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hum, ... hard to talk about something we do not really know... we all know that running a company is very complex and none of us know exactly who has got the power and/or the money within creamware... As for the link between creamware and inDSP, that's the same mystery... So, i really think that we do not have enough clues or data to say "that's a good idea" or "that's unfair" or whatever....

What is sure :
- there have been many new products (ASB, Klangs, Dynatube, 3rd party...
- the marketing has been improved (even if not perfect) : the ASB are very good products and are DIFFERENT like scope software is different from the others...
- the hotline has become increasingly efficient (thank you Ralf !)
- annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd...., man, at least we can say there is a MOVE. That's the good news.

Jonathan

BingoTheClowno wrote:
So it looks like the Shark chip will be replaced with the Blackfin chip (a 400MHz chip compared to 60MHz).

There are different Blackfins, some go up to 600 MHz:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfin

You're right! My mistake.

frokka wrote:

BingoTheClowno wrote:
So it looks like the Shark chip will be replaced with the Blackfin chip (a 400MHz chip compared to 60MHz).

There are different Blackfins, some go up to 600 MHz:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfin

I'll take your 600MHz and raise you a 756MHz

http://www.analog.com/en/epProd/0,,ADSP-BF533,00.html

Sammy Spider wrote: And even if it may be difficult to have a company in Germany, it is never fault of the government if a company go bust. And we are not lazy in Geramany - sorry.

at least, we still have some companies like steinberg and native intruments which are not driven bust by german government...

just would be nice to have some kind of compensation for people like brainworx, imho, they have not seen any cent from CWA since sommer and they have to pay bills too...

anyway, hope, scope survives...

I remember Frank saying that CWA outsourced the programming of the ASB software to an Indian company...I wonder if that was inDSP?

Yeah, I know it's hard to have a business succeed in Europe these days. Not even the U.S. is as competitive as it should be. We conservatives have been trying to eliminate the income tax and replace it with a flat sales tax, but these things take time...especially when neither party is interested...

Hope Frank's new venture is a success!

Shayne

Shayne White wrote:...Yeah, I know it's hard to have a business succeed in Europe these days. ...

well, I may add that my harsh words about 'business conditions' refer more to the 'official' German situation - of course we have a lot of motivated (and talented) individuals here, too.
But also a ton of (active!) regulations reaching back to the pre- previous century... or even medieval, as I happened to watch yesterday on TV.

here were 2 (obviously talented, yet not the youngest anymore) dudes with zero chances to get a 'reular' employment, so they started their own business laquering cars, adding some extras like airbrush etc to the services.
Business went great, many happy customers...
until a competitor informed the local authorities, who sent an official to close down the business... you need a certain 'craftsman mastership diploma' to operate laquering gear for business - you don't need talent, you need a f*cking piece of paper, so to say...

this is just one stupid example, there are hundreds if you start digging...

when I finished school, everyone wanted to become a medical doctor, as it was apparently the 'best paid' career.
Fortunately a kind of natural inhibition kept out (most of) those who desired such profession only for money ...

Today Information technolgy is the buzzword - but there's no inhibition threshold, machines suffer silently, no blood or excrements included.
Now guess how many completely untalented prats hang out on universities, because we have 'equal chances', 'freedom of choice' etc. - pretending to be 'experts' when finishing after (usually too many) years.

I would not say that this is fundamentally different in any part of the world, but the pressure to become particularily skilled is (imho) much higher elsewhere because there's nothing to absorb your (social) fall if you fail.
A student (I remember from my 'shoptimes') commented his US experiences (a scholarship for MBA) '...dude, that was the first time I really had to work for my studies - they are merciless over there...'

workers in India are usually higher motivated as their advancement on succeeding can be more than dramatic - they don't want to fall back to where they (had to) come from.
On the other hand - here (if you fail to get a job after 6 or more years of studies) you can demand similiar compensation from unemployment funds as if you had worked in the position you really never got.

Such regulations attract exploiters and stand in the way for the talented ones, as the overall level of sophistication drops.
You see - it's again in the official regulations, and those responsible (in public and administration) sit it out (once again) with six figure Euro salaries on fat growing b*tts...

cheers, Tom

CW Frank wrote:To be frank,

Hey man, who else could ya be?

That's some really good news, I thought this was going to be a 'postcard from India' sort of thread

Best wishes for your on-going developments.

Royston

To be jonathan with you, forget your english sence of humour ! Just kidding... for those looking for english sence of humour, the french forum is not so bad too...

And - in order to stay close to the thread - heu... well... i am really excited.... what are the 2 new products launched for the musikmesse? Can we have a clue just to help us to stay patient...

Jonathan

Do not know if anybody noticed this at the NAMM show but there is an InDSP card mentionned.

This was found from the www.sequencer.de

Any news about that ? Looks like the Waldorf nano board for CME masterkeyboard phylosophy.

Does that mean CW could surprise everybody with a keyboard-shape ...

Wait and see...

CheerZ

jesus! could you at least resize your pic before posting it?!

thanks!


btw I don't know who made that in-dsp site but damn it's a mess! Not to mention filled with bad spelling and grammar. (and lol at that stock photo of the girl with headphones... I mean really now....

Hearing is the most powerful of all emotions.

wow, I didn't know "hearing" was an emotion

anyway, doesn't matter we all know the products are great and that's what counts.

I really wonder how this card fits into a PCI-Express slot.

King of Snake wrote:jesus! could you at least resize your pic before posting it?!

thanks!

Resize done.

I apologize but I did not preview the message before posting it ...

Corrected now.

CheerZ

thanks

Getting further about this VIRTUAL ICON, I just noticed that it is the name of a product range from DIGIDESIGN.
By the way fader and pot have the same shape.

This one could perhaps be seen as something like the SSL NUENDE but in a masterkeyboard shape.

Digidesign could be one of the company InDSP has achieved project for.

But I did not find any more information so far except for this NAMM show picture and only the jpg file name give hints about InDSP.

Anybody having any more clues ???

I would be surprised to find InDSP developing for AD & Motorola platforms simultaniously, especially developing products for Digidesign. Which isn't to say it's impossible, but it's unlikely enough that it would be surprising.

There is already another example of company moving from Motorola DSP platform to Analog Device DSP platform: FOCUSRITE with the Liquid Mix powered by a Shark though they just bought up Novation which products are Motorola DSP based.
Moving from one platform to the other shouldn't be such a problem if the software is written in C language (only the I/O drivers should perhaps be written in assembly language).
By the way, let us just wait and see.

CheerZ

Yes but the development for the Liquid Mix was done by a separate team than Novation, right? Buying a separate team of developers is a different story entirely, and in any case I doubt Frank is trying to abandon AD anyway as it hasn't been any part of the issues they've had.

valis wrote:Yes but the development for the Liquid Mix was done by a separate team than Novation, right?

Maybe they ask another company called inDSP ?

I do not think either that they would move from Motorola to AD. I would expect degidesign to move from Motorola to AD.

Traditionnaly the Motorola platform was more spread :
- Access, Clavia, Novation, Waldorf use it for their VA synths
- Korg OASYS
- Digidesign Protools, TC Powercore, Sydec Soundscape

The TI DSP are also used in recent devices:
- Korg RADIAS
- Radikal Spectralis

There had been some original platforms:
- UAD with their FPGA/DSP
- Waves APA and Muse Research Receptor with their PC processors

But most of the newest product are AD-DSP based:
- Focusrite Liquid Mix
- SSL Duende (designed together withe the Sydec team which had more experience on Motorola platform)
- Arturia Origin

So I would not be much surprised if more and more product are AD-DSP based. CW has just been a kind of pioneer in that topic.

CheerZ

HUROLURA wrote: But most of the newest product are AD-DSP based:
- Focusrite Liquid Mix
- SSL Duende (designed together withe the Sydec team which had more experience on Motorola platform)
- Arturia Origin

focusrite also equipped the liquid channel and the original saffire (the white one) with an AD DSP.

-greetings, markus-