NOAA: last decade was warmest, global warming "undeniable"

[Zer]

http://www.scienceblogs.de/primaklima/2 ... tefanp.php

[garyb]

The biggest problem of the world is still the human overpopulation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW-JvQ8R ... r_embedded

that's what the quasi eugenicists like Thomas Malthus used to say, too. they had beautiful charts and math that proved that Europe would be overrun by the starving poor by the mid 1800's. lies then, lies now. the Earth is nowhere near carrying capacity, and the shortages are ALL man-made. the folks in charge need to keep the population level down and manageable. usually wars are good for that(murdering the young and strong males), but due to industrialization and the fact that very few slaves are required in this time, a more systematic method of population reduction is required, or that's what the folks in charge have been saying for a while now, anyway...

[eliam]

hence the massive vicious vaccination attacks targeted against young children, pregnant women and healthy individuals. These guys are so brazen, they hardly hide anymore, going out in the open declaring war on mankind... Anyone can see their nefarious plans backfiring in their asses... They're desperate even if they don't want to let it show, but they are totally freaking out, especially in the States with this patriotic uprising -God bless these patriots! I saw this documentary about the tea party movement and it filled me with such hope for our future...

[braincell]

hence the massive vicious vaccination attacks targeted against young children, pregnant women and healthy individuals. These guys are so brazen, they hardly hide anymore, going out in the open declaring war on mankind... Anyone can see their nefarious plans backfiring in their asses... They're desperate even if they don't want to let it show, but they are totally freaking out, especially in the States with this patriotic uprising -God bless these patriots! I saw this documentary about the tea party movement and it filled me with such hope for our future...

The Tea Party and their brethren libertarians such as Rand Paul are crackpots. It would be funny if they were not so dangerous. There are enough angry racists to make them a threat to our country and the world. The Tea Party is full of global warming deniers and they also publicly deny evolution. You can expect ignorant people like this will be the norm unless we improve our schools and turn out better educated voters.

Warmer Arctic, Melting Sea Ice Likely Permanent: NOAA

Posted on: Friday, 22 October 2010, 06:15 CDT

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/19 ... nent_noaa/

[garyb]

the NOAA has already been discredited because of faulty and even faked science.

it's only the ignorant public who still believes them. this proves Goebbels' concept of the "great lie".

[valis]

Braincell, a few statements picking straw men and vague overly broad topics to associate them with, and correlating that with other subjects to somehow 'implicate' the whole lot of (people who don't exist outside of abstract set theory or) something....wrapped up in a tidy bow of 'see this proof of <*insert event that only happens in intervals longer than the modern attention span*>'...?

You're not even trying with your occasional forays into our realm these days, sad.

[dawman]

Its sad to hear about the Ice melting.
I will sorely miss the Ice Parrot species that is sure to suffer from this man made contingency, or was it man made Global Warming...?
Im sorry, I forgot since the rallies Al Gore held in the snow, they had to call it Climate Change.
A name for all seasons.....

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[valis]

On one hand we can look at some of the analysis of how NOAA & co are interpolating data:
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010 ... -too-high/

Or if you already live further north in 'colder' climates, start investing in some of the farming that's expanding into your area if there really is a warming trend (wineries have become popular 100 miles or so south of us for instance.) Heck, there might finally be a use for all that empty space in Canada that's been begging to be stripmined, flattened with carparks and obscured by minimalls & billboards. No?

[garyb]

that article posted by valis led here, which sheds some light on just how data is "adjusted".

[braincell]

Global extinction crisis looms, new study says:

http://tinyurl.com/254zv9x

[dawman]

I would enjoy engaging in any thread when it comes to Marine Sanctuaries and Wildlife Conservation. These are known scientific facts where Humans can actually altered the outcome, and are definately worth the time taken to preserve.

As a child we took trips on I-70 through Kansas and Nebraska.
The Prarie Dogs numbered in the thousands as they would run out in front of cars going 80+ miles an hour, then dash away once the car passed over. We laughed our little butts off as these large rodents were such mischief makers.
The Black Footed Ferrets were rarely seen but survived off of the Prarie Dogs. I never even saw one my entire life and we looked at every rest stop.
The Prarie Dogs numbers have diminished drastically, so naturally the Ferrets started disappearing.
I remember in the 80's they declared both species as endangered.
The Scientists that work to preserve these critters should be applauded for their work.
They actually have proof their work has results.

Perhaps the NOAA and other " Climate Scientists " could verify their methods and results fairly, we could once again give them an ear.
But at this point, I will stick the Scientists that actually do wonders with the Grant money they recieve.

BTW, it rained for 4 days straight in Las Vegas which hasn't happened for 16 years.
Global Warming was the first thing that came to my mind, then I regained my senses and cut the grass.....

[at0m]

On one hand we can look at some of the analysis of how NOAA & co are interpolating data:
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010 ... -too-high/

Or if you already live further north in 'colder' climates, start investing in some of the farming that's expanding into your area if there really is a warming trend (wineries have become popular 100 miles or so south of us for instance.) Heck, there might finally be a use for all that empty space in Canada that's been begging to be stripmined, flattened with carparks and obscured by minimalls & billboards. No?

Putin, though neglecting the snowball effect of the methane stored there, wouldn't mind his northern territories to become a little warmer either

Saw this docu the other day on EU companies (Arcelor Mittal, GDF Suez, BP, BASF, Bayer, Lafarge, Solvay,...) who profile themselves as "green" over here, giving 100k's of $ to one democratic senator (Blanche Lincoln leads 5 other senators) to counter any change in environmental regulations in the US - the docu even suggested their contributions blocked the whole Copenhagen treaty. Good to see they put their tax-free gains (one Umicore devision paid 0.0001% or so tax last year) to good use elsewhere - and never mind seeing our personal taxes go up.
Here such, euh, contributions to politicians are subject to criminal law - we call it corruption. Of course there's ways around that corruption, as politicians seat as advisors in corporate councils and receive a multiple of their politic salary from these corporations.
Welcome to the free world, ruled democratically by the ignorant =]

[garyb]

yeah, atom, not so free...


the reality is, the guys in power are sneaky, just like so many who are not in power. sneaky people are drawn to power, just as child molesters are drawn to children, because sneakiness is usually involved with personal advantage which requires secrets to be maintained, and personal advantage is a prime building block of power.

the reality is, the people in charge often tell lies so bald faced, as to be impossible to be thought of or seen as lies, and yet lies are still lies.

if that reality bites, then so be it. to use another useless meme, it is what it is. i'm not crying, i just am not good at doublethink.

[valis]

Actually I think the main contribution the current US system has made to corruption is just the expediency of the direct path it takes. Why bother with the backroom deals and slow molasses of moving towards a unified EU when you can just head straight to the politician who is 'most aligned' with your needs and get to work? Here in the US it's not even necessary to support a candidate that has any regional bearing on your business or personal life, just as it's not necessary to file suit in an inconvenient court if you're a large enough entity anymore...or worry about pesky statutes and laws that are easily amended when they stand in the way of progress & profit. Heck why even bother with corruption when you can just cut out the middleman and go straight from collecting taxes to giving it to your buddies?

But we're digressing from the parent topic here.

[valis]

This thread shows that you guys are really splendid examples of your tribe or family or country or whatever you prefer.
Really, the attitude you ooze all over the place is something attractive.

Also the forum can be proud of having such considerate and experienced spammers and trolls like you. No I am not talking about braincell

Anytime someone tries to make sense for better, you show up and dump your chauvinist hick or weird conspiracy theorist alibis randomly blended with patriot waffle, pseudo science, jahs ultimate overstanding and plain crackbarrel wisdom.

but reality bites

While sarcasm is always appreciated, I find your concept of 'making sense for better' to be elusive and mired in subjectivity. In fact the whole idea of only 'making sense' when an expressed opinion is in line with yours seems rather...limiting to me. In fact at no point did I find any substantive argument or proposition in your statements, though you show moderate skill in taking the approach of Begging the question in an effort to support this Fallacy of the single cause and possible false dilemma by an opening salvo of Style over substance fallacy and your False surrender followed by Ad hominem statements attempting to Poison the well. It's good though that you excluded talking about braincell and his Argumentum ad populum which is backed by naught more than his Appeal to authority.


What a fallacy to bite of, no?

[valis]

This *is* the OT section, I think even redundancy is probably allowed for the loneliest cells among us.

Now first I still don't detect much in your post beyond focusing your own lense of fallacious rhetoric in reply to me. Also I'm not sure others being in agreement with me equates to being 'buddies' but I appreciate the sentiment (did I have a single stated position though to agree with?) I have no need to 'share the *same* opinion' personally, nor do I need to deride those who differ in opinion. In fact I'm perfectly willing to sit here and read legitimate debate, when I see it. At least braincell's links speak more than the content of most of his posts (and yours above as I apparently expressed via my 'latin skills'?)

To wit, I will continue to post (when it suits) on the fallacies and illogic as I see. The fact that I don't specifically take garyb to task doesn't mean I have a *need* to agree with him on everything. In my case 'global warming' is neither a proven nor disproven 'fact' as much as it's a convenient oversimplification that gets used by 'many sides' and oft pretended as if there are two (those "for" and "against".)

For instance when I point out that politicians use it as a convenient means of politicking, and the financial systems as another means to control trade, I am neither affirming nor denying any 'opinion about the truth of global warming'. One does *not* automatically lead to another, and to state so would be a fallacy on my part.

Pointing out that the literal definition of 'science' also means that there I am simply sugggesitng there is no 'actuality' or 'reality' in our mental maps, that they are state limited and apply on a specific case basis. Pointing out how a system of logic & testing via observation works doesn't PROVE or DISPROVE anything, it merely seeks to illuminate the tools that are being used for what they are. Human tools that get used as we see fit, and often according to our own fallacious & prejudicial opinions (and/or motives.) So you see this also doesn't "disprove" global warming as much as it points out the basis behind THEORY and hypothesis, and to suggest otherwise would be yet again another fallacy.

[garyb]

indeed, but the ideas are vital to the ability to rationally asses the data.

if you can't believe that corruption occurs, then it runs rampant.
if you believe that the US is the source of all or even most corruption, then you must be ignoring history and every day life. it's easy to point at what's obvious(and properly explained by valis's post) and say "there it is, that's where it comes from", and then just stop looking.

look, folks in charge of things at NOAA, NASA, IPCC and every high place in the world have been caught in bald-faced lies over and over. it real and there's no need to deny it. that fact doesn't mean that there aren't good people in those places, dilligently working for the better and best as best they can. real fact and truth make the big lie that much easier to believe. Goebbels, Bernays and many other have written books about such things, but zombies don't posses the intellectual focus to be able to read them, or even read about them, so while the truth is in plain sight, their eyes are blind while wide open and functioning.

the title of this thread is an example of this sheer stupidity. the last decade wasn't even the warmest of the 20th century, let alone earth's history! ANYONE who's even HEARD the word Cretaceous knows that intuitively. anyone who's seen the many available temperature charts of the entire earth's history(as accurate as ANY projection of future mayhem) knows it. if the claim is hottest since the end on the little ice age, well, that hardly bears comment. one would expect a warming trend at the END of a cooling trend.

the public only knows what they are told, what they learn passively. the public doesn't spend time actively learning about anything. the puiblic is ignorant and easily mislead.

[valis]

It's not that I'm bashing just for the 'logical' shortcomings, but I do think when you word things with intent & caution towards your own preconceptions that discussions often take a term for the more ... constructive perhaps? Certainly we can all sit around and agree on this & agree on that or just draw ontological fenceposts in the Off Topic sand so we have a nice round of defending ideological Towers. But bashing the (imo) 'illogic' of that apart isn't so much for amusement as it is just my personal take on things..ie, often the very thing holding me back is only myself. Or to quote R.A.W. again never take other's B.S. (belief systems) completely seriously and above all don't put too much stock into your own B.S. either.

Truth be told I didn't "see" myself as implicated in your posts, rather I took your posts on headfirst and am I'm sure capable of living with the consequences of having my own way with what might have been a nice game of Tower Defense.

In the end I partake in these 'dead circle debates' as you call them because I still find more value in posting here--even in the lamest of discussions--than i do in participating in apeing the US media's penchant for the latest celebrity mockup on TV or gushing over how wonderful/awful the latest Pop Tart is in a 'social network'. But in the end that's still my own Logical Fallacy, as my perception of value is no better or worse than anyone else's and may not even be all that socially acceptable.

[garyb]

eh, i got no time for pollyanaism.

these things aren't nearly as complicated as some people may wish them to be. a lie is still a lie. it doesn't really matter WHO is wrong or right. i'll say this much though, at least braincell is usually posting about a specific thing he has seen and believed, even if he does break down into sectarianism eventually. stardust however, simply attacks the style and/or the percieved intent, rather than the actual content of other posters, never adding a thing to the conversation that may eventually help any and/or all to better understand the issue. his posts are the exact mirror to his description of other posters, which of course is his right and business, i suppose. the thing is, his posts are truly the MOST political, for they try to stifle dissent and disagreement with what he has built personal stock in. that doesn't make him a bad guy necessarily, it just makes much of what he say noise and distraction, because it's about the posters and not the subject at hand.

the topic is whether the last decade was the warmest ever, and whether or not that's "undeniable", not whether or not people stick up for what they believe over and over and whether anything can ever be accomplished in that environment, or whether the people posting on the subject are wasting their, other any other's time.

[dawman]

Troll bashing on the Z is an excellent passtime.
OP is perfect since he drew first blood with insults against the Company I admire, and the usual incorrect, predictions of failure.
Now we have the items that the OP supposedly required to further his musical career yet he prefers posting here as an offchute to his full time blogging of a topic he believes in, yet never engages.
I shall bash him whenever his posts appear, and I will enjoy every passing moment.

The Sun rose 4 minutes later than the last decade here in Las Vegas on this lovely October day.
This is attributed to the ever shrinking Antarctican Mountain peaks caused by the wasteful humans of the Planet.
Al Gore turned on his lights of his 9 million dollar mansion today and 6 Bolivian peasants planted 12 trees to offset his Carbon consumption.
Kamchatkas' 2 Volcanos caused by HARM/ELF Arrays made Putin angry so he had 4 acres of Marijuana planted in the Sonoran Desert in his never ending attempts to de stabilize the West.

http://judithcurry.com/2010/10/25/heres ... -monsters/