"DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL"!?!

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:34 pm

Creamware software has been more stable under XP than 2000 for me, but that might vary with hardware/chipset. I've gotten the DRIVER_IRQL_LESS_OR_EQUAL or whatever it is a few times under XP tho, when playing Wolfenstein:Enemy Territory. I don't think I've gotten it under normal use at all.

valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:46 am

WinXP's ACPI implementation actually works, under win2000 Standard PC is necessary for most pro audio cards (Creamware included).

alexlotta · Post by **alexlotta** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 8:59 am

i got blue screen as well ,then reinstalling windows Xp from scratch it worked ,even in chain with Sblive.
Now , after i have installed a lot of appz 8i use the same pc for musicand other)i 'm experiencing again Bsod (with SONAR ).

The answer i think is that:
Or you use pc JUST for music ,or the Creamwares-Drivers first or late will go crazy with something else on your pc.

a matter of luck .Obvoiulsly "professional" do that polite just-o-music installation ,but when you have ust 1 pc for NET-GAMING-MUSING problem with a complex cad like pulsar come.

On the C-website ,i did'nt find any "fix",any driver-udate ,or general tips.

little ritic:
i Hope they begin to update drivers (AND MANUALS!!!),
instead to produce and sell new plugins continuosly.

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:40 am

On 2004-11-27 08:59, alexlotta wrote:

The answer i think is that:
Or you use pc JUST for music ,or the Creamwares-Drivers first or late will go crazy with something else on your pc.

I don't know how much of that is the Creamware driver's fault, and how much is Windows flaking out

(I won't mention the SBLive cuz I don't want to get into the whole Creative thing

.) My other hardware's drivers are just as prone to crash (actually, kinda more heh) than my Creamware cards's DS/WDM/whatnot driver.

Anyway, I have no problems (meaning, about 1 crash a week, machine can stay open for 2-3 days) here with XP, 2 Creamware boards and another soundcard, even after a year or two of the same XP install. The most problems I've had was with certain games. I've put back an older souncard in there, and it turns out the game crashes just as much with that card

.

The few BSOD I've had involved KMixer.sys, which is Windows' mixer thingy. I've never, ever had it happen when using ASIO. Freezes yes (rare, but happens

), but no BSOD.

But that's what you get for using PCs

. Some hardware combination works on some motherboards, freaks out on some other boards, sometimes some drivers, that work flawlessly otherwise, get in conflict and start crashing stuff, etc. Put something in this PCI slot instead of this other PCI slot, and things stop (or start) crashing. Subsequent installs of the same OS on the same hardware might even behave differently! Not to mention the introduction of new technology and protocols (ACPI, HT, stuff) that sometimes need some time to mature out OS and driver wise, etc, etc.

It's the downside of the cheaper-lots-more-available hardware-orgy that makes up the PC world. Also the fact that the main Operating System vendor doesn't sell hardware to run the OS on, and doesn't really care wether your audio gets there on time or wether the DirectSoundMumuche audio interface is consistant and stable and well documented.

And since the OS isn't open source, the vendor can't provide you with an OS patch (don't mean driver here) that fixes some of those problems

Try asking Microsoft to open up their interfaces implementation a bit, so that vendors can produce better drivers and tweak out weird bugs, see if they perform better and are more responsive than Creamware

Agreed that the Creamware marketing is a bit dodgy, for sure

But I'd rather have dodgy marketing than dodgy hardware myself, heh. Also, I thought giving out the free SDK was a pretty nice we-appreciate-your-business kind of gesture. I'll take weird signal dev over 10$ off plugins anytime

. I know how much "similar" DSP-dev tools cost (say Matlab/Simulink licence (ick) + LyrTech style DSP-in-a-box thingy,) and believe, I know what an incredible deal I'm getting!

So, yes, obviously, if XP works well at first and then starts to flake out, something gets broken along the way. I found that if I minimize the amount of processes running and keep things fairly clean, I won't get that much crashing. Not using cracked software also helps alot

Also Alex, what part of the SFP manual do you find lacking/would like to see more developped? I've found them pretty complete myself, I can think of a few other things (*cough*SDK*cough*

) with far sparser documentation. I've found that with the SFP doc and musicxp.net, you can get a pretty fast stable system with very few glitches.

alexlotta · Post by **alexlotta** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:19 pm

I thought giving out the free SDK was a pretty nice we-appreciate-your-business kind of gesture.

Also Alex, what part of the SFP manual do you find lacking/would like to see more developped? I've found them pretty complete myself, I can think of a few other things (*cough*SDK*cough* ) with far sparser documentation. I've found that with the SFP doc and musicxp.net, fast stable system with very few glitches.

Uhm 1))dunno what is sdk thing (i have the card but i did'nt learn to use properly still)

2)manual lacks :SONAR chapter ,just "mme mode", not asio nor Wdm :

BOTH "drivers mode"(wdm and asio)+ creamware are NOT WORKING well here,just mme mode ,plus Sonar+creamware is SUCKING away 95 percent of the CPU ,
SONAR4+ SBLIVE (the great "kx drivers" obviously ) instead is working,But just in MME mode properly,using 10 percent of the cpu,so definetely somehing no good with creamware+sonar4,and there is NO chapter for that,just for general "mme mode"(which i did'nt read all ,its about the same with everything).

creamware + my old cakewalk audio 9 is quite working (but mme mode possible only ,due to the age of the sequencer,so no ASIO or WdM)

Still ,i hope to realize a good creamare setup (i waited a lot oftime just to buy the pulsar)..i did'nt get how to use the synths as for now ,so i'm really noob,noob in pulsar not in Hrecording in general

Post by **garyb** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:29 pm

something wrong with you setup if you're getting those results. starting from scratch carefully fixes most problems(permanently)...

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:04 am

Still ,i hope to realize a good creamare setup (i waited a lot oftime just to buy the pulsar)..i did'nt get how to use the synths as for now ,so i'm really noob,noob in pulsar not in Hrecording in general

Don't worry, you've come to the right place

So, have you tested ASIO with any other software besides Sonar? Do you get same stuff? What about WDM, do general applications like Media Player work well?

You can try putting ULLI at its maximum setting, see if that affects the CPU at all. Have you tried all the HT/IRQ/ACPI tweaks?

alexlotta · Post by **alexlotta** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:26 am

(quote)
HT/IRQ/ACPI tweaks?
(/quote)
uhm.
acpi:creamware on slot 2 (his own irq)
Ht:what is?

if i rise up ulli (latency) more up ,then creamware would have More latency than the sblive,that's would strange.

wdm drivers:audio /midi out of sync

MAINLY ,its a SONAR 4 beaviour i think,as i
forgot to mention ,th.

Creamware - samplerate settings - MASTER :it
works(in mme sonar 4 mode),setting sonar the same sample rate.(and sonar tel meth. the card is able to sample JUST in that format)

In SLAVE mode (which you need to connect spdif or from-card signal)
Sonar4 tell me :"creamware drivers are used by another application,or project does'nt support audio format"

IN CAKEWALK PRO AUDIO 9 (the old 1) , which works just in MME mode , NO PROBS in slave/master mode ,
so sonar 4 is messing up and/or need a particular SETUP.

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plus i have to say:
soundfonts played through sblive into creamware spdif sound FUCKING GOOD , fuller and warm ...STS sampler and similar (the various vsti's ) instead ,have tiny sound and often a nightmare to use,even if they are more tweakable.

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:57 am

Have I missed something, but why would you ever want to have a soundblaster in there at the same time ? Doesn't this just horribly complicate everything ?

alexlotta · Post by **alexlotta** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:51 am

the problem i have above is with /without soundblaster either .

Anyway , my pc could'nt handle all the midi's played through sf2-vsti's ,required at the place of the sblive to play sf2 samples

(STS sampler,for soundfont handling ,is confusing ,strangly mapping the banks ,dsp consuming and terrible sounding )
Plus ,chaining sblive (KX DRIVERS with dsp spaghetti-like creamware interface),give u all the input ouputs and flexibility you need you

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alexlotta · Post by **alexlotta** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:24 pm

i 've solved midi out of sync ,DUNNO how ,
messing up a lot ,with creamware.

and cpu load of the pc (Without any vsti or similar)is 29 percent:
Still high but at least playable.
so it's Sonar4 fault for sure.

like it is ,if the project is 44khz,i can't record from-spdif guitar directly,very bad

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