Noah WinXP Control Panel

[Bud Weiser]

Is that the same as a "mobile installation" ?
For example I have Vegas 18 set up as a mobile installation...it could be on a USB stick , in my instance it's in its own folder on my C drive ...same as Noah is .

No, there´ s no Noah mobile installation.
I don´t think it´s possible running Noah Remote Editor from USBstick and w/ Noah being connected to host computwer via USB.



Bud

[MrV]

Ok thanks Bud .

I have to keep reminding myself that XP is a 20 -25 year old system!...things weren't the same then ( that we take for granted now ) ...like mobile installations ha ha .

I didn't know that about the drivers only showing up while Noah is running . I did run an Uninstaller, from within the Noah folder.
I'll try again deleting it all then doing a clean reinstall.

Apart from Noah this XP SP3 installation seems to be working fine though hmmmm

[Bud Weiser]

I didn't know that about the drivers only showing up while Noah is running .

I recognized yesterday when I powered up my WinXP laptop and Noah wasn´t connected via USB neither the Remote Editor app was running.
So,- I was surprised too.

I'll try again deleting it all then doing a clean reinstall.

Wait for Valis´ reply,- he´s truly a computer expert,- way more than me.
And like you, I waded thru the NoahEX reflash and installation, incl. all the devices available for Noah just by reading the Noah thread here @PlanetZ as also by trial n error.
At the end, I was happy everything works,- except that damn buggy Pro12/Profit5 not responding to Noah front panel action in regards of in depth synth parameter editing and like it works w/ all the other devices running on Noah(EX).

So, please don´t make any mistake now.

Apart from Noah this XP SP3 installation seems to be working fine though hmmmm

Meanwhile I doubt it´s your WinXP installation is the culprit.
Must be something during installation process of your devices.
May I ask which activation keys you own and if these came from seller,- or did you get keys from generous S|C support ?
I don´t wanna every key´s detail,- just only if you have/got a single keyfile including all the device keys except Prodysey and Profit5,- or if you have/got individual keys for every device.

There is a "noah_ex_nokeys.oxe" file and once you installed and put in the keyfile, all the devices should appear w/ their keys in Noah Remote Editor module registry.
Noah synchronization w/ editor software via USB might work (I don´t remember if it does) automaticly then.
Leaves only the keys of optional devices not being included in this file.
NoahEX should be flashed w/ the "noah_default_edsp_prod.dmp" file, which includes most of the available devices.
IIRC, I only had to install Pro12/Profit5 manually.

Below how my activation keys look like,- I deleted the key numbers and replaced by "..."

*** NOAH ***

Your activation keys are as followed:

Hardware: ... (Sonic Core)

Software: Noah Editor
Key (v4.x): ...
Software: Synthesizer Package 2
Key (v4.x): ...
Software: Minimax
Key (v4.x): ...
Software: Six-String
Key (v4.x): ...
Software: proTone
Key (v4.x): ...
Software: B-2003
Key (v4.x): ...
Software: Vocodizer
Key (v4.x): ...
Software: Interpole
Key (v4.x): ...
Software: Prodyssey
Key (v4.x): ...
Software: Pro-12/Profit 5
Key (v4.x): ...

Several devices are included in the Synthesizer Package 2 key !
And there´s a single keyfile for all these keys.
In my post w/ screenshot above,-
viewtopic.php?p=369579#p369579
you see how it appears/looks in my module registry.

Really, it MUST work when you have all the correct and non-corrupted files and follow the version 1.1 installation instructions.

Above, I already posted a device installation method using the installer software shortcut.
You create the shortcut by select and right-click the "PluginInstaller.pro" file in C:/Noah/App/PluginInstallerApp/the file and choose "send to desktop" from pulldown menue.

B.t.w.,- In C:/Noah/App/... you also find the "UninstallerApp" folder and inside the UnInstaller.pro file.
The v1.1 installation (media)includes a setup.exe.
So, since it seems to be impossible executing a .pro file by doubleclick,- maybe you have to run the v1.1 installer again to get checkboxes (or whatever selection) for "install" or "uninstall" the Noah software stuff.
Please try.

I´ve found another .oxe files installation method posted by HUROLURA » Fri May 12, 2006 10:29 pm and I made a PDF-

Noah - install Devices using .oxe files.pdf

(60.04 KiB) Downloaded 93 times

It also includes Garry´s comments.
The other instructions from above and/or these work.

If you don´t get it right,- there must be something else.
Did you try different USB cables, p.ex. ?

I hope it helps,-



Bud

[MrV]

Thanks again Bud , there's a lot here .
I'll go thru this and let you know .
Also Vallis may want to comment and welcome to .
Regards , Michael

[valis]

I’ll have to catch up later, whole head hurts (summer cold)

[MrV]

Hope you feel better soon , cheers

[valis]

Checking back in.

When Scope had the installer that matched the GUI, it was not one of the mainstream installation packages, but seemed to be created internally by Creamware. Because applications would litter the windows environment with DLL's that needed to be installed to have the API's that were used to code applications accessible (this is what the 'dynamic linked library' does, it links the API Library to a single deployable external binary that can be easily updated and distributed--compared to everything being compiled or linked directly to the main application binary). So Microsoft published guides for how to handle the installation routine(s), worked with InstallShield, Wise (discontinued now), WIX, NSIS from Nullsoft (I've used this one a lot), VISE and others to standardize this.

Scope's installer tends to only install directly into its own application folder, aside from the system's need for a driver. I don't own Noah, but I would presume this is also the case, and it's why you don't see anything in Add/Remove programs etc. I don't know how many versions of the Noah installer there were, but you could clearly see when Scope defaulted to a more normal installation routine because the installer looked like all others at that point, rather than the rounded corners and colors of the Scope UI. So if the last version of the Noah installer still looks like that, then it may not add it at all. I'll have to defer to you guys on that one.

[Bud Weiser]

Well, the question is HOW TO UNINSTALL such installation then?

Simply delete and possibly clean registry,- if necessary at all ?

Were there never a by Creamware recommended uninstall procedure existing ?

I never used SCOPE and/or NOAH at Creamware times,- so I have no clue about different installers, missing or not needed uninstallers etc..

[MrV]

Thanks chaps , yes it's an odd one .

As I mentioned I ran a "Noah uninstaller"...will check what I did .
But it obviously left registry items behind because when I reinstalled up came the exact Noah Mixer setup from the previous installation.
I'm looking for an older version of CCleaner ( which I have archived somewhere ) and I'll clean the registry this time before new install .

By the way , it's odd that Noah only works in 44.1k and not 48k.
Why would they do that? Big reason for not buying one ...but hey I still did ! Ha ha

Cheers , Michael

[Bud Weiser]

where did you read 44.1k?
I cannot find such info.
Nonetheless,- when it sounds good,- that´s o.k.,- no?

Or is it just only the WAVE and ASIO USB interface´s SR ?

[MrV]

The manual says 44.1...no mention of 48k.
That might be one of the reasons it didn't survive .
Still , I'm glad I've got mine ...the sounds are great and it's no big deal to convert a 48k project to 44.1
I'm away on tour at present, will look in to those WinXP issues in the next few weeks . Cheers .

[garyb]

digital connections don't always sound better. it's not really an interface.

[Bud Weiser]

digital connections don't always sound better. it's not really an interface.

Right.
I´m using analog outputs,- XITE-1 and NoahEX.
The ADAT out option is nice to have,- p.ex. to run NoahEX multichannel into XITE-1 mixer.
But on XITE-1 for add. AD/DA, I use Z-Link for black S|C A16 Ultra.

In the past, when everything was produced for CD media,- 44.1 KHz was the standard.
Lots of great productions and many were/are way better than what´s created for today´s "mobile devices" and earbuds in 48 or 96 KHz.



Bud

[MrV]

Good point , I have an original A16 , could always run the Noah analog outputs in to that . Cheers .

[Bud Weiser]

... I have an original A16 , could always run the Noah analog outputs in to that ....

??? why double-conversion ???

Analog outputs into mixer/amp.
ADAT out into D/A converter for more outputs, or directly into ADAT in of DAW soundcard (p.ex. SCOPE PCI, RME etc.)

44.1K is good enough for most synth patches which are usually heavyly low-pass filtered anyway.
Even a Hammond organ´s highest frequencies are somewhere between 8 and 9 KHz and w/ it´s highest (1') drawbar fully pulled out.
A KORG M1´s limit is about 10KHz,- just only an example ...

All the synth emulations, DSP or VST,- as also hardware digital synths,- use anti aliasing filters.
Nothing electromechanic or electronic is going up into ranges where higher sampling rates than 32KHz or 44.1KHz are needed.
It´s different when recording acoustic instruments and vocals.
Field recordings might fall into that department too.
But unneccessary high sample rates make the sample larger while not improving sound at all.
Wasted space on your drives.
Bit depth is more important than sample rate,- 24Bit integer or 32Bit floating point.
Sample rate is all about the Nyquist frequency.
When a source´s highest output frequency is below the Nyquist frequency,- the selected sample rate is good.



Bud

[MrV]

Yes am aware of all this Bud . .
What I'm saying is that 48k is not supported in Noah that's all .

[Bud Weiser]

O.k.,- all said then,- and I hope you´ll get your NoahEX to run flawlessly then.
Good luck !

[MrV]

Thanks Bud for yr help here . I'll get on to the Win XP issue and hopefully get that sorted and report back in here .
Michael

[valis]

44.1Khz out to an analog out, then back into 48 on your DAW/Scope side is fine even with the conversion. Any ringing from filter band design on the output will be at a different part of the spectrum than on the input, so cumulative effects will be minimal. This is why 48Khz was used for 'pro' work (DAT and the first Sony mixer, Mackie D8B etc all worked at 48Khz) and consumers got 44.1 in their digital format, the multitrack masters would have artifacts that didn't accumulate with the (then, lesser) DACs of the consumer gear's own compromises on playback.

[MrV]

Yes I would think so .
It's strange how Noah only ran in 44.1 vs the rest of the Creamware cards which ran 44.1 , 48 and 96 hmmm