The monster of atomic war is upon us, again...

[Nestor]

Nestor, I would love to hear your take on Libya. If you start with the protests over there (yes lets just say they happened, allthoug i wouldnt be suprised if they were "false flag" as well in your perception), should the international community involve themselves? If the answer is "yes but (insert anything)", what constillation do you have in mind?

Despite your sarcasm, I will answer you anyway: They have already done it anyway, didn't they? But well, just a thought, imagine a big building with about 100 families living there with poorer and richer people. The richest 3 families, because they have more money and power overall, want to rule people’s lives. Well, that’s already a bad beginning for me... (Money and power does not mean to be more intelligent or better than others, it is just having more, period. And in many cases, it means to be much worse than the rest when they have it exploding fellows). Let say that these 3 families want to rule them outside of their own departments, in the stairs and lifts, well, ok, that would be bad enough, but still more and less acceptable. Now, what if they get into your own flat every time you have a discussion with your children, grandmother of wife to determine what is right and what is wrong? They have keys of all the flats and they come in and out without asking permission, and eventually, if they determine so, they can gunshot at you or anyone they decide under their own interests and conveniences. This is brutalizing tyranny! Isn’t it? I think that we should leave people live their lives, this is what I think.

PS: The Monsanto/eugenics article was about poison in the herbicide, not the seed/plant. If it was eugenics i wouldn't kill the farmers, rather the customers.

They harm people and that’s the point.

PPS: The CIA agents in Aghanistan video is from 2010, I am not sure what is "wood to the fire" concerning that.

Sorry, my mistake, I posted a video just behind the one I wanted. This is the right one, which it is like throwing wood to the fire, definitely:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/147953554800 ... hanistan-/

PPPS: Has the Zionists taken over the world yet after blowing up that pipeline? Has the oil prices gone thrugh the roof?

Do you think that I am in favor of oil getting up? Strange question indeed, as you can find it out by yourself.

PPPPS: Whats the most conerning issues regarding Chile at the moment?

Definitely, not the ones you’ll be told by the press... Why you are interested in such irrelevant issues anyway? There is a war coming up. Or are you trying to test me?

[hubird]

you don't like admitting that the world is run by a bunch of fascists....

the masks falls.

A few hardcore frustratos and a simple follower type of guy who feels strong with them aside.

'The world is run by a bunch of fascists' says Garyb, most known seller of products of Sonic Core and a central member of Planetz...

I'd like to know what S/C -settled in Berlin, the historical base of defeated fascisme- would think of that public proposition of one of their main representants.

[garyb]

look, it's no surprise that corporatists run things. this can be good or bad depending...

at least the trains run on time...

is it such a secret?
you're trying to put loaded words onto me out of spite, but i'm not having it. no one has done you any harm. there's no reason for you to get upset. i gave you a definition of fascism from the person who coined the word. what the word means is something that he would know. he said that fascism is a blend of corporate and state power. if that isn't a description of modern government, i don't know what is!

this has nothing to do with audio gear. it's not some radical point of view. just because you want to point your finger at me and say, "bad guy!" doesn't make me bad. actually, i'm in favor of business, people, taking care of my environment and following the law of the land.

if i see corporate power linked with the government, i'll call it fascism whether it's good or bad, because that is what the word means. you're too complicated for me, hubird. i don't hate like you do. i don't try to make you a bad person. you do that all on your own when you try to hurt others.

the world is run by fascists. is it a crime to say so? does it mean that i am untrustworthy? have i committed a thought crime? i didn't say the world was run by the NAZI party. please do not put words into my mouth. please do not just troll me. i'm sure that major corporate influence can be found in your country's government. i'll bet that major coporations have written laws that passed your legislature. that's how things are these days. don't cry over it. again, this may or may not be bad. i'm just calling it what it is.

[Nestor]

What if every time you inhaled,
Was one step closer to the death,
What if you realized this now,
And not on your dying breath,

Would you live your life different,
Would you take some things back?
Would you live life with more vigor,
Or force yourself to relax?

Everyone dies,
But not everyone lives,
Can you experience this world,
For all that it gives?

Would you give into every desire,
Even the immoral ones?
Or when these times come,
Would you turn and run?

When you think about your life,
Do you smile and laugh?
Or would regret be what you felt,
Thinking on a past someones behalf?

These questions serve one purpose,
And one main goal alone,
Did you find happiness in this life,
When the times comes to atone?

I hope that you do,
Before it's too late,
Before the life you live,
Draws and end to your fate.

[next to nothing]

Nestor, I would love to hear your take on Libya. If you start with the protests over there (yes lets just say they happened, allthoug i wouldnt be suprised if they were "false flag" as well in your perception), should the international community involve themselves? If the answer is "yes but (insert anything)", what constillation do you have in mind?

Despite your sarcasm, I will answer you anyway: They have already done it anyway, didn't they? But well, just a thought, imagine a big building with about 100 families living there with poorer and richer people. The richest 3 families, because they have more money and power overall, want to rule people’s lives. Well, that’s already a bad beginning for me... (Money and power does not mean to be more intelligent or better than others, it is just having more, period. And in many cases, it means to be much worse than the rest when they have it exploding fellows). Let say that these 3 families want to rule them outside of their own departments, in the stairs and lifts, well, ok, that would be bad enough, but still more and less acceptable. Now, what if they get into your own flat every time you have a discussion with your children, grandmother of wife to determine what is right and what is wrong? They have keys of all the flats and they come in and out without asking permission, and eventually, if they determine so, they can gunshot at you or anyone they decide under their own interests and conveniences. This is brutalizing tyranny! Isn’t it? I think that we should leave people live their lives, this is what I think.

So if the population of a country start to protest against this, only to be shot and killed by its government, we should just sit still and let them "live their lives". Got it.

PS: The Monsanto/eugenics article was about poison in the herbicide, not the seed/plant. If it was eugenics i wouldn't kill the farmers, rather the customers.

They harm people and that’s the point.

You presented the link to show eugenics is very much up and running. Knowingly damaging farmers is immoral and illegal, but is it necessarily eugenics? Then the standard return that is pretty usual in these discussion "well they hurt people!". Yes they do. But why is it eugenics?

PPS: The CIA agents in Aghanistan video is from 2010, I am not sure what is "wood to the fire" concerning that.

Sorry, my mistake, I posted a video just behind the one I wanted. This is the right one, which it is like throwing wood to the fire, definitely:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/147953554800 ... hanistan-/

Sorry, but once i saw who presented the video i stopped it.

PPPS: Has the Zionists taken over the world yet after blowing up that pipeline? Has the oil prices gone thrugh the roof?

Do you think that I am in favor of oil getting up? Strange question indeed, as you can find it out by yourself.

Well the thing is that since Mugabe went away, 13 oil pipelines in has been blown up in egypt. Mainly its the lines to Israel/Jordan if i am not mistaken, and it's mainly done by the opposition because they claim they are exporting oil without getting propely payed. Why isn't this mentioned on the sites like dailysheeple etc? No, it MUST be the zionists trying to collapse the market (as you implied earlier).

PPPPS: Whats the most conerning issues regarding Chile at the moment?

Definitely, not the ones you’ll be told by the press... Why you are interested in such irrelevant issues anyway? There is a war coming up. Or are you trying to test me?

Hehe, no it's not a test Just wondering if there are any issues at all down there since you seem to spend so much time on external things

I actually watched an OK documentary from Chile yesterday, not related to what we are discussing but here's the link anyway

http://www.vice.com/far-out/faustinos-p ... ull-length

[Nestor]

Next to nothing, you assume too many things too quickly and by doing so you are denying yourself the possibility to know what is real and what is false. I have never confirmed how much time I spend reading news for instance, but you already have a conclusion. I spend very little time in fact, so your conclusion it is wrong. You don’t want to see anything infowar related, but neither want to read fox so you are in the extremes. I think it is better to see everything so you get the picture in the centre. I don’t feel attracted by the details in these kinds of matters but rather by the core of what is happening, you tend to be concerned by the details in state, that’s fine, but I am not. We have a different way of watching the world and that’s fine

Now, some latest news: U.S. Officials Believe Netanyahu Has Already Decided to Strike Iran, and so do I:

http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/03/05/is ... rike-iran/#

[next to nothing]

You don’t want to see anything infowar related, but neither want to read fox so you are in the extremes

Talk about jumping to conclusions!

But if not listening to Bill O'Reilly or Alan Jones makes me extreme, well, i rest my case, and i will happily live with that!

[Nestor]

You don’t want to see anything infowar related, but neither want to read fox so you are in the extremes

Talk about jumping to conclusions!

But if not listening to Bill O'Reilly or Alan Jones makes me extreme, well, i rest my case, and i will happily live with that!

Fine At least I am assuming something based on things "you have said"… Anyway, you have listen and read him so little that you call him Alan Jones instate of Alex Jones, cool…



Let see what is coming to be in the near future, that’s the interesting thing… Anyway, which is your preferred news channel or media and why?

[garyb]

i don't think Netanyahu does anything without permission, regardless of what anyone says.

has politics and warfare really changed all that much in the last few thousand years? except for the weaponry and actual battle field techniques, the manipulations seem the same as Egyptian and Greek and Roman intrigue. Shakespeare wrote plays with the same kind of backstage movements. Japanese and Chinese court dramas demonstrate the same politics. the actual details of any situation are purposely left unclear for the masses. there's no way for us to know who is really whom and what the actual intentions are, other then the utter lack of repsect that leadership has for regular folks. all we can do is complain and then do our best to live a good and decent life. there's certainly no point in attacking each other over a disagreement. there's nothing wrong with correcting what seems to be an error, but none of us truly know what the actual reality of these situations are. we are only speculating based on what we are told.

Die Gedanken sind frei

[Nestor]

we are only speculating based on what we are told.

Exactly, this is all we have: speculations it is true.

Nevertheless, I feel that this war will start and will last for many years.

[next to nothing]

First to Nestor, i guess it's an awaited reply but i really don't have any "preferred" news channel. I "catch the news" from the usual channels, and i admit when it comes to foreign media i tend to steer left rather then right. I guess there is no such thing as "neutral". In example, I used to (and occationally still) watch shows like Colbert Report and The Daily Show, which i know have a left-wing view , just like o'reilly have a right-wing angle on his show.

To give a Fox News example (with fox news source) I am more the guy to the left rather than to the right in this link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsInsi ... m8WhG-8FGw
http://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsInsi ... 7fIjufCPsg (the argument sort of sums it up)
then there is these if you want more of it:
http://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsInsi ... egcitTUs1E
http://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsInsi ... cgiTF5c4m4

To Gary, I will not try to convince you Israel will NOT strike witout permission, but you are wise enough to understand that Benjamin Netanyahu isn't the guy who sits around and wait. Israel however, as a state, has a tradition to neglect whatever international obligation they have because of their "special" position in the international community. But of course that doesnt really matter as, for example, the IS/PL conflict has the borders set by UN, which again just wants to kill you.

Listen, this is not a competition. but if i where to set the percentage i would put 45% on a mainly IS driven attack, 25% on diplomatic solving, and put the last 30% on a coalition attack. However, i would put .01% on a nuclear attack, and .001 percent on such attack bringing out a nuclear war. And thats pretty safe oddsm staying on topic

[hubird]

i'm sure that major corporate influence can be found in your country's government. i'll bet that major coporations have written laws that passed your legislature. that's how things are these days. don't cry over it. again, this may or may not be bad. i'm just calling it what it is.

In my country corporations don't 'write laws'.
Parlement does.

It's highly tendentious to say it the way you do, and rather insulting to countries in Europe at least.

Different sections of society try to get influence to that, which is like it should in a parlementary democracy.
A free press discusses all processes in public, and scandals are widely discussed openly.

In the Netherlands we have several institutions in which the socio-political forces are organised in a highly institutionalised way.
One of those is called the Social Economic Councel, the SER.
It consists of the three parties which are naturally involved in the national proces of realising decisions of national interest.
These natural parties are Labour, Capital and Gouvernment.
The status of the decisions are advising, the parliament decides.
It prevents social conflicts don't exaggerate to much, for instance it keeps wages devellopment reasonably in order to keep the country internationally competetative but also prevents deprivation of an underclass of chancelesses.

An other advantage of our system is we have good infrastructures, like a good electricity network, great roads also in nabourhoods, etc.

Because neoliberalisme has won much influence during the last 20 years there's more social tension between the major cocio-political forces, specially because social health care and public utilities have been 'given back' to the free market, tho under strong (parlementary and subsequently) control regarding quality requests.
Yet our situation is nothing compared to the social struggle your country seems to be involved in.

My English is to humble to explain it better and more professional.
So you have to read it well willingly.

So don't call us fascistic because the way we handle natural societal tensions.
I'm protesting against the nihilistic domination of some guys on this public forum regarding political views.
You'r fully entitled to have your own opinions, but don't blame the rest of the world for the failure of your own country (as you are analising it by yourself).

To call social democracy ('corporatism') as a political system 'fascistic' is way out of order, and is heavily insulting to a lot of members of this board.
That's what this discussion is all about.

If you wanne change something in your country then vote wise.
With Obama you have a remarkable wise and decent man on which you should be pride as your president.
You won't soon find soon a better one, if you ask me.

[hubird]

Obama about Syria in reaction to the Republican wish for unilateral action:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

[garyb]

oh, i see. i insulted you personally.

if you have NO corporate interests or help in writing your laws, that's very good. as you say, it is for the Nation, and the word nation means tribe.

i thought that your governemnt was part of the EU. the EU is a corporation.

i never called tour government fascistic. i have called my government fascistic in the past, because it most certainly is. the IRS, being a private company that plays tax collector for the government is proof enough, not that i don't respect the authority that has been taken....

what i said was fascists run the world. there is most likely some fascistic tendency in your government, however, the connection the the UN and the EU are proof enough of this. this alone doesn't make it evil. you have an emotional reaction to the word "fascist" because of mussolini and hitler, and because your last king supported them(along with george of england). i don't mind your national interests taking care of themselves or of your people. indeed i applaud it! it is good that the Dutch were able to maintain their lands themselves instead of becoming thralls to other peoples. i wish that for everyone. i think you're over reacting. i know that Dutch Royal Shell has no effect on policy.

now that the hijack is complete, we'll get back to betting on the likelyhood of war. ntn has given his numbers. what are yours?

[hubird]

EU nor UN are fascistic organisations.
Not according to any definition nor according to the facts.
You see fascism in everything just because you're disappointed in your own political system.
You're just having a radical point of view, which you try to spread way toodominantly on this board.
Everyone who dares to deny the ridicul evil elite and fascist stuff is bombed with links to one sided and misinterpret textes.
It makes feel those not at home here.
This is specially wrong while you are a special member here, because of your relationship to S/C.
For simpelmind Nestor this is also a bad thing, as he is a representant of Planetz itself by his role of admin.

[tgstgs]

you forgot to tell about the honey rivers and chocolate seas in europ;

grilled chicken flying around here vibes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNqsQJ3a ... re=related

[Nestor]

What if every time you inhaled,
Was one step closer to the death,
What if you realized this now,
And not on your dying breath,

Would you live your life different,
Would you take some things back?
Would you live life with more vigor,
Or force yourself to relax?

Everyone dies,
But not everyone lives,
Can you experience this world,
For all that it gives?

Would you give into every desire,
Even the immoral ones?
Or when these times come,
Would you turn and run?

When you think about your life,
Do you smile and laugh?
Or would regret be what you felt,
Thinking on a past someones behalf?

These questions serve one purpose,
And one main goal alone,
Did you find happiness in this life,
When the times comes to atone?

I hope that you do,
Before it's too late,
Before the life you live,
Draws and end to your fate.

[next to nothing]

Roses are red, violets are blue
poems have authors
and it's not you.

[Nestor]

Roses are red, violets are blue
poems have authors
and it's not you.

You DO need to pay attention to the MESSAGE and not to the unimportant details man...

I cannot write poems in english language..., they are already hard to write in spanish... But common, you relly need to learn to pay attention to the message... Make the exercise of understanding the bottomline every time, please

[Nestor]

Roses are red, violets are blue
poems have authors
and it's not you.

You DO need to pay attention to the MESSAGE and not to the unimportant details man... You may me explain over and over and over again this to you: "the finger pointing to the moon", the moon is the important thing, not the finger...

I cannot write poems in english language..., they are already hard to write in spanish... But common, you relly need to learn to pay attention to the message... Make the exercise of understanding the bottomline every time, please