wavelength "europa" synthesizer released

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:16 pm

On 2003-02-21 11:03, huffcw wrote:
Good points - but how much are you willing to spend for it. I am sure there is a cost issue when it comes to the time spent on design. Maybe the price goes up to $150 for a new design? Maybe Wavelength will offer two versions. I would probably stick with $99 version.

my thoughts, exactly... support the product/ development with a purchase and then we can talk about customizing the GUI in different ways. my time is not free in this regard.

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:23 pm

On 2003-02-21 14:49, borg wrote:
On 2003-02-21 12:55, Spirit wrote:
Yes, yes, but play it too ! What do you think of the sound ?
if only i could...

i wanted to have a go, but got denied... when i try to open the device, i get a message, something like 'can't find DSP file 'Midi Voice 16 MP'. Please check installation.'

never had something like this before... has it to do something with 3.1c? i'm still on 3.1a, at least for some weeks.
anyone care to send me this file, which you'll probably find in the DSP folder?

thanks in advance...

btw: didn't anyone notice the nice use of shades in the GUI?

SFP v3.1c has all of the atoms/ modules required onboard. anyone who has not upgraded yet can contact me directly (wavelength@track0.com) and i will send the DSP file(s) required... just tell me what you have missing.

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:28 pm

On 2003-02-21 14:49, borg wrote:
On 2003-02-21 12:55, Spirit wrote:
Yes, yes, but play it too ! What do you think of the sound ?
if only i could...

i wanted to have a go, but got denied... when i try to open the device, i get a message, something like 'can't find DSP file 'Midi Voice 16 MP'. Please check installation.'

never had something like this before... has it to do something with 3.1c? i'm still on 3.1a, at least for some weeks.
anyone care to send me this file, which you'll probably find in the DSP folder?

thanks in advance...

btw: didn't anyone notice the nice use of shades in the GUI?

sent the DSP file out to you...

borg · Post by **borg** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:34 pm

got it!
thanks stephen for the quick reply, i'll check it out in a minute. if you don't hear anything from me the coming hours, you'll know it has worked...

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:35 pm

On 2003-02-21 10:54, BlackSun wrote:
gimmicky GUIs do not make the device sound any better...
Who is talking about gimmicks???
I´m glad with a fast-readable font!!
Your device looks like your site...
Too complex to find anything...

[ This Message was edited by: BlackSun on 2003-02-21 10:57 ]

http://www.track0.com/wavelength/shoppage.htm

<<< a direct link for those of you confused by the complexity of my website, the download and purchase links are to the right of the page

(>>> this way)

and the screenshot can be viewed by clicking the smaller blue slab in the middle of the page.

[ This Message was edited by: wavelength on 2003-02-21 15:36 ]

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:42 pm

On 2003-02-21 07:42, astroman wrote:
You might consider a 'favourite surface color' switch though

this is something that could be easily implemented in near-future updates (if the update is justified by user demand)

Submarine · Post by **Submarine** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 4:03 pm

Well i have the PPG 2 ....

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:15 pm

my thoughts, exactly... support the product/ development with a purchase and then we can talk about customizing the GUI in different ways. my time is not free in this regard.

I'm just trying to point out different approaches to interface design. I don't think I'm going to buy it, but does that mean I'm not entitled to comment on it? I've never said it wouldn't come at a price, but it can possibly earn you more money as well (ie. it might sell more).

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:29 pm

On 2003-02-21 17:15, King of Snake wrote:

I'm just trying to point out different approaches to interface design. I don't think I'm going to buy it, but does that mean I'm not entitled to comment on it? I've never said it wouldn't come at a price, but it can possibly earn you more money as well (ie. it might sell more).

I thank you for your input (genuinely), although I'm not quite sure why you seem so concerned about my europa's GUI if you aren't even interested in buying (and thus using) the product. I guess you won't have to worry any more about it then?

if you could offer advice that would significantly impact the way that my synth functions then I would take heed to your comments, but you are speaking from a strictly subjective viewpoint (ie: your artistic opinion/ taste), which is valid, but not necessarily helpful or useful.

thank you again for your concern regarding my sales and you can rest assured that I am very aware (now even more) of the many approaches to surface design.

borg · Post by **borg** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 4:51 am

On 2003-02-21 12:55, Spirit wrote:
Yes, yes, but play it too ! What do you think of the sound ?

it's huge!!! this is a powerful machine...

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:00 am

I thank you for your input (genuinely), although I'm not quite sure why you seem so concerned about my europa's GUI if you aren't even interested in buying (and thus using) the product. I guess you won't have to worry any more about it then?

Well again, it works both ways. Maybe I (or other people) would be more interested in buying the product if it came with a different GUI.
Anyway I'm not just talking about the Europa specifically, I'm talking (pulsar) softsynths in general, and I was hoping some more people would have views on the subject. But maybe I should just make a seperate topic for it, and leave this one for discussing the Europa specifically.

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:10 am

On 2003-02-22 04:51, borg wrote:
On 2003-02-21 12:55, Spirit wrote:
Yes, yes, but play it too ! What do you think of the sound ?
it's huge!!! this is a powerful machine...

thank you very much.

over all, just let me say that I feel I've been fairly defensive in this thread... all of you please understand that it is a relatively stressful business putting one of my "babies" out to the masses. my creative ego is fragile in this delicate phase

hehehe

its like proudly bringing your baby home from the hospital and your friends remarking on how ugly it is

well, i don't actually have any babies (how would I find any time to build these synths?) but i can imagine that it would feel bad for people to call my newborn baby ugly.

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:18 am

On 2003-02-22 05:00, King of Snake wrote:
I thank you for your input (genuinely), although I'm not quite sure why you seem so concerned about my europa's GUI if you aren't even interested in buying (and thus using) the product. I guess you won't have to worry any more about it then?
Well again, it works both ways. Maybe I (or other people) would be more interested in buying the product if it came with a different GUI.
Anyway I'm not just talking about the Europa specifically, I'm talking (pulsar) softsynths in general, and I was hoping some more people would have views on the subject. But maybe I should just make a seperate topic for it, and leave this one for discussing the Europa specifically.

i would, very much, be interested in such a discussion (perhaps, as you have kindly mentioned, in a thread of its own)... i am curious to learn what users want more and/or less of in GUI design. although the suggestions would have to be specific and functionaly-sound to be taken seriously... i say this because i have found that most of these kinds of threads quickly dissolve into silliness--i'm talking a serious discussion of useful ideas here (as i think you are).

Let me know if and where you decide to continue this thread.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:21 am

Hehehe, I know how you feel

But hey, you'll have to be able to cope with criticism otherwise you'll never get better. It's the same with making music, there's always going to be people who don't like that one part you've been sweating so hard on for days and you just want to kill them when they say it to you

But it's still a learning experience (hopefully)

borg · Post by **borg** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:24 am

which girl (or guy) would you like to have a long term relationship with? this centerfold blond catching everyone's attention in the disco (not my type anyway) or that intelligent, gentle, creative, not so bad looking girl?

i know...

i wanted to add this line as a li'l joke: 'my doepfer drehbank has 4 rows and 16 columns of knobs. how about making the GUI look like this...?'
with the current discussion, maybe not a joke anymore, but a valid question.
not that i want my personalized version (which would be great

), but what about a GUI where you could arrange the placement of the knobs/sliders according to the user's midi controller? would it be possible? just a question, stephen, hehe.
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[ This Message was edited by: borg on 2003-02-22 05:31 ]

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:32 am

On 2003-02-22 05:21, King of Snake wrote:
But it's still a learning experience (hopefully)

I try and view my life as a learning experience.

I am seriously interested in a GUI discussion, if you want to start things off in another thread somewhere in here... and I hope that it would attract many users/ useful ideas.

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:43 am

On 2003-02-22 05:24, borg wrote:
which girl (or guy) would you like to have a long term relationship with? this centerfold blond catching everyone's attention in the disco (not my type anyway) or that intelligent, gentle, creative, not so bad looking girl?

i know...

i wanted to add this line as a li'l joke: 'my doepfer drehbank has 4 rows and 16 columns of knobs. how about making the GUI look like this...?'
with the current discussion, maybe not a joke anymore, but a valid question.
not that i want my personalized version (which would be great ), but what about a GUI where you could arrange the placement of the knobs/sliders according to the user's midi controller? would it be possible? just a question, stephen, hehe.
_________________
andy
 the lunatics are in the hall 

[ This Message was edited by: borg on 2003-02-22 05:31 ]

it's not a silly suggestion to emulate a hardware interface to make things clear and easy, but this, of course, has some serious limitations, in that many devices have more parameters than the 4x16 would comfortably allow (look at John Bowen's new Solaris) + such hardware device interfaces (I'm looking at my PC 1600x here) do not accomodate enough surface real estate for proper labelling or a more logical arrangement of a synthesizers parameters.

a 4x16 display would get really uncomfortable to use after a while, epecially if multiple devices were arranged in this way... confusion.

i have, however, entertained such requests from clients with special reqirements (and willing to help me out with some additional fundage).

Ganool · Post by **Ganool** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:51 am

Why are everybody whining about the GUI? It's not as cute as Solaris - but how important is that anyway? Personally I think Europa SOUNDS very good. I agree with Spirit that the presets doesn't make the synth justice, but there are a couple of _really_ cool patches in there.

Good job!

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 7:19 am

On 2003-02-22 05:24, borg wrote:
which girl (or guy) would you like to have a long term relationship with? this centerfold blond catching everyone's attention in the disco (not my type anyway) or that intelligent, gentle, creative, not so bad looking girl?

Please don't make it all so black and white. This is not about looks versus functionality! One does not exclude the other.

borg · Post by **borg** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 7:23 am

hmmm, yeah, point taken.