions per clock cycle) crown the way they did during the p4 era. Core & Core2 cpu's are quite efficient, though during those generations AMD could still claim their integration of memory controller and resulting more efficient memory transfers. However you'll note that this didn't grant them the performance crown. It seems to most that their purchase of ATI has cost them a bit in terms of ability to fund R&D, their last 2 generations of cpu's have either gotten really bad press for bugs (TLB bug which the i7 actually has now too!) or their lack of quad-core options (cores are the new 'megahertz').

Intel purposefully delayed integrating their own memory controller as long as possible to extend the arc of performance of their cpu's (they could have moved to a similar design years ago, but doing it now made it much easier to show continued performance improvements that drive sales). Intel gained enough performance back moving away from the p4/netburst core's deep pipeline design, and then through using additional die space (freed up via process shrinks) to add in tons of cache and multiple cores faster than AMD. It's only now as we're closing on 6 cores that Intel has opted to do the integrated memory controller in i7, as the number of cores has passed what a typical gamer/home/office user can utilize with current software. Ie, performance gain for gamers & 'average' users is peaking currently with just 4-6 cores, and in the long run 12-16 cores is probably about the extent of what typical user software will be able to ultimately take advantage of with currently known methods of optimizing for SMP/SMT in coding. So debuting their integrated memory controller at this time allows them to show a big jump in benchmarks once again, almost 'for free' as all they're really doing is catching up to tech AMD has been flaunting for several years now (and simplifying board design a bit to boot).

Anyway your idea of a custom music OS isn't a bad one, and there already several linux distros that promise this. I think OSX is actually not horrible at this, although their updates do have a tendency to occasionally cause problems. All the more reason to not update a production/stage machine willy nilly... Vista pays more attention to gaming, catching up on 'eye candy' and DRM subsystems than it does professional users of either Photoshop or Audio software. I use Photoshop figuratively, but moving the UI layer out to user mode in Vista has resulted in more sluggish UI performance for very demanding graphical apps, especially high end 3d & effects/compositing applications. This has just resulted in studios moving even further into linux on the workstation desktop...

Re: 64 Bit Scope Drivers

Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:14 pm
by braincell
On a less technical level, according to Steinberg, having more RAM benefits complex projects. It is only possible to have more than 4 gigs of RAM with a 64bit OS. My projects are increasingly complex.