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Web 2.0 is often used to mean 'user created/submitted/collaborative content' versus the "web 1.0" method of only pushing content to end users. In that sense gary b was correct. Web 2.0 also refers to such ideas as 'the internet as a platform for applications' and more, but such is the nature of trendy marketroid terms...

ok.


if you want to beleive marketing promises over me, then of course, that's your right. there's no particular reason to believe me, but you might want to do more research anyway.

thank you.

Web 2.0 has nothing to do with industry. You need to look it up. You don't know what you are talking about. You really don't. It doesn't have anything to do with Internet 2 either and there is no such thing as "Web 2.0 compliant" Gary. Web 2.0 is just a general term.

braincell wrote:Web 2.0 has nothing to do with industry. You need to look it up. You don't know what you are talking about. You really don't. It doesn't have anything to do with Internet 2 either and there is no such thing as "Web 2.0 compliant" Gary. Web 2.0 is just a general term.

Then tell those in the industry and FCC to stop confusing the two (not that that is saying much ).

Greg

here's the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0

what a bunch of gobblety gook and marketing hype b$. when that type of language is used, one can be sure that there are bad intentions. why do they call it a net?..

braincell, just wait. soon you can just be jacked into the system DIRECTLY through your symbiote neural implant(wirelessly) and then you won't need to be human any more, but you will be on the cutting edge! won't that be great?

...the predecessor to the Borg Collective [tm]?

I wonder if I should install the chrome blocker plugin for my site .....

This PlugIn (...ChromeBlocker... inspired by the work of ) Elias Schwerdtfeger (http://www.tamagothi.de/). It Allows you to block Googles Chrome Browser. If you want to customise the output of the blockmassage, you can edit the "chromeblocker_message.php" file, (..........) . If you will ask now, why this PlugIn was written, you can find enough information on the internet about Google, Data-Collecting, Privacy and so on and why we think, this piece of software named Chrome is a data collection engine Google calls a "Browser".

Don't overlook the fact that a multithreaded browser benefits the god of the 'upgrade cycle'. No longer can generic tech magazines & sites say "...but for a typical pc user who only browses the web and does email these cpus/machines are unnecessary..."

At least in Google's case they're falling on the side of adhering to the standards compliance at least to the extent that the webkit codebase enables it, instead of taking webkit and attempting to subvert standards (as MS did when they based IE on Spyglass's Mosaic).

Personally I'd rather see still MORE browsers on the market (as long as they're relatively complaint to w3c standards) as it would devalue both MS's and Google's efforts. There are already several browsers built on top of Mozilla's codebase for Firefox (though most are gimmicky like Flock) and several other apps that use the XULRunner codebase (Songbird, Miro's player etc). Perhaps that would make the issue of what browser/OS you use to 'browse the web' (http) so irrelevent that standards would be harder to subvert & privacy issues would be spread out & lessened by a flattening effect.

Soon there will be a multitude of handheld 'browsing' devices on the market as well based largely on webkit... (Apple with the iPhone and google's upcoming 'Android'), WinCE & Win Mobile 6 based devices with the reduced IE, and browsers that use Opera (soon to be integrated with Nvidia ARM based devices). Since most non-technical users that I know seem to be happy ditching the desktop for a laptop or shared computer, and are moving more & more to handheld devices that do everything (though not well), there's a new browser war on the horizon...

valis wrote: Personally I'd rather see still MORE browsers on the market

I agree with this. Some people don't like change. They are "conservatives". We must fight them with every fiber of our being.

One problem with multiple browsers is for web designers. We like our sites to look the same on any browser. It becomes increasingly important to tweak the code. Here is a tool which lets you see what your website will look like in many different browsers:

http://browsershots.org/

yes, braincell.

progress is important. especially in regards to implanting symbiotes in people's heads to "correct" their backwards independant thinking!

consume onward!!!

Progress towards http replacing 'the internet/network'? Some isps definitely seem to be leaning this direction...

Progress towards the Eternal September becoming even more eternal?

Amazing that this thread hasn't died...

Btw the best method I've found for cross browser testing is 3-4 computers with 1 dedicated screen each, and bome's midi translator classic (postcardware) running on each 'client' pc set to convert one of my foot pedals (connected to main daw, retransmitted to all machines via MIDI-OX) from CC1 or whatever it is to kepress F5. With bome's minimized to tasktray and the focus being given to the right browser on each machine I can keep coding and just press the foot pedal to update each browser. I typicall have 1 Mac (old imac) running safari, old Xeon box to my left running IE7, Firefox on the main pc (running on 2nd window, alt-tab to give focus just before hitting foot pedal) and Opera or IE6 on the laptop to my right. Opera is rarely an issue, IE6 is much more common.

The easiest way to get multiple versions of IE onto a single machine for testing is to use the MS Virtual PC distributions MS has setup for IE5, IE6, IE7 & IE8 beta. Firefox 2 & 3 will happily install alongside each other, as will various versions of Opera. Lynx can be had as a Firefox plugin (or used for an ssh connection to a shell somewhere), and I have konquerer running on the debian box in the corner if I really want to see if it differs from webkit. And, as is relevant to this thread, Chrome now offers windows webkit testing (along with Safari 3.1 for windows).

Incidentally, bome's midi translator pro runs on my primary PC but since you can't have it running on more than 1 PC at a time without additional licenses the classic versions works just fine. I do believe there's a playback version as well that I could technically use across all machines (if I made the presets in Pro) but in the end the nice thing to note is that I'm able to use his tools to utilize my midi controls lying around when not doing music. A huge boost in productivity as well as a nice way to utilize gear that would go unused when not doing music (foot pedal enables microphone in gaming, drum pad controller on my right is often used for certain actions in my 3d application, etc).

One for garyb:

PC World Au: Google claims license to user content in multiple products

of course they do!

in the new fuedalism, the overlords own everything the serfs see, think and do.....

the only thing that's disappointing is that one would think that the europeans would already be hip to this kind of thinking and would oppose it with every fiber of their beings after the horrror of the middle ages, but i guess since nobody can actually remember those days they seem more like a fantasy story than the coming reality...

your paranoia doesn't matter when you're a serf. staying alive is trouble enough.

paranoia is something those with too much time debate.

you know, speaking of paranoia, here in the USA the government is using intelligence operatives to infiltrate message boards and spread disinfo(well, the paranoia is related to the FACT of the operatives). paranoia is a good thing. runaway paranoia is bad. it's like pain. pain is GOOD in that it gives vital information needed to protect the body. continuous pain from dmaged nerves or psyche is dibilitating...

Ubuntu users are now confronted with an EULA the first time they launch Firefox...ie, firefox is not "free as in speech" but a trademark registered to the Mozilla corporation (another one for garyb)

BTW Guys,

I have to type in all of my entries now as when I enter the letter " P " I don't get my choice but rather the choices of popularity.

Is this bull shit because I won't download Chrome?

A way to punish me for not being serflike?

I learned a long time ago w/ Gigastudio 3, Cubase 12.1, Syncrosoft and others. Free updates are something I loathe now.

But I never asked for this Chrome bull shit and could care less. The saved speed that a dual core CPU can achieve is lost as I have to type in every little entry now?

I wonder if China has abliged to this, or rather invented it.

How do I get back my older methods of googling? Or is it gone with the wind?


Thanks,

Yeah well.... I know people who use hotmail, never visit boards such as this and get all their news from television. I feel sorry for them. You don't have to progress if you don't want to. I have 4 browsers and they all serve a purpose depending on what I'm doing. For instance Seamonkey is a great IRC client or sometimes sites won't stream well, then I open IE and they work fine. I'm into the free updates, it's better than the alternative which is paying! You pay for cable tv I am will to bet and 99% of it is crap or reruns. The ads alone should pay for it but they are greedy bastards. Now that broadcast tv has gone digital there are many more free stations and they are higher quality than a lot of cable but I bet not many people will watch it. They want to pay a lot. They are used to it and they are idiots.