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Gary, thanks for the healthy discussions


OK, first of all i would like to make one thing clear: I have NEVER defended these guys/woman (if you think so, please enlighten/quote me). Its probably just that i interpet the issue from another angle. but i like c ontext; i could rip a five-liner from orwell anytime, and if the reader hadn't read the book i could make it soun pretty scary as a "plan".

I have never put muchattention to the "bildenberg connection" i admit (the crown prince of norway married a single mother crfack whore). But i find your way of argument to be a rather self-destructive, mystification and enpowering way of argument. I mean, there IS a long way from the unhealthy commersialisation we have at this moment (halliburton/iraq etc), but to mysstify this into some holy grail secret hocuspocuss stuff ending in a matrix-like power pack is just dumbening down the debate.

Commercial powers have too much power. most of us know that. rich people stick together, as people in need do. its only more vulgar.

So i say fuck all the sensasionalist jibberish, say it for what it actually is, without putting too much revenue-generating marketing for moneymilking cunts in it, elect a proper president (and if that is "not possible", it should be more of an issue than americans not being able to have a colt in their linning).

people will allways strive for power and territory. just ask Cartman.

We all know, the rulers thought is the ruling thought.

next to nothing wrote:Gary, thanks for the healthy discussions


OK, first of all i would like to make one thing clear: I have NEVER defended these guys/woman (if you think so, please enlighten/quote me). Its probably just that i interpet the issue from another angle. but i like c ontext; i could rip a five-liner from orwell anytime, and if the reader hadn't read the book i could make it soun pretty scary as a "plan".

I have never put muchattention to the "bildenberg connection" i admit (the crown prince of norway married a single mother crfack whore). But i find your way of argument to be a rather self-destructive, mystification and enpowering way of argument. I mean, there IS a long way from the unhealthy commersialisation we have at this moment (halliburton/iraq etc), but to mysstify this into some holy grail secret hocuspocuss stuff ending in a matrix-like power pack is just dumbening down the debate.

Commercial powers have too much power. most of us know that. rich people stick together, as people in need do. its only more vulgar.

So i say fuck all the sensasionalist jibberish, say it for what it actually is, without putting too much revenue-generating marketing for moneymilking cunts in it, elect a proper president (and if that is "not possible", it should be more of an issue than americans not being able to have a colt in their linning).

people will allways strive for power and territory. just ask Cartman.

We all know, the rulers thought is the ruling thought.

If the facts themselves are considered sensationalism, then it can also be considered denial to not even consider the possibility that things are not as they seem on the surface.

And no, it's not possible to elect a real president (lower case) anymore in the US, so sorry - until all the electronic voting machines and national party ownership of tabulation systems go away, then it won't happen.

Lastly, having a colt in our lining is one issue that none of the current Presidential candidates supports, so the gun-grabbing liberals out there will be happy.

Idealism will not resolve this current situation.

Greg

p.s. and do some research on who owns Halliburton, and then check the b'berger attendance list, and then check who the individuals were to drove the policy that drug us into Iraq. The truth will reveal itself, and it won't be 'sensationalized'.

see, George Orwell was, as are most of these high level scifi writers, an insider. check his and his family's history. the same for Huxley and H. G. Wells and Asimov(i've loved all their writings, of course!). there's even an official term for the kind of writing they do. it's called "predictive programming"(really!) and it's part of the way the herd functions. if you google the term, you'll get conspiracy sites, but that's because it really is the academic term for a part of the culturing process in a technological society. it's through these types of processes that the herd doesn't get spooked by the changes that the planners have in mind, because through predictive programming, one sees a "natural evolution" that is inexorable and systematic. "of COURSE things had to turn out this way!"

this artificial reality seems so normal to people, that they bristle with rage(a protective stance) at the idea that there is a con* involved, hence the matrix comparison(which as a movie is predictive programming itself. not so much for the reality is that world, but the idea of it....).

anyway, mr next to nothing, thank YOU for the discussions!

*p.s. a con game is a kings game. the king is the shepherd of the flock. he carries a rod or staff, more precisely a cane, which is a staff with a hook on it, a crook. kings come from the ling of Cain(through Nimrod) and so you have:

Cain
King
Konig
Kahn
Cane
Crook
Con
and so it is....

astroman wrote: if you look carefully, you'd hardly find any human action which is not related to a much older pattern that evolution developed even before this race existed.

mountain climbing, jet travel, electric razors, space flight, computer simulation of reality.....

One thing, I often think of, when I read these threa(d/t)s is: Greed breeds greed. Power brings desire for more power. Greed and power desire goes hand in hand. But for "me" to have more, "you" need to have less.

And in a game as the one talked about in this thread, "we" (the pessants) already have next to nothing. So, if "I" want more, and "I" am of great power, then I need somebody else with great power to have less - othervice it does not really count.

So much peace within such a presumeably powerful organisation is just not likely to me. Powerstruggles and secret games between the members are, however, very likely to me.


Bonus question for Gary: You might have heard of Mærsk. He is the richest man in Denmark - and a very old one too. I belive he runs the biggest shipping company of the world. As I recall it, his father build it up from scratch. What would his connection to the thing be? His name does not appear on the list. I mean, the guy does have a quite powerful position within world trade of goods.

Immanuel wrote: Bonus question for Gary: You might have heard of Mærsk. He is the richest man in Denmark - and a very old one too. I belive he runs the biggest shipping company of the world. As I recall it, his father build it up from scratch. What would his connection to the thing be? His name does not appear on the list. I mean, the guy does have a quite powerful position within world trade of goods.

yes, i'm aware of him. i live near the major deep water port in southern California, long Beach/Los Angeles and 25-30% of the containers bear his name.

from scratch? maybe. usually, there is some family history of money.

it's not just that these people are rich. money is not the thing, it's a carrot and whip. many have much money, but there are those with less on the books that are more powerful. remember, someone makes, manages and prints the money, and then distributes it. hey, the old guy's rich! nice for him. i'm sure he does his part. i'm sure he's a good dancing partner when he needs to be.

Bilderberg is rather creme de la creme. after these meetings will come events like the Bohemian Club's Cremation of Care, where the word will be passed on and then the policies will filter down to us via the various compartmentalized businesses and officials. direct control isn't required. scientific and systematic control is much more effective and less conspicuous.

not all rich people are in agreement either. and certainly, not all are "bad", though the system that makes them rich IS. this certain, particular mafia has a fine stranglehold on the main rackets, however.




stardust, part of the solution is awareness of the actual situation. nothing can be done until many and many more see the sight. this is the biggest fear of folks like the bilderbergers, that their machinations might be public. why do you think they meet in secret? there is no possible help from some "hero" or "savior", however. any such "hero" who took the mantle of power in the present situation would be corrupted by the system of power itself. it's designed that way. still, it's the common folk whose power is harnessed to create this system that wishes to kill them, and it's the common folk who can put a stop to it. this makes the powerful shake in their boots and makes them hire security, not just to protect them from other criminals, but even more so, to protect from those with a true beef. guys like David Rockefellor have nightmares about the rabble and that's a big part of the reason that wars happen and deadly virii exist and cancer's gone from 1 in 33 to 1 in 3 and so on. i notice you too want to defend that which neither belongs to you, nor is there for your benefit....it's scary to think of life without the loving care of these Gods On Earth, huh?

Hi hi hi,

this is almost like Jehova's witnesses. Stardust, you need to get educated and study the "good theory" with the ones that already "know", and you will be delivered
And hey, how convenient, you can do-it-all online

sorry Gary, just couldn't resist it...
but on a more serious note, yes, i do believe there is a conspiracy- one of greed and stupidity, and we all have to deal with it on a very personal uncomfortable kitchen-sink level. Calling "them" responsible for your misery ain't gonna do sh@te...

IMHO, of course

garyb wrote:

astroman wrote: if you look carefully, you'd hardly find any human action which is not related to a much older pattern that evolution developed even before this race existed.

mountain climbing, jet travel, electric razors, space flight, computer simulation of reality.....

well, my thoughts were rather about the interactional part, but then as a sidenote...

goats are extremely talented climbers, capricorns even use their horns as an 'artificial' help to get over difficult places

jet propulsion is an invention of the octopus
birds take advantage of high altitude airstreams and travel even between the poles on a regular schedule - or were it whales in the sea (?)
the dragonfly outperforms any human designed flight device as it just needs 4 wings for movement in arbitrary directions.

encapsulated organism have the potential to survive 'real spaceflights' if thrown up by volcano eruptions with enough energy to leave the gravitational field of planet earth
electric razors are pointless anyway...

computer simulation of reality is a pretty lame approach compared to biochemical information density as present in (any!) nervous system.
but the most fascinating picture I ever saw was a microscope shot showng protozoa fighting bacteria by protein rockets

back to politics

garyb wrote:see, George Orwell was, as are most of these high level scifi writers, an insider. check his and his family's history. the same for Huxley and H. G. Wells and Asimov(i've loved all their writings, of course!). there's even an official term for the kind of writing they do. it's called "predictive programming"(really!) and it's part of the way the herd functions. ...

I never understood why Kubricks 'Full Metal Jacket' was declared an anti-war movie - imho it's awefully promotional... or should it just be considered 'macabre'

cheers, Tom

all in all, the questions are:
Who's power do you live by?
What is real to you?
Who's life are you living?

Greg

siriusbliss wrote:all in all, the questions are:
Who's power do you live by?
What is real to you?
Who's life are you living?

People dont know WHY they do certain things... it just "happens" right ?

so I would add the questions:
- Who has the power to change your behaviour without you being aware of it
- How can one change behaviour of people without them knowing about it
- Why dont we know about it at the moment we act out our stupidity

these things are carefully and scientifically worked out. it's easy to change behavior without one knowing. see Pavlov...

the CIA, KGB and other government agencies have done considerable research on behavior modification and even splitting a person's personality so that the person doesn't know about his alter ego(see Eyes Wide Shut and Manchurian Candidate for conceptualizations)....


astro-absolutely, man doesn't make things up, he adapts what is already here, i agree. i was speaking behaviorly. those behaviors i mentioned are counter to an individual's survival in a way that is much more than instinct. men can learn behaviors that are very unnatural(except to men). if you don't like the word, "unnatural", let's just say that men's behavior can be perverted....
btw- Kubrick's neighborhood(where he lived) is a very interesting one. 2001 and 2010 are quite occult. speaking of Eyes Wide Shut, it is actually very near to autobiographical(at least in being experiences he was aquainted with). the Elite DO pratice such rituals. no wonder he's dead.

Mike, you can't really "do it all online". info is online, but one needs to check the original sources. what i'm typing about is not a theory. i'm going by these guy's own words and actions. interesting that you too defend the artificial reality. yes, greed and ignorance are the cultivated qualities that allow the masses to be manipulated, but you can't blame the garden for what grows. you must blame the gardener. you can't blame the builder for following the plans, you must blame the Architect. hmmm, back to names from the Matrix....Architect, Merovingian, Squiddies.... it's the greatest slight of hand trick ever, to make the victims hate and destroy themselves for being victims....

even more interesting, that withh all the evidence right in people's faces, they'd rather chant magical words that they don't understand rather than face the horrible reality of their own existance...fairy tales of concsiousness are more real than life itself....

aaah the smell of rhetoric in the morning. smells like....(sorry folks. pooping is the end result of eating)

theres a difference between "defending them" and disagreeing with you, Gary. I agree that money is power and cooperations run most of whats going on around us, and i dislike it. But i find the gap between that and some of your points of view to be quite big. its not a "with us or with the terrorists" issue (cheap bush analogy, i know).

next to nothing wrote:theres a difference between "defending them" and disagreeing with you, Gary. I agree that money is power and cooperations run most of whats going on around us, and i dislike it. But i find the gap between that and some of your points of view to be quite big. its not a "with us or with the terrorists" issue (cheap bush analogy, i know).

money is nothing to those that print it. money is everything to the rabble....

garyb wrote:

next to nothing wrote:theres a difference between "defending them" and disagreeing with you, Gary. I agree that money is power and cooperations run most of whats going on around us, and i dislike it. But i find the gap between that and some of your points of view to be quite big. its not a "with us or with the terrorists" issue (cheap bush analogy, i know).

money is nothing to those that print it. money is everything to the rabble....

rabble-rousers we be

so, Gary, what are we down to with all this? Between the C.O.R., CFR, FED, Vatican, global mafias, etc. etc. - you think we're down to maybe 5 families running the planet?

The largest land-owner in the US, is still the Queen, yes, indeed...

Corporations are just economic puppets anyways. Essentially worth very little.

So, the question remains - who really runs things?


Greg

maybe 5 families and only a few principle members thereof(classical "illuminati" speaks of 12 families)...

the same people own the holding companies that control the shares of the multinationals and the queens of England and the Netherlands(siblings) own most of that.


check the writings of Thomas Malthus, H.G. Wells(his non-fiction!), Thomas Galton, Aldous Huxley(non-fiction works by the founder of Tavistock and brother of the founder of UNESCO and MI5/6), Edward Bernays and Carrol Quigley. it's easy to say that one disagrees without even checking the source material.

next to nothing wrote:...cooperations run most of whats going on around us...

that is so true...but there are also the nestorations

...sorry for OT, couldn't resist

garyb wrote:maybe 5 families and only a few principle members thereof(classical "illuminati" speaks of 12 families)...

the same people own the holding companies that control the shares of the multinationals and the queens of England and the Netherlands(siblings) own most of that.


check the writings of Thomas Malthus, H.G. Wells(his non-fiction!), Thomas Galton, Aldous Huxley(non-fiction works by the founder of Tavistock and brother of the founder of UNESCO and MI5/6), Edward Bernays and Carrol Quigley. it's easy to say that one disagrees without even checking the source material.

I've read Malthus and Huxley.
Crazy stuff...

Corporations are slaves.

Greg

yes, highly paid billionaire servants are still servants.

someones own the money SYSTEM, and their identity while hidden, is not a secret...most of the time, it's easier to see them through their servant's actions than directly.

so how is Intel involved in this? Its being pushed pretty hard on this forum

next to nothing wrote:so how is Intel involved in this? Its being pushed pretty hard on this forum

Take a look at their Board of Directors, and who major shareholders are, and which bank holds their accounts, and work your way up the chain, and you'll see.

I use Intel stuff, but I also worked their for 3 years - EVIL company - VERY poor working environment (business wise).

Yes, otherwise a funny statement that can be taken seriously.

Greg