Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:53 am
If the cold had got them, there´d be some more media presence.
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:53 am
I'm sure they would. Media is fair and balanced.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:08 pm
California wildfires force 250,000 to evacuate
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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Fast-moving wildfires raged across Southern California on Monday, forcing at least 250,000 people to flee their homes and destroying hundreds of buildings as desperate fire officials called for help from other states.
More than a dozen separate fires, driven by dry, gale-force Santa Ana winds, burned out of control across the drought-stricken southern half of the state, charring an estimated 200,000 acres, killing at least one person and injuring a number of others.
"It's a tragic time for California," said Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who declared a state of emergency in seven California counties.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:15 pm
thos things were already clear back in the 70s...ervery mov you make now come already too late and wouldn`t change anything. I`m glad, that I have no kids...because they wil lhave to deal with it. You will be the last to get a funeral you like.
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:33 pm
I disagree. The more we postpone the necessary changes the more future generations will suffer.thos things were already clear back in the 70s...ervery mov you make now come already too late and wouldn`t change anything. I`m glad, that I have no kids...because they wil lhave to deal with it. You will be the last to get a funeral you like.
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:49 pm
this has nothing to do with humans. there is little or nothing to be done about it.
why are the ice caps on Mars and the moons of Saturn melting?
in the 1600s there was a mini ice age in europe. lands froze that had always been warm(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age). now, it's getting hot again. THAT'S WHAT THE WEATHER DOES.
the California fires are in the exact same places that they are every year. there were fires there last year, the year before and the year before that and so on. the difference this year is that there are new houses built there. how incredibly stupid to build in a spot where it burns every year....
don't you DARE(anyone) call me an energy waster or oil lover. my car runs on USED vegetable oil and my home and studio are powered by solar, motherf####r.
why are the ice caps on Mars and the moons of Saturn melting?
in the 1600s there was a mini ice age in europe. lands froze that had always been warm(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age). now, it's getting hot again. THAT'S WHAT THE WEATHER DOES.
the California fires are in the exact same places that they are every year. there were fires there last year, the year before and the year before that and so on. the difference this year is that there are new houses built there. how incredibly stupid to build in a spot where it burns every year....
don't you DARE(anyone) call me an energy waster or oil lover. my car runs on USED vegetable oil and my home and studio are powered by solar, motherf####r.
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:00 pm
It can't burn every year in the same spot, there's nothing left to burn....
But go ahead and tell us more conspiracy stories
But go ahead and tell us more conspiracy stories
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:12 pm
The countdown started, mass movements, war, famine and end.
Mmm, 50-100 years.
Thanks to all the politicians.
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Mmm, 50-100 years.
Thanks to all the politicians.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:19 pm
Some more "normal according to Gary" "yearly Californian fires" pictures:
Deny this Gary!
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:25 pm
there are no forests there, just scrub and chaparral( http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org/chaparral.htm ). it's normal for it to burn. in fact, some species depend on fire for propagation...of course many of the fires are arson(every year). this stuff goes up in flames quickly and easily as it dies and dries in the sun every summer...the autumn winds here are known as "Santana" winds(sometimes confused for "Santa Ana"), as in "devil winds" .a small hobo campfire or firecracker or even a peice of glass in the sun can spark an inferno covering acres in minutes with hot Santanas fanning the flames.
edit-of course damage dollar figures are high. i already told you that NEW houses are being burnt. i live here fart face. i'm breathing smoke right now.
edit-of course damage dollar figures are high. i already told you that NEW houses are being burnt. i live here fart face. i'm breathing smoke right now.
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:59 pm
more on fires, found easily(in the first place i looked the old wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral ):
Ecology of fire in chaparral
Chaparral is one of the most fire-prone plant communities in North America. As a consequence, since an increasing number of developments are pushing into the backcountry along what is known as the wildland-urban interface, management of the system has become increasingly important.
There are two assumptions relating to California chaparral fire regimes that appear to have caused considerable confusion and controversy within the fields of wildfire and land management: first, older stands of chaparral become “senescent” or “decadent” implying they need fire to remain healthy (Hanes 1971), and second, fire suppression policies have allowed chaparral to accumulate unnatural levels of fuel leading to larger fires (Minnich 1983).
The perspective that older chaparral is unhealthy or unproductive may have originated during the 1940s when studies were conducted measuring the amount of forage available to deer populations in chaparral stands. However, according to recent studies, California chaparral is extraordinarily resilient to very long periods without fire (Keeley, J.E., A.H. Pfaff, and H.D. Safford 2005) and continues to maintain productive growth throughout pre-fire conditions (Hubbard 1986, Larigauderie et al. 1990). Seeds of many chaparral plants actually require 30 years or more worth of accumulated leaf litter before they will successfully germinate (e.g. scrub oak: Quercus berberidifolia, toyon: Heteromeles arbutifolia, holly-leafed cherry: Prunus ilicifolia). When intervals between fires drop below 10 to 15 years, many chaparral species are eliminated and the system is typically replaced by non-native, weedy grassland (Haidinger and Keeley 1993, Keeley 1995, Zedler 1995).
The idea that older chaparral is responsible for causing large fires was originally proposed in the 1980’s by comparing wildfires in Baja California and southern California. It was suggested that fire suppression activities in southern California allowed more fuel to accumulate which in turn led to larger fires (in Baja, fires often burn without active suppression efforts). This is similar to the argument that fire suppression in western United States has allowed Ponderosa Pine forests to become “overstocked.” In the past, surface-fires burned through these forests at intervals of anywhere between 4 and 36 years, clearing out the understory and creating a more ecologically balanced system. However, chaparral has a crown-fire regime, meaning fires consume the entire system whenever they burn. Detailed analysis of historical fire data has shown that fire suppression activities have failed to exclude fire from southern California chaparral as they have in Ponderosa Pine forests (Keeley et al. 1999). In addition, the number of fires is increasing in step with population growth. Overall, chaparral stand age does not have a significant correlation to its tendency to burn (Moritz et al. 2004). Low humidity, low fuel moisture, and high winds appear to be the primary factors in determining when a chaparral stand burns.
as you can see, fire is not uncommon, it is normal and part of the landscape, and people building in high fire areas makes fires more likely. a hot dry summer does make the situation worse, but i never said the planet isn't warming. i said the planet always warms and cools dramaticly depending mostly on the sun, just like the rest of the solar system(hence the FACT that the moons of Saturn and the ice caps on mars are currently, as we speak, MELTING). europe once was in an endless summer(during the "dark ages!), then an ice-age, now it's in an endless summer, oh well! that's life on this crazy earth! is there any DATA to back this up? a why shore there is! from http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index ... t-history/ for example:
'Well, the scientific literature contains an article in recent issue of the Journal of Climate that may call into question any claims that summer heat is worse now then ever, at least in central Europe. A team of scientists from the Swiss Federal Research Institute gathered 180 cores from larch trees in an attempt to reconstruct summer temperatures over a period greater than 1,000 years. Some of the cores came from trees still growing in Switzerland while other cores came from historic buildings in which the wood certainly would have come from nearby trees. Ultimately, the tree ring data allowed for a summertime reconstruction back to A.D. 755. They were able to calibrate the tree ring record to climate by using historical temperature data for the area from A.D. 1818 to near present. The article contains many pages of material showing how accurately they were able to reconstruct summer temperatures with the tree ring data – the team convincingly shows that the tree rings are very sensitive to summer temperatures and that the tree rings can be used to estimate summer temperatures back to A.D. 755.
Büntgen et al. write “The reconstruction indicates positive temperatures in the tenth and thirteenth century that resemble twentieth-century conditions, and are separated by a prolonged cooling from ~1350 to 1700.” Further, they note “Maximum temperature amplitude over the past 1250 yr is estimated to be 3.1°C between the warmest (1940s) and coldest (1810s) decades.” Also, the team writes “Warm summers seem to coincide with periods of high solar activity, and cold summers vice versa.” '
bingo-no need to be so emotional. to quote Billy Joel, "we didn't start the fire...", well, except for those stupid kids....
Ecology of fire in chaparral
Chaparral is one of the most fire-prone plant communities in North America. As a consequence, since an increasing number of developments are pushing into the backcountry along what is known as the wildland-urban interface, management of the system has become increasingly important.
There are two assumptions relating to California chaparral fire regimes that appear to have caused considerable confusion and controversy within the fields of wildfire and land management: first, older stands of chaparral become “senescent” or “decadent” implying they need fire to remain healthy (Hanes 1971), and second, fire suppression policies have allowed chaparral to accumulate unnatural levels of fuel leading to larger fires (Minnich 1983).
The perspective that older chaparral is unhealthy or unproductive may have originated during the 1940s when studies were conducted measuring the amount of forage available to deer populations in chaparral stands. However, according to recent studies, California chaparral is extraordinarily resilient to very long periods without fire (Keeley, J.E., A.H. Pfaff, and H.D. Safford 2005) and continues to maintain productive growth throughout pre-fire conditions (Hubbard 1986, Larigauderie et al. 1990). Seeds of many chaparral plants actually require 30 years or more worth of accumulated leaf litter before they will successfully germinate (e.g. scrub oak: Quercus berberidifolia, toyon: Heteromeles arbutifolia, holly-leafed cherry: Prunus ilicifolia). When intervals between fires drop below 10 to 15 years, many chaparral species are eliminated and the system is typically replaced by non-native, weedy grassland (Haidinger and Keeley 1993, Keeley 1995, Zedler 1995).
The idea that older chaparral is responsible for causing large fires was originally proposed in the 1980’s by comparing wildfires in Baja California and southern California. It was suggested that fire suppression activities in southern California allowed more fuel to accumulate which in turn led to larger fires (in Baja, fires often burn without active suppression efforts). This is similar to the argument that fire suppression in western United States has allowed Ponderosa Pine forests to become “overstocked.” In the past, surface-fires burned through these forests at intervals of anywhere between 4 and 36 years, clearing out the understory and creating a more ecologically balanced system. However, chaparral has a crown-fire regime, meaning fires consume the entire system whenever they burn. Detailed analysis of historical fire data has shown that fire suppression activities have failed to exclude fire from southern California chaparral as they have in Ponderosa Pine forests (Keeley et al. 1999). In addition, the number of fires is increasing in step with population growth. Overall, chaparral stand age does not have a significant correlation to its tendency to burn (Moritz et al. 2004). Low humidity, low fuel moisture, and high winds appear to be the primary factors in determining when a chaparral stand burns.
as you can see, fire is not uncommon, it is normal and part of the landscape, and people building in high fire areas makes fires more likely. a hot dry summer does make the situation worse, but i never said the planet isn't warming. i said the planet always warms and cools dramaticly depending mostly on the sun, just like the rest of the solar system(hence the FACT that the moons of Saturn and the ice caps on mars are currently, as we speak, MELTING). europe once was in an endless summer(during the "dark ages!), then an ice-age, now it's in an endless summer, oh well! that's life on this crazy earth! is there any DATA to back this up? a why shore there is! from http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index ... t-history/ for example:
'Well, the scientific literature contains an article in recent issue of the Journal of Climate that may call into question any claims that summer heat is worse now then ever, at least in central Europe. A team of scientists from the Swiss Federal Research Institute gathered 180 cores from larch trees in an attempt to reconstruct summer temperatures over a period greater than 1,000 years. Some of the cores came from trees still growing in Switzerland while other cores came from historic buildings in which the wood certainly would have come from nearby trees. Ultimately, the tree ring data allowed for a summertime reconstruction back to A.D. 755. They were able to calibrate the tree ring record to climate by using historical temperature data for the area from A.D. 1818 to near present. The article contains many pages of material showing how accurately they were able to reconstruct summer temperatures with the tree ring data – the team convincingly shows that the tree rings are very sensitive to summer temperatures and that the tree rings can be used to estimate summer temperatures back to A.D. 755.
Büntgen et al. write “The reconstruction indicates positive temperatures in the tenth and thirteenth century that resemble twentieth-century conditions, and are separated by a prolonged cooling from ~1350 to 1700.” Further, they note “Maximum temperature amplitude over the past 1250 yr is estimated to be 3.1°C between the warmest (1940s) and coldest (1810s) decades.” Also, the team writes “Warm summers seem to coincide with periods of high solar activity, and cold summers vice versa.” '
bingo-no need to be so emotional. to quote Billy Joel, "we didn't start the fire...", well, except for those stupid kids....
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:43 am
I wonder, how many fires have been started to get money from the insurance companies.
In Germany its quite common to betray the insurance and the state.
When you are running a recycling company or a little company specialized in wooden funiture in an urban region, every two years those companies are burning to the ground - Reopening with the name of the wife or other kinsfolk included.
In Germany its quite common to betray the insurance and the state.
When you are running a recycling company or a little company specialized in wooden funiture in an urban region, every two years those companies are burning to the ground - Reopening with the name of the wife or other kinsfolk included.
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:36 am
Is your computer on fire? Or maybe your gheto by the sea is burning?garyb wrote:there are no forests there, just scrub and chaparral( http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org/chaparral.htm ). it's normal for it to burn. in fact, some species depend on fire for propagation...of course many of the fires are arson(every year). this stuff goes up in flames quickly and easily as it dies and dries in the sun every summer...the autumn winds here are known as "Santana" winds(sometimes confused for "Santa Ana"), as in "devil winds" .a small hobo campfire or firecracker or even a peice of glass in the sun can spark an inferno covering acres in minutes with hot Santanas fanning the flames.
edit-of course damage dollar figures are high. i already told you that NEW houses are being burnt. i live here fart face. i'm breathing smoke right now.
How about you read your own links for a change?
Or maybe you thought will skip reading your links since your name is Gary...
The plants that live in the Chaparral are oaks, pines and mahoganies, and brush such as narrow leaf golden brush.
Humans have hurt the California chaparral by cutting down the trees which the birds and animals live in. People are cutting down the trees because they need fire wood and pasture.
New houses are burned?
You're such funny man and a compulsive bamboozler
.Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:52 am
LOS ANGELES --Half a million Californians have been ordered to evacuate their homes and flee the spreading wildfires blazing across southern California Tuesday, US media reported.
The Los Angeles Times reported that the wind-driven infernos have destroyed some 700 houses and businesses (see Gary, you were right, they were all new
The destruction prompted Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to deploy National Guard soldiers to help stretched firefighters.
President George W. Bush declared an emergency in California and ordered federal aid be directed to the fire-stricken region.
At least 13 fires blazed throughout the region, where thousands of firefighters struggled to contain flames and evacuate residents.
Only one person has been killed and more than 20 people injured. Some 260,000 acres (1,000 square kilometers) have been destroyed in the fires, which are among the worst in the state's history.
Many parts of the state, including Los Angeles, have experienced record low rainfalls and record-high temperatures this year, leaving vast swathes of countryside at the mercy of fires.
The flames are being propelled by a seasonal weather system known as "Santa Ana" winds. Authorities recorded powerful gusts of between 60 and 100 miles (97 and 160 kilometers) per hour on Monday. The desert wind is not forecast to diminish until Wednesday.
Local news reported that two big-rig trucks had been knocked over by powerful gusts in the southern California mountain passes near the town of Lake Arrowhead.
"It's a tragic time for California," said California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger after touring charred remains of buildings in the celebrity enclave of Malibu on Monday.
The fires are so vast that several could be seen from space and smoke was so thick in the area that weather radars mistook it for rain clouds.
The White House announced Tuesday that Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) "is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency" in southern California.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingne ... e_id=96308
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:23 am
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:03 am
look bingo, i don't do this often, but i'm gonna do it now F_U and your fear mongering. I LIVE RIGHT HERE, I KNOW WHERE IT BURNS EVERY YEAR. I KNOW PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE EVACUATED, AND I USED TO LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE NOW BURNING CANYONS AND NEARLY HAD TO EVACUATE MYSELF SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THIS IS NORMAL. it's stupid people putting new, expensive houses in the middle of scrub, chaparrel, sage, grass and tumbleweeds that's making this such a disaster. the pines are in the HIGH CHAPPERAL *ssh*le. the LOWER elevations are scrub pines(bushes) a few oaks, and GRASSLAND, TUMBLEWEEDS AND SAGE. haven't you ever seen a cowboy movie?
tell me mister know-it-all, why you're not allowed to smoke cigarrettes outside in Malibu and Santiago canyons this time of year? why do the fire departments have all this heavy equipment and special crews for fighting these kinds of fires? why are there laws requiring homeowners to clear their land if this isn't a constant danger? naturally, this is the worst ever. there are thousands of homes that weren't even there 5 years ago. the next thing will be that since the sand dune cliffs of malibu have burned, there'll be nothing holding the slopes together and there'll be mudslides this winter, just like usual. you'd think such expensive homes would be built upon rock, not scrub and sand...
just posting scary pictures and stats proves nothing except for your gullibility or the fact that you don't care what the truth is, as long as you are seen as correct.
let me ask you mr. clown, since you are such an anti global warming , caring kind of guy, what powers your household and vehicle? i'm betting you are hypocrite #1, powered by coal and petroleum exclusively......
but don't think your trolling has me angry, i'm not. i just think that you're a zombie and it doesn't matter what i say to a zombie, the reaction will be the same. you still haven't explained why, if humans are the main cause of "global warming", the rest of the solar system is also heating up.
also, i do reads what i post(although these links are usually posted for convienience not because they are an ultimate source of info). i don't think you do, otherwise you would have read this:
“The reconstruction indicates positive temperatures in the tenth and thirteenth century that resemble twentieth-century conditions, and are separated by a prolonged cooling from ~1350 to 1700.” Further, they note “Maximum temperature amplitude over the past 1250 yr is estimated to be 3.1°C between the warmest (1940s) and coldest (1810s) decades.” Also, the team writes “Warm summers seem to coincide with periods of high solar activity, and cold summers vice versa.”
who do you work for? i see that you have a "degree"(masonic term), which means that you sat with a mitre on your head(another masonic item, the thing that holds the bricks and mortar. in masonic terms, your natural head had been nicely squared off, which is called the perfected "ashler stone", in other words, literally a block head.)
once again, it was unessessary to get so emotional and personal because you disagree(it's very possible, in this case probable, like 100%, that you are wrong). YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE SO RUDE YOU BIG BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, i've done you no wrong. what are you mad about, that you need to try to insult me? that the sun and not your fellow humans are a bigger influence in the temperature of the planet(excepting for weapons systems)? too bad. change your diaper.
tell me mister know-it-all, why you're not allowed to smoke cigarrettes outside in Malibu and Santiago canyons this time of year? why do the fire departments have all this heavy equipment and special crews for fighting these kinds of fires? why are there laws requiring homeowners to clear their land if this isn't a constant danger? naturally, this is the worst ever. there are thousands of homes that weren't even there 5 years ago. the next thing will be that since the sand dune cliffs of malibu have burned, there'll be nothing holding the slopes together and there'll be mudslides this winter, just like usual. you'd think such expensive homes would be built upon rock, not scrub and sand...
just posting scary pictures and stats proves nothing except for your gullibility or the fact that you don't care what the truth is, as long as you are seen as correct.
let me ask you mr. clown, since you are such an anti global warming , caring kind of guy, what powers your household and vehicle? i'm betting you are hypocrite #1, powered by coal and petroleum exclusively......
but don't think your trolling has me angry, i'm not. i just think that you're a zombie and it doesn't matter what i say to a zombie, the reaction will be the same. you still haven't explained why, if humans are the main cause of "global warming", the rest of the solar system is also heating up.
also, i do reads what i post(although these links are usually posted for convienience not because they are an ultimate source of info). i don't think you do, otherwise you would have read this:
“The reconstruction indicates positive temperatures in the tenth and thirteenth century that resemble twentieth-century conditions, and are separated by a prolonged cooling from ~1350 to 1700.” Further, they note “Maximum temperature amplitude over the past 1250 yr is estimated to be 3.1°C between the warmest (1940s) and coldest (1810s) decades.” Also, the team writes “Warm summers seem to coincide with periods of high solar activity, and cold summers vice versa.”
who do you work for? i see that you have a "degree"(masonic term), which means that you sat with a mitre on your head(another masonic item, the thing that holds the bricks and mortar. in masonic terms, your natural head had been nicely squared off, which is called the perfected "ashler stone", in other words, literally a block head.)
once again, it was unessessary to get so emotional and personal because you disagree(it's very possible, in this case probable, like 100%, that you are wrong). YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE SO RUDE YOU BIG BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, i've done you no wrong. what are you mad about, that you need to try to insult me? that the sun and not your fellow humans are a bigger influence in the temperature of the planet(excepting for weapons systems)? too bad. change your diaper.
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:34 am
I have nothing against emotions. And I don't have a car. And I'm not lying about it.
What you constantly are doing is deceive people with your guacamole theories. When your links disprove your points you go for dirty, personal attacks. Nothing new.
So according to yo, 500,000 Californians evacuate every fall which should be normal because they live in "chapperal"?!
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What you constantly are doing is deceive people with your guacamole theories. When your links disprove your points you go for dirty, personal attacks. Nothing new.
So according to yo, 500,000 Californians evacuate every fall which should be normal because they live in "chapperal"?!
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:00 pm
don't be stupid.
i never said those things. i did say 500,000 are evacuated because there are thousands of new homes built where it burns every year, but most of those evacuated aren't in any immediate danger. living in chicago, you have no idea what kind of construction has been happening here.
c'mon google fire records for california, i dare ya. from this websitei found this:
Ecologists have long known that chaparral ecosystems burn extensively and often, and much of the dominant vegetation in these systems is highly adapted to a fire-prone environment. Many plants have seeds that require fire to germinate, or need the kind of disturbed habitat fires leave behind in order to grow.
WERC research has explored the physiological adaptations that link the life cycles of chaparral vegetation with the natural regime of frequent brushfires. Upon reproduction, many species drop seeds that remain dormant in the soil "seed bank" until fire creates favorable growth conditions. When the area burns, these seeds receive a number of cues that may cause them to germinate. While seed germination in some species is stimulated by heat, in many others the onset of plant growth requires chemical exposure to combustion products such as charred wood.
In collaboration with California State University, Los Angeles, WERC research demonstrated that for many species, smoke can also trigger seed germination. In some species smoke alone is sufficient to induce growth, while in others a combination of factors is required. Because of the diverse cues through which vegetation may respond to fire, blazes of different intensities or degrees of smoke production may result in different plants dominating the post-fire recovery. Nitrogen oxides, which are also important components of air pollution, are the chemicals in smoke responsible for germination of some species.
Life and property losses from shrubland fires in California have been increasing in recent decades. It has long been thought that fire suppression has played the same role in chaparral shrubland as it has in forests, creating a build-up of fuels that eventually leads to more destructive fires.
A close analysis of state fire records reveals a different story, according to a WERC study. Since 1910, chaparral fire frequency has not changed and fire size has not increased. The researchers found that large, intense fires were equally common in the years before widespread fire suppression as today, and do not appear to be the result of fuels build-up. In this highly fire-prone ecosystem, suppression efforts appear not to have greatly altered normal patterns of fire incidence
and then i googled this from 2003(since the first article quoted was from 2003 and said that fires had been the same since 1910) to see if 2007 looked remotely like 2003, and lo and behold:
Deadly wildfires have charred more than 300,000 acres
Monday, October 27, 2003 Posted: 10:06 PM EST (0306 GMT)
DEVORE, California (CNN) -- Wildfires engulfing huge swaths of Southern California have killed at least 14 people and sent tens of thousands seeking refuge.
The state's deadliest blazes in more than a decade raged through areas as far north as Simi Valley in Ventura County, east to San Bernardino County and south to San Diego County -- scorching more than 300,000 acres.
Weather forecasts indicate more hot and dry conditions that will mix with the Santa Ana winds and could fan the flames that have reached 100 feet tall in places.
President Bush declared Los Angeles, San Bernardino, San Diego and Ventura counties major disaster areas Monday, opening the way for federal dollars for governments, businesses and people affected by the fires.
California Gov. Gray Davis, who has declared states of emergency in those counties, activated the National Guard to help with disaster relief. Davis said 135 fire engines from other areas -- including Nevada and Arizona -- are headed to San Diego County.
More than 8,000 firefighters were trying to contain at least 10 fires in the region early Monday. But Dallas Jones, director of the Governor's Office for Emergency Services, said most of the fires were less than 20 percent contained, and some weren't contained at all.
The fires have destroyed more than 1,000 homes and left tens of thousands in houses without electricity.
such short memories....
you don't have a car, but what powers your transportation? natural gas? petroleum? how does the food reach your table? how are the plastics in the keyboard that spews your screed made and from what? don't feel too bad though, at least "global warming" isn't your fault.
and speaking of all this, you still haven't addressed the fact that all of the ice and frozen methane in this solar system is melting from mars to saturn. how does this figure that the rest of the solar system is heating up at the same rate as the earth?
i never said those things. i did say 500,000 are evacuated because there are thousands of new homes built where it burns every year, but most of those evacuated aren't in any immediate danger. living in chicago, you have no idea what kind of construction has been happening here.
c'mon google fire records for california, i dare ya. from this websitei found this:
Ecologists have long known that chaparral ecosystems burn extensively and often, and much of the dominant vegetation in these systems is highly adapted to a fire-prone environment. Many plants have seeds that require fire to germinate, or need the kind of disturbed habitat fires leave behind in order to grow.
WERC research has explored the physiological adaptations that link the life cycles of chaparral vegetation with the natural regime of frequent brushfires. Upon reproduction, many species drop seeds that remain dormant in the soil "seed bank" until fire creates favorable growth conditions. When the area burns, these seeds receive a number of cues that may cause them to germinate. While seed germination in some species is stimulated by heat, in many others the onset of plant growth requires chemical exposure to combustion products such as charred wood.
In collaboration with California State University, Los Angeles, WERC research demonstrated that for many species, smoke can also trigger seed germination. In some species smoke alone is sufficient to induce growth, while in others a combination of factors is required. Because of the diverse cues through which vegetation may respond to fire, blazes of different intensities or degrees of smoke production may result in different plants dominating the post-fire recovery. Nitrogen oxides, which are also important components of air pollution, are the chemicals in smoke responsible for germination of some species.
Life and property losses from shrubland fires in California have been increasing in recent decades. It has long been thought that fire suppression has played the same role in chaparral shrubland as it has in forests, creating a build-up of fuels that eventually leads to more destructive fires.
A close analysis of state fire records reveals a different story, according to a WERC study. Since 1910, chaparral fire frequency has not changed and fire size has not increased. The researchers found that large, intense fires were equally common in the years before widespread fire suppression as today, and do not appear to be the result of fuels build-up. In this highly fire-prone ecosystem, suppression efforts appear not to have greatly altered normal patterns of fire incidence
and then i googled this from 2003(since the first article quoted was from 2003 and said that fires had been the same since 1910) to see if 2007 looked remotely like 2003, and lo and behold:
Deadly wildfires have charred more than 300,000 acres
Monday, October 27, 2003 Posted: 10:06 PM EST (0306 GMT)
DEVORE, California (CNN) -- Wildfires engulfing huge swaths of Southern California have killed at least 14 people and sent tens of thousands seeking refuge.
The state's deadliest blazes in more than a decade raged through areas as far north as Simi Valley in Ventura County, east to San Bernardino County and south to San Diego County -- scorching more than 300,000 acres.
Weather forecasts indicate more hot and dry conditions that will mix with the Santa Ana winds and could fan the flames that have reached 100 feet tall in places.
President Bush declared Los Angeles, San Bernardino, San Diego and Ventura counties major disaster areas Monday, opening the way for federal dollars for governments, businesses and people affected by the fires.
California Gov. Gray Davis, who has declared states of emergency in those counties, activated the National Guard to help with disaster relief. Davis said 135 fire engines from other areas -- including Nevada and Arizona -- are headed to San Diego County.
More than 8,000 firefighters were trying to contain at least 10 fires in the region early Monday. But Dallas Jones, director of the Governor's Office for Emergency Services, said most of the fires were less than 20 percent contained, and some weren't contained at all.
The fires have destroyed more than 1,000 homes and left tens of thousands in houses without electricity.
such short memories....
you don't have a car, but what powers your transportation? natural gas? petroleum? how does the food reach your table? how are the plastics in the keyboard that spews your screed made and from what? don't feel too bad though, at least "global warming" isn't your fault.
and speaking of all this, you still haven't addressed the fact that all of the ice and frozen methane in this solar system is melting from mars to saturn. how does this figure that the rest of the solar system is heating up at the same rate as the earth?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:20 pm
you guys should be banned for bashing...
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:30 pm
i'm not bashing, nor am i angry. i hope my meaning is not lost in translation. the only thing i am arguing is an idea.
no sour grapes here..
no sour grapes here..