The monster of atomic war is upon us, again...

[valis]

Ok it's the weekend, had a super busy week so fell behind on this incredible fun we're having (sad day I know). Going back to my original post, I suppose with my normal disdain for Fox News I shouldn't have repeated what I heard on here as hearsay..but it was interesting looking at this as a result. Both times Monsanto has renamed itself, within a month there are rumors about Monsanto purchasing them. It looks like in 2011 the 2010 rumor was just reposted, but the news I heard this weekend referred to them renaming and being purchased and I had heard the Xe renaming before and assumed it was that. Apparently they're renamed *again* this past December and are now called ACADEMI, and then once again within a month the rumors are floated. What interests me still is that I saw Google News results on my iPhone when I heard the news report that day, and now checking google news shows nada at all for most keywords they're associated with now.

I would think it most likely that what happens is they reform and then resign a contract with Monsanto, and the rumor restarts. And I can easily imagine a lazy reporter picking it up this time and floating the story to AP/Reuters which would seed google news and the fox radio news with the info.

I really don't mind 'not being right', but I was really mystified by the change in the news results. So for me it's still interesting that checking google news now shows nothing. That was a rapid response to pulling the info at the very least, and the fact that this seems to float up each year in January (there are a few things referencing back to 2006 and the original contract with Monsanto if you dig) is certainly a pattern of sorts.

[valis]

As for the rest of this thread, the back & forth over who likes who is kind of off-putting. I have no issue with Nestor expressing his feelings or musings here, there's plenty of threads that I avoid due to a lack of interest or time. Aside from my indiscretion with the company that puts the "i" in academy, I've tried to steer clear of badmouthing any 'side' or taking up the emotional tide and running with it myself. I can still see the potential for conflict with Iran as it's being clearly broadcast every few weeks. But I've also shown counterpoint to the current 'sanctions' and could easily bring up the trading partner game we're playing atm with not just China & Russia but also India, Brazil and other countries which are rising in affluence as the US falls.

I don't think we've departed from the OP so much as devolved to a sort of baseline that does occur in these threads. Jimmy cracking jokes, GaryB stating his (not pessimistic or anti-democratic imo but) [quote=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy]Apathetic[/quote] opinion. But if you ask me fiercely denouncing someone who expresses a negative opinion leading to apathy...is rather easy to see. My question is where we're headed now with this thread?

[dawman]

I think you guys succeeded in bringing out the lurkers to get them to contribute again.
Even if it's only for venting displaced aggression, it's a form of therapy, so Nestor, GaryB, the High Plains Driters and Pale Riders have succeeded. Soon we'll see another old long gone member who only contributes here and the circle will be complete.

Well Done...

FWIW, If Nestor is a little paranoid, I tend to understand, he lived through an Earthquake most of us will never see, so he has an experience of social breakdown and humanity in turmoil.
His viewpoint is welcomed.
To the Nay Sayers, just ignore him like you do the other threads where everyone shares the excitement of music.
Since that is a thing of the past for some, perhaps you might work your way back into thoses areas, otherwise copy/pasting cartoons and complaining is acceptable, afterall it's just another opinion.

And Blackwater w/ the help of Micaheal Chernoff own every XRay machine at the Airports around the globe, so they are more than just a rag tag army of well paid NWO soldiers.
Lions and Tigers and Bears,..............OH MY........

[Nestor]

but philanthropic garyb

Stardust, its ok if you disagree with whatsoever you want to disagree, but don’t do this please! Gary have helped more people for free in Planet Z than it is possible to believe, this took him a lot of time and writings through the years, and this is great. I don’t think you should take this proven and real facts coming from his kindness getting it polluted in these irrelevant talks we are having.

Please, don’t get badly magnetized by insults, do it in a fare way do it with respect. I’m sure that all of us together participating in this thread have not helped out people as Gary alone has for about 10 years already, and this is something of much value. So please don’t use these good things from people’s goodwill for your arguments, let not mix things up. I am not telling you not to play the game, do it, but do it with respect, otherwise we are degenerating reality. I think you understand me.

[Nestor]

My question is where we're headed now with this thread?

I think this is a question with an easy answer Valis: all we have to do is wait and see.
Meanwhile, for my part, I have decided (a while ago as you have already probably noticed), not to answer to any aggression, insults, and will definitely not lose time in any whatsoever fight with any whatsoever person, I am simply not interested. I believe in respect, and first of all, respect to my own person. If I insult anyone, I am insulting myself too. Getting involved in destructive conversations that the thread now and then opens and closes, is not really on topic and I am not interested in them anyway.

Spend my personal time to write to try to dialectically “win” a conversation defeating an “adversary”, it is not even in post # 100.000.000.000.000 in my life priorities so to say, (talking like the one who has already loaned 20$ from Uncle Franck).

I will keep in touch with those with similar interests and will patiently wait to see how these international matters progress and develop through the months, and I invite everyone else to do the same if you want. Anyway, I don’t have the time to get involved in so many word struggles that nevertheless, are only the defense of a hidden arrogance that feels threatened in its shining magnificence, with the only aim of being important or showing that you are superior to others. I have already learned, many, many years ago, that I am not better than anyone, I am just different as everybody is, from each other. I consider believing better than others, or superior than others, one of the most atrocious stupidities in life.

Last but not least, I have to thank the aggressors because you have succeeded in making me even stronger and more committed than ever in my entire life at following my convictions, the ones you have never understood not even in its shadow. Thank you for your help.

My best wish is for this war to never come true, needless to say that anyway. Good bye and good luck.

[hubird]

Wikipedia:
Philanthropy etymologically means "the love of humanity"—love in the sense of caring for, nourishing, developing, or enhancing; humanity in the sense of "what it is to be human," or "human potential." In modern practical terms, it is "private initiatives for public good, focusing on quality of life"—balancing the social-scientific aspect emphasized in the 20th century, with the long-traditional and original humanist core of the word's ancient coinage. This formulation distinguishes it from business (private initiatives for private good, focusing on material prosperity) and government (public initiatives for public good, focusing on law and order).

leaving a mild irony of Stardust while admitting Garyb's helping attitude.

(edited to clear up)

[garyb]

i love people....

what are you trying to say?


oh, whatever! thanks for the attention!


btw valis- i'm not really a nihilist...i'm just drawn that way.

[hubird]

hm, I guess I was a bit cryptic. I just argued toward Nestor that Stardust wasn't doubtful about your help here.
Maybe there was even confusion with the term misantropy by Nestor, as Stardust's words as quoted by Nestor weren't harsch at all IMO.

[valis]

Seemed to me given the tone of the discussion that the descriptor applied to garyb was interpreted in the sarcastic. While maybe not given that intention, the context of this thread doesn't make that a far leap, but the recovery shows we're not completely lost here eh?

And the rhetoric game continues with Iran, with 2 Iranian Navy ships entering the Mediterranean and claims about redoubling nuclear refinement speed with their new centrifuges. A war of words atm, quake in your shoes True Believers (sadly this one isn't penned by Stan Lee) and be sure to buy lots of stuff when you feel that unsure feeling in your gut.

[dawman]

Iranians will run and hide to Syria as their own people hunt them down.

We could put a quick end to this war by sending our women and lawyers/politicians to Iran.
These guys have no clue why American soldiers are more than happy to leave the States and fight overseas.
They can escpae the torture of their wives and lawyers, see new exotic lands, meet new people.........then kill them.
Much better adventures than staying at home to die in your sleep by a pyscho girlfriend or threatening letters from the IRS or Law firm...

[Nestor]

"If you press me, I'll press you" sort of answer from Iran. I can imagine this will cause important economical moves for Europe:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1mqCJ9pCA

[hubird]

If you ask me, Israel will bomb certain nuclear defined objects in Iran in the next future.
You don't need a tsunami to know that.

[valis]

Actually they did just bomb something about a month or so ago, though it wasn't publicly declared (it was yet another 'explosion' at a facility but if you look at the images it's easily compared to similar bombings elsewhere). Not to mention the 'deaths' of certain Iranian scientists..for which there have now been several recent attempts on isreali diplomats on foreign soil.

[Nestor]

Here you have what for me it is an intelligent approach to Syria and Iran conflicts. I wish he was the president of the United States at this moment; but well, he would probably be doing exactly the same thing, forced by those who are in charge after all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 033M6wqNCI

[garyb]

old Pat isn't really a very good guy.

this is the problem. it's the way certain tribes of chimpanzees who live with baboon troupes hunt for baboon meat for fun and tasty side dishes. one or two chimps go in front of the baboons and roll around and act silly. then another sneaks up behind a baboon who is mesmerized by the spectacle and BOOM! he smashes the baboon's skull, so fast no one is sure what just happened. then comes the feast, enjoyed at leisure. the baboons are a little confused, but since the didn't see exactly what happened, they go about their business, a little nervous, perhaps, but that passes...

[hubird]

Buchanan is a stupid loser.
He hates homosexuals, and aids is the punishment by nature for 'onnatural' sexual behaviour of homosexuals.
He's just scum if you ask me.

He's also just another catholic archconservative, without any eye for modern liberal devellopments at the lower ranges of the church.
If you wish him as president for the Us then congrats with your choice.

Politically he's loving the approach of protectionism and isolationism, not really wise choices today in a globalised economy.

Yes, he was against the Golf war and the Iraki war, but not because he's a peace loving angel but because of oldstyle protectionism and hate against 'foreigners' (immigrants).

Dive deeper.

[dawman]

Personally these clowns are contraversial and they are well paid to distract and divide us as nobody in the media finds a working man or women who raise a family as a topic of interest, how boring right....??
Well they never made it to my bedroom to see the Velvet Buzzsaw in action, but that's a seperate matter.
We only see the far left freak show and far right messengers of God who think that he was a White Guy with a gray beard.

Thankfully when I travelled Europe and little kids liked Rocky and played in the streets, adults loved Reagan and wore Cowboy Hats, and least in Germany and Belgium at the time, but the wall just came down, so the Joe Bob thing was probably a fad. Now I would be embarrassed to travel there thanks to our " authorities. " Besides coke is cheap in Sinaloa, and the babes are plentiful. That's right I am single again and life is great. I need a rich gal though, as romance w/o finance is a nuisance.

Any ways, the media succeeds in distracting us from the real issues. Gay rights doesn't bother or concern Americans, except in the movies and the media. But showing us how many trillions we are printing and sending to Europe since 2010 is not what the media is told to show. Their Government and Corporate sponsors make sure the distractions are one after another. Everything is a crisis, racism is rampid, yadda, yadda. My son and his friends never hear of racism except from the black slave owners in DC, and yes the " authorities."
And they are so successful, as here we are talking about an inconsequentail, contraversial ancient white man, who probably doesn't even believe the shit he rattles off of his lips. He probably has young boyfriends in far away places and takes steam baths so he can make sure there's no cameras, etc.

Who prints the money........? That's where the action is. The guys from around the globe that get choppered onto the roof of ClubFed from Andrews AFB are who we really need to watch.

And since you seem to watch the LameStream media I can explain the reason why immigrants are always a topic during an election cycle, then after the new liar gets into office, all is forgotten except the status quo. Liberals love immigrants as they have a reason to spend tax dollars with no accountability, they also need the SocSecurity taxes. If an illegal uses false information guess what...? They cannot collect the money, this is why Labor Unions and SEIU loves illegal immigrants. They never can collect their pensions or SocSecurity. Bet they don't tell you that on the " media " you waste time watching. The wealthy Liberals really care about the little people though, just ask them. The other false party, messnegers of God, don't lie about their use of illegals. They're cheap and will work harder than most lazy Government dependants. Once Mexicans and Latinos from Central America get grabbed by the Unions they never work for shitty pay again, hence the need for Chinese cheap Labor. This is the real story, but I doubt MSNBC, NBC, BBC or any other Lame Stream corporate/Government sponsosred media speaks about.

You talk about being mad that you'e referred to as being herded, or a sheep. The comment in dive in, is definately for the sheep and watching whatever nonsense you read on the internet or silly lame stream media show, is far from what an average American sees, or believes.

China is now going to stop importing Iranian Oil, right after the visit form the Vice President came here. See how they balance things out at the UN. Veto the action to save lives in Syria, and Veto anything that causes Iran to think about it;s direction, then side up with the Americans at the right moment to maintain yet another status quo. The world only seems to change according to the media parrots and bloggers. I was creating MIDI tracks in Reaper before this started, and I'll be doing the same thing when this is over, and noting will change except the price of Oil goes up for everyone, and the Feds collect even more taxes, but Lo and Behold right before the election prices will drop and the sheep will be heard BA_BA_BA as they have more bread on the table. Works out really nice for the elites we are ruled by 'eh...?

[Nestor]

I know that my point about Pat is totally utopist and empty of any possible reality . I only wished his words about leaving Syrian and Iran alone where the ones of anyone that could be today the president of the States. But this is a joke, as first of all the president should have the power to actually “preside” his country, but presidents in USA are nothing but puppets for the real powers behind.

[dawman]

I actually had to watch a parrot media program while at the gym this morning and am embarrassed to see these fools talking about Good & Evil and Satan.....
This is 2012 and sure, having a faith in the old texts is fine by me, but using it in politics as a way to appease some Evagelical infiltration is so far out from the way most people think. But it's gets attention in the media to get a rise out of folks and it's truly sad that somewhere in the world others see this sick game.
These guys actually make Obama look like the smartest guy in the room.
And Romney must hate wearing Blue Jeans over the top of his Armani dress pants....

[Nestor]

This adds some pressure to the situation. I remember that when Iraq did not answer to this one, things complicated in those times:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/fe ... CMP=twt_fd

Russian position:

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News ... ?id=258918