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braincell wrote:

garyb wrote: oh and btw-there's still no possible response to the smoking gun on the co2 fakery, or a proper explanation of the midieval warm period or the little ice age following, assuming that there ever was something like "stable climate".

Past climate changes can be measured in several ways. Such measurements concur with each other which is why we think they are accurate. Climate shifts take place over thousands of years not hundreds of years!!!

are you just slow? the midieval warming period into the little ice-age took place over a few hundred years and is well documented historically and scientifically! how long will you try to deny reality just to fit things into your political agenda?

I think he meant "such measurements (taken by people who) concur with each other..."

stardust wrote:gary you are getting into patronizing again.

The little ice age in the middle ages is not explained it is described.

Your agenda of denial of anthropogenic influence to climate changes makes you arrogant again.
Like before you try to silence out sober thinking without evil elite panicking.

You are so keen on explanation, are you ?
Then read some other sources than the usual NWO ones and you can gather at least 5 different theories about that:
volcano
solar activity
civilisation decrease
fluctuation of oceanic fluxes
fluctuation of climate

If you read unbiased you also know that the 'debate' is not confirming that climate change is not man made.
The 'debate' result is that serious (not corrupted) scientist know that the contributions are several sources that supersede.
And noone - also you and the like - dont know which contribution will dominate.
The measurements of the last decades give a clear trend though.

the little ice age was AFTER the middle ages which was a HOT period.

if those can't be explained, only described, then current changes can't be expalined either, only described. there's NO basis to tax people or control their behavior in that case, nor is there cause for panic, during the middle ages HOT period, the land didn't disappear.

Just in - http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/na ... 5821001387

Wait a minute.........that couldn't have been written by an elitist..
I don't believe anything unless Maurice Strong gives it his UN stamp of appoval.
China is a great place for the elite to live as they can afford dozens of slaves and have private meetings on how to scam more money from the various flocks of sheep.
These guys actually have soldiers from the Red Army guarding their residence.....
I guess they have something to be worried about.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17900

New Scientist as source?

They are now questioning things themselves - http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... ation.html

Look at the name of the company that owns the site "Business Information Ltd". This is a biased publication obviously if it's intended for businesses. All they care about is making money at any cost on the backs of the public and to the detriment of the environment. I would not be surprised if a lobby group organizer is behind it. It's just too bad they managed through all these lies to brainwash so many people.

My electricity went out for 4 hours last night. It was so cold in my house. It goes out on average 12 hours a year. Today I have to go to the DMV to get a new drivers license. I thought I could renew it online but they neglected to tell me if you are even one day late, you have to show up in person with documentation "to prove you are a citizen". I hate this country! They are so worried about terrorism and meanwhile they let the infrastructure fall apart. These lobby groups are all about giving absolute power to greedy corporations and having the government do nothing. It started with Reagan and his proclamation "We need to get the government off the backs of the American people." The greedy bastards and their rural inbred dupes must be stopped!

first off, who sponsors the "green agenda" but the Rothschilds and oil companies and other "greedy corporations" themselves?

second, the "inbreds" are the rulers. THEY ARE THE ONLY TRUE INBREDS.

i guess actual thought isn't required to be politically correct....

I heard land is cheap in Mexico...

Long lines where one waits to talk to a Government employee who were hired because of race or some politically correct idiom, are just Uncle Sams way of teaching those who pay their bills late a lesson....
I often pondered working for Uncle Sam as I could get a gig really quick since I am a Gay Sicilian Jew.
God I love America...

and here's actual proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyN1O-GwALI

braincell wrote:Look at the name of the company that owns the site "Business Information Ltd". This is a biased publication obviously if it's intended for businesses. All they care about is making money at any cost on the backs of the public and to the detriment of the environment. I would not be surprised if a lobby group organizer is behind it. It's just too bad they managed through all these lies to brainwash so many people.

My electricity went out for 4 hours last night. It was so cold in my house. It goes out on average 12 hours a year. Today I have to go to the DMV to get a new drivers license. I thought I could renew it online but they neglected to tell me if you are even one day late, you have to show up in person with documentation "to prove you are a citizen". I hate this country! They are so worried about terrorism and meanwhile they let the infrastructure fall apart. These lobby groups are all about giving absolute power to greedy corporations and having the government do nothing. It started with Reagan and his proclamation "We need to get the government off the backs of the American people." The greedy bastards and their rural inbred dupes must be stopped!

Pretty twisted logic there, since it's the increased bloat of the government (no longer OF THE PEOPLE) that is driving things. In this instance Reagan was right - accept that in his case it was all words as much as Obomba's words have now been proven shallow.

Gotta distinguish a COUNTRY of PEOPLE from the corporate entity, federal-reserve fueled elitist machine (that IS NOT part of the US government). And these elitist 'inbreds' are mostly in the cities. The rural people you blame are mostly outside having any play or say so in what's happening, and are definitely ignorant of what's really happening.

...and being a Citizen is a right, not a privilege as they now portend.

The terrorism is bred and fueled in order to brainwash us into compliance with a system that has gradually and incrementally eradicated our rights - like one guy having poop-bombs in his underwear causing people to accept standing naked in front of machines at the airport. It's compartmentalized incrementalism creeping up on us in slow motion so that we don't see it.

If you keep giving more and more power over to the government (who REALLY loves you), <and their bought-n-paid for scientists>, then you get what you got.

One day it's driver's licenses, and the next it'll be chips in our hands.

The inbreds that consider themselves to be 'elitist' depend on humans being afraid, ignorant, unable to think for themselves, and to take everything at face value.

Greg

well said, Greg - and it seems so simple...

cheers, Tom

Reagan was an a-hole and he began the decline of the U.S.A. which seems to have no end in sight. He was a total idiot/moron. Elitists are not inbreds because they aren't xenophobic like middle America is.

I had to prove I was a citizen 5 years ago and now I have to do it again because I was one day late for renewing my license which the day before I could have done online and they would have used my old photo. Why is the DMV in the terrorism fighting business? I drove 40 minutes only to be told to go home because their camera was broken. Fucking imbeciles! I was born here and have been living here for 50 years and twice I am asked to prove I am a citizen. This is an insult! I hate this fucking country! You are not allowed to smile for the photo because the facial recognition software doesn't like it. That is also a part of their terrorist tracking program. Meanwhile thousands die on the road or are murdered by fellow citizens but that is accepted. Billions spent in Afghanistan and Iraq to the detriment of our nation and my taxes pay for it!!! This is an outrage!!!

meanwhile <ahem> to back on topic...

Been hit by El Nino conditions here for the past week. Heavy rains (which we need), and high-winds.

These three storms are heading East.

G

braincell wrote:Reagan was an a-hole and he began the decline of the U.S.A. which seems to have no end in sight. He was a total idiot/moron.

The decline started WAY before Reagan.

what's the line from that song?....

"unpredictable as weather"

Here's the late great Walter Cronkite speaking on " Global Warming. "

http://www.moviesounds.com/vietnam/weather.wav