you still THINK you control production and resources, human and raw. you don't. there are those who do, however. they also control tv, magazines, newspapers, the internet and your mind. if there is something that needs to be done, they know it. if they don't do it, why blame it on you? these guys certainly know as much of the story as can be known. if they tell you about it, and call you greedy and say you are a plague on the earth and need to be eliminated to solve all the problems, who benefits?
if autos that are wasteful are built, they could just as easily change to less wasteful alternatives and make you WANT the new thing, if they cared to(like with cds...). greed and gluttony are aquired tastes, enabled by societal norms which are instituted.
oil use is not a bigger problem than cutting down all the forests(more co2=more trees and plants=lower temps in the long run, UNLESS you kill all the trees...). both are replenishable. the whole subject is b.s.. people are the victims. the earth will be fine regardless.
the god of death requires human blood, lots of it, and there are those who worship him in exchange for power and might....
Global Warming
Yes & speaking of that dasterdly power & might, I've got to point out a major FACT. ... The US population is 4.574 percent of the Global population of 6,525,170,264 & yet it consumes 25% of Global oil production every year. Go figure.
I'd love to see the facts & figures concerning who's cutting down or responsible for cutting down the most amount of trees. mmm, now who would that be?
I'd love to see the facts & figures concerning who's cutting down or responsible for cutting down the most amount of trees. mmm, now who would that be?
so what if we use 25% of the world's oil? there's an almost endless supply! we've been over this. oil is abiotic, a product of the earth. the reason to stop using all that oil is that it's dirty, not limited.
there's so much oil that refineries were shut down to keep prices up!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4296812.stm
http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/energy/fs/
much of that "dastardly power and might" is wielded by u.k. royalty, european royalty and bankers such as rothschild. check out who actually owns the biggest multinationals. it was henry's bitch daughter elizabeth who made the use of the corporation an art(see privateers) in doing her dirty work. it was fascist italy who defined the modern form.
in america:
the bundle of sticks wrapped with an axe is the roman symbol of civil authority. it is called fasces(fasci plural). notice that the individual sticks which are weak are very powerful bundled together. the power is no help to the sticks, however. it is for the hand which wields them.
everyone THINKS there are different sides to these conflicts, but it's only the common man who must surrender his body in the "ultimate act of sacrifice".
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there's so much oil that refineries were shut down to keep prices up!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4296812.stm
http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/energy/fs/
much of that "dastardly power and might" is wielded by u.k. royalty, european royalty and bankers such as rothschild. check out who actually owns the biggest multinationals. it was henry's bitch daughter elizabeth who made the use of the corporation an art(see privateers) in doing her dirty work. it was fascist italy who defined the modern form.
in america:
the bundle of sticks wrapped with an axe is the roman symbol of civil authority. it is called fasces(fasci plural). notice that the individual sticks which are weak are very powerful bundled together. the power is no help to the sticks, however. it is for the hand which wields them.
everyone THINKS there are different sides to these conflicts, but it's only the common man who must surrender his body in the "ultimate act of sacrifice".
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Eh, no offense, but what if it's another american double bluff like ufos.
"Oh yes oil is abiotic, there's too much of it!! Use all you want, we can't get rid of it fast enough."
... Maybe they want to make more money to build their own paradise, their own NEW WORLD. ... That would take some trickery now, wouldn't it?
..... as petrolium prices soar & the dollar is threatened causing mass spending on illegal wars on other countries (which yes, the brittish are sadly involved in)
Ehhem, so what can we do then Gary? How do we change the capitalist society we live in? How can we take money from the rich & give it to the poor? Can we distribute the world's wealth & start over? Maybe it would take extreme action of some form to achieve that? Would you have to be the one with the most money & power to achieve ANYTHING in terms of changing the fascist picture ???
"Oh yes oil is abiotic, there's too much of it!! Use all you want, we can't get rid of it fast enough."
... Maybe they want to make more money to build their own paradise, their own NEW WORLD. ... That would take some trickery now, wouldn't it?
..... as petrolium prices soar & the dollar is threatened causing mass spending on illegal wars on other countries (which yes, the brittish are sadly involved in)
Ehhem, so what can we do then Gary? How do we change the capitalist society we live in? How can we take money from the rich & give it to the poor? Can we distribute the world's wealth & start over? Maybe it would take extreme action of some form to achieve that? Would you have to be the one with the most money & power to achieve ANYTHING in terms of changing the fascist picture ???
money is an illusion. it is printed by those in charge. there are only a few in charge. they depend on hypnotism to maintain power. they also depend on people to enforce the reality upon the unbelievers. when people tire of slavery, the fixes are quick and easy.
btw- it was the russians who proved that oil was abiotic first. they used this knowledge to discover deep, seemingly unlimited oilfields that weren't even dreamed of before...that's why the former soviet union is swimming in the stuff currently.
btw- it was the russians who proved that oil was abiotic first. they used this knowledge to discover deep, seemingly unlimited oilfields that weren't even dreamed of before...that's why the former soviet union is swimming in the stuff currently.
no, hydrogen, oxygen and carbon are the most common elements in the universe. they combine deep in the earth.
a simple explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
if things like methane are fossil fuel, then how come a planet like jupiter is mostly methane?
a simple explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
if things like methane are fossil fuel, then how come a planet like jupiter is mostly methane?
Of course I was forgeting methane outside Earth.
My chemical knowledge is not deep nor recent and a lot of words in the wikipedia link are out of my English knowledge, so I can't understand it with a simply quick reading. But it clearly ensues that such chemical workings is scientifically accepted, so I've to update my knowledge.
Still have some doubt about times required for abiotic genesis related to oil consumption by human population.
Still don't understand why you admit oil is dirty, but follow to present its use to the bitter end.
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My chemical knowledge is not deep nor recent and a lot of words in the wikipedia link are out of my English knowledge, so I can't understand it with a simply quick reading. But it clearly ensues that such chemical workings is scientifically accepted, so I've to update my knowledge.
Still have some doubt about times required for abiotic genesis related to oil consumption by human population.
Still don't understand why you admit oil is dirty, but follow to present its use to the bitter end.
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Reading again maybe I can understand something more.On 2006-06-29 06:18, Cochise wrote:
Still have some doubt about times required for abiotic genesis related to oil consumption by human population.
Current estimate is based on biogen oilfields; not a great research has done
for abiogen oilfields, so a lot of oil could be there, though in the deep, waiting to be burnt..
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ok, but i never said that we should use lots of oil, only that there was no shortage.
methane is just one example of abiotic hydrocarbon, showing the realness of the possibility. another example is synthetic motoroil and gasoline! they make that stuff all the time AND germany ran it's armies on it in ww2.....
just a fine example of how the popular knowledge is false.
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methane is just one example of abiotic hydrocarbon, showing the realness of the possibility. another example is synthetic motoroil and gasoline! they make that stuff all the time AND germany ran it's armies on it in ww2.....
just a fine example of how the popular knowledge is false.
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bingo, so what? is this the first catastrophic mississippi flood? even without warming do you think it'll be the last? don't build on low ground.....
Cochise-that's my point. if there was an alternative, we'd all use it. people have a right to exist and we're all here now. where are our loving leaders in all this?
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Cochise-that's my point. if there was an alternative, we'd all use it. people have a right to exist and we're all here now. where are our loving leaders in all this?
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people are people...
as a sidenote, not all oil is transformed into gasoline to fuel vehicles, that figure seems to be roughly one tenth globally - just look around you and guess what's not made of plastic fantastic materials
I'd guess that at least 1 third of all diesel is wasted on 'mobile storage' to cut costs on 'just in time' production.
A little more patience that the new harddisk doesn't arrive tomorrow, but next week plus the motivation to pay $5 extra and there's no more need to waste energy and pollute landscapes.
using one's respective car in a reasonable way would cut another 30% of gas consumption, so more than 50% of fuel (diesel plus gas) could be spared without big changes.
But nah - it's fun to accellerate, it's cool to be cool and it's adrenaline to work off aggressions in a car
oops - I missed the point (at least regarding Germany) - the local government cannot afford the spared taxes that less gas consumption will cause...
It would be an economic breakdown as everyone with a calculator can figure out.
but anyway, volunteers ahead who always gather 'for a better world' - here's your chance to do something
I bet that not even 5% would be willing to take the afformentined inconveniences
...and that's why people are people
they need a strong arm to guide, punish and feed them
cheers, Tom
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as a sidenote, not all oil is transformed into gasoline to fuel vehicles, that figure seems to be roughly one tenth globally - just look around you and guess what's not made of plastic fantastic materials
I'd guess that at least 1 third of all diesel is wasted on 'mobile storage' to cut costs on 'just in time' production.
A little more patience that the new harddisk doesn't arrive tomorrow, but next week plus the motivation to pay $5 extra and there's no more need to waste energy and pollute landscapes.
using one's respective car in a reasonable way would cut another 30% of gas consumption, so more than 50% of fuel (diesel plus gas) could be spared without big changes.
But nah - it's fun to accellerate, it's cool to be cool and it's adrenaline to work off aggressions in a car
oops - I missed the point (at least regarding Germany) - the local government cannot afford the spared taxes that less gas consumption will cause...
It would be an economic breakdown as everyone with a calculator can figure out.
but anyway, volunteers ahead who always gather 'for a better world' - here's your chance to do something
I bet that not even 5% would be willing to take the afformentined inconveniences
...and that's why people are people
they need a strong arm to guide, punish and feed them
cheers, Tom
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