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stardust wrote:Facts are very subjectiive in this thread.
Maybe not only in this one.

see, it's just that you don't know about it and you don't trust me as a source(which is smart i guess, i just wonder about the sources that you DO trust). that doesn't make the fact less factual.

look who's taking the superior bully-boy attitude now!

you are wrong, but carry on. you're obviously entitiled to your opinion. what is it that qualifies YOU to be the final judge?

tolerance is for masons...

garyb wrote:tolerance is for masons...

By the way, did you know that HALF of the energy produced by the explosion in a regular engine piston is lost in FRICTION. As you know the piston must compress the fuel air mixture and to seal the gaps around the piston, steel seals that surround the piston (the 3 rings around the cylinder in the picture below) slide on the walls of the piston chamber. Components of a typical, four stroke cycle, DOHC piston engine. (E) Exhaust camshaft, (I) Intake camshaft, (S) Spark plug, (V) Valves, (P) Piston, (R) Connecting rod, (C) Crankshaft, (W) Water jacket for coolant flow. Source.

Also, did you know that only 1% of the energy produced by a gasoline engine is actually used to move the driver, the rest is used to move the weight of the car.

So why are we driving such inefficient, 18th century, vehicles in 21st century, you might ask yourselves? Take a guess!

BingoTheClowno wrote: So why are we driving such inefficient, 18th century, vehicles in 21st century, you might ask yourselves? Take a guess!

No need to guess....we all know

Greg

Do tell us!

BingoTheClowno wrote:Do tell us!

OK, do some research on who owns and runs BP and Unocal (amongst others), and parallel that with who owns and runs the 5 major auto companies, and then parallel that with the history of various 'empires' (European, British, US), and their relationship to wars throughout the middle east, far east, and Europe, and you SHOULD start getting a picture of why we're still living in the dark ages when it comes to the internal combustion engine.

Greg

that's what i said, but he wasn't listening...

i really like my deisel, though. old school technology that anyone can fix and manipulate, AND it's relatively environmentally freindly.....

the best thing about it is the sound...topacata, topocata, topocata....

Not conspiracy theories again!

not buzzwords that distort reality and keep the truth hidden again!!

That's right, no buzzwords, no hidden truths.

BingoTheClowno wrote:So why are we driving such inefficient, 18th century, vehicles in 21st century, you might ask yourselves? Take a guess!

ok, no conspiracies.

ummmm because it works?...and we're all tooled for it with infrastructure well in place?

on the other hand, my grandfather did some pollution studies for some shady operations including Lockheed and the state of California in the '70s(he invented so many things that are part of your daily life today). the impact of automobiles, while substantial, pales in comparison to industrial waste. naturally the study was shelved....management has it's own agenda.

BingoTheClowno wrote:That's right, no buzzwords, no hidden truths.

"conspiracy theory" is one of the ultimate buzzwords. it lumps true facts together with wackadoos and makes the truth even more obscure. it's a way to ignore all data that doesn't fit within a certain world view.

Conspiracy theory is a definition, it is something you are into deeply (and compulsively).
A buzzword is

Wiki wrote: a vague idiom, or a neologism, that is commonly used in managerial, technical, administrative, and sometimes political environments

Here we go again, you trying to redefine the world to suit your arguments.

Let me tell you why you are driving 18th century technology!
You do it because you don't have a fucking choice!

BingoTheClowno wrote:Conspiracy theory is a definition, it is something you are into deeply (and compulsively).
A buzzword is

Wiki wrote: a vague idiom, or a neologism, that is commonly used in managerial, technical, administrative, and sometimes political environments

Here we go again, you trying to redefine the world to suit your arguments.

takes one to know one, because that's what you've done in this post.

here's what the wiki you posted says about the vague idiom "Conspiracy theory", a phrase that's used for political and managerial environments:

A conspiracy theory attributes the ultimate cause of an event or chain of events (usually political, social or historical events), or the concealment of such causes from public knowledge, to a secret, and often deceptive plot by a group of powerful or influential people or organizations. Many conspiracy theories imply that major events in history have been dominated by conspirators who manipulate political happenings from behind the scenes

and

The term "conspiracy theory" may be a neutral descriptor for any conspiracy claim. To conspire means "to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or to use such means to accomplish a lawful end."[1] However, conspiracy theory is also used to indicate a narrative genre that includes a broad selection of (not necessarily related) arguments for the existence of grand conspiracies, any of which might have far-reaching social and political implications if true.[citation needed]

The first recorded use of the phrase "conspiracy theory" dates to the year 1909. Originally it was a neutral term; during the political upheaval of the 1960s the term acquired its current derogatory sense. [2] It entered the supplement to the Oxford English Dictionary as late as 1997.[3]

In an early essay by Daniel Pipes "adapted from a study prepared for the CIA", Pipes attempts to pin down what beliefs distinguish 'the conspiracy mentality' from 'more conventional patterns of thought': appearances deceive; conspiracies drive history; nothing is haphazard; the enemy always gains; power, fame, money, and sex account for all [4].

The term "conspiracy theory" is frequently used by mainstream scholars and in popular culture to identify a type of folklore similar to an urban legend, especially an explanatory narrative which is constructed with particular methodological flaws.[5] The term is also used pejoratively to dismiss claims that are alleged by critics to be misconceived, paranoid, unfounded, outlandish, irrational, or otherwise unworthy of serious consideration. For example "Conspiracy nut" and "conspiracy theorist" are used as pejorative terms. Some whose theories or speculations are labeled a "conspiracy theory" reject the term as prejudicial.


no where does is say "it is something you are into deeply (and compulsively)." or anything like that. it does howver say EXACTLY what i said, that "The term is also used pejoratively to dismiss claims that are alleged by critics to be misconceived, paranoid, unfounded, outlandish, irrational, or otherwise unworthy of serious consideration.". in other words, it's a way to dismiss evidence without having to actually investigate the evidence. it's a method to discredit off hand.

garyb wrote:

no where does is say "it is something you are into deeply (and compulsively)." or anything like that. it does howver say EXACTLY what i said, that "The term is also used pejoratively to dismiss claims that are alleged by critics to be misconceived, paranoid, unfounded, outlandish, irrational, or otherwise unworthy of serious consideration.". in other words, it's a way to dismiss evidence without having to actually investigate the evidence. it's a method to discredit off hand.

Nope, you said exactly: "conspiracy theory is a buzzword"
And yes, you are a conspiracy nut.

sorry for off topic, but all the colored/coloured text around here is close to impossible to read when using the silver theme

BingoTheClowno wrote:Conspiracy theory is a definition, it is something you are into deeply (and compulsively).
A buzzword is

Wiki wrote: a vague idiom, or a neologism, that is commonly used in managerial, technical, administrative, and sometimes political environments

Here we go again, you trying to redefine the world to suit your arguments.

So, what's YOUR world view 'Clowno'?