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Bud Weiser wrote:

garyb wrote:the error messages aren't very intelligent. they're generic.

the first set related to the Scope software losing contact with the XITE while it was running. the last message indicated that the Scope software couldn't communicate with the XITE during startup when the software does a diagnostic.

you can use any hdmi cable with the proper ends. sure, you can use a right angle cable.

Short question here:

Is the XITE-1 PCIe card PCIe 1.1 or PCIe 2.0 standard ?

Just asking because I have a HP laptop here for free, actually running Vista but offering a PCIexpress 1.1 slot.
It would be necessary upgrading the processor to a Intel Core2Duo T9300 at least and I wonder if it´s worth the investment of about EUR 60.- for processor and EUR 149.- for the PCIexpress cable.

thx in advance ...

Bud

what do you mean PCIe cable?
a lappy needs to use an expresscard connection as that's the PCIe connection. alternatively, you could use a thunderbolt port with a Sonnet Technologies expresscard to thunderbolt adaptor. do NOT connect directly to an HDMI port!

garyb wrote:
what do you mean PCIe cable?
a lappy needs to use an expresscard connection as that's the PCIe connection. alternatively, you could use a thunderbolt port with a Sonnet Technologies expresscard to thunderbolt adaptor. do NOT connect directly to an HDMI port!

Question:
What PCIe standard is the PCIe card for XITE-1,- 1.1 or 2.0 ?

I assume the for XITE-1 optional available PCIexpresscard cable is the same PCIe standard than the regular PCIe card,- no ?

That HP laptop has a PCIexpresscard slot, both formats 34 or 54 fit, but it´s standard is 1.1.

So, if the PCIe / PCIexpresscards for XITE-1 are PCIe 2.0,- no go w/ that laptop.
If they are PCIe 1.1, it´s worth a try.
It´s a HP Pavillon DV6500, Intel PM 965 chipset, PCIexpress 1.1.
Processor is Core2Duo 1.8GHz which isn´t enough for SCOPE 5.1,- but 2.53 GHz w/ 6MB cache (Intel T9300 or higher) would be o.k..
Investment is not very high for a faster processor, but it´s a lot of work disassembling and reassembling the laptop as also finding all the drivers for a Win XP downgrade and set up all new.
I hate Win Vista ...

The idea is just only controlling SCOPE w/ that laptop, not doing lots of ASIO/recording, but using SCOPE/XITE as a multi-synth and sample(r) - player module in my keyboards rig.

Bud

1.1.

the Core2 processor you mentioned is more than powerful enough for Scope. it might be underpowered for Kontact or Cubase, but it's plenty of power for Scope.

i have a Dell laptop that i have used for demos. it has a 1.4ghz Core2 Duo and it has always worked VERY well, even with Cubase.

FWIW Kontakt is very light on resources now, only scripting and those worthless effects take juice away from the CPU.
Add the fact NCW compressed lossless audio in Kontakt is superb.

A core 2 Duo CPU like the old E8600 Wolfdale is better for audio than any Quad Core CPU.
I actually only need a single core of my Ivy Bridge or Haswell CPU.

I really wish I had a single core Alpha CPU (pre AMD) running at 5GHz as that would be so much better than this multi buss cache sharing crap. They add more RAM to the cache with every design in hopes brute size and force will compensate.

We could have had a 32bit OS with 8GBs of RAM, and a single fast ass CPU and been better off than all of the Octo Quads, and Bakers Dozen Core nonsense they feed us these days.

Bud Weiser wrote:

garyb wrote:
what do you mean PCIe cable?
a lappy needs to use an expresscard connection as that's the PCIe connection. alternatively, you could use a thunderbolt port with a Sonnet Technologies expresscard to thunderbolt adaptor. do NOT connect directly to an HDMI port!

Question:
What PCIe standard is the PCIe card for XITE-1,- 1.1 or 2.0 ?

I assume the for XITE-1 optional available PCIexpresscard cable is the same PCIe standard than the regular PCIe card,- no ?

That HP laptop has a PCIexpresscard slot, both formats 34 or 54 fit, but it´s standard is 1.1.

So, if the PCIe / PCIexpresscards for XITE-1 are PCIe 2.0,- no go w/ that laptop.
If they are PCIe 1.1, it´s worth a try.
It´s a HP Pavillon DV6500, Intel PM 965 chipset, PCIexpress 1.1.
Processor is Core2Duo 1.8GHz which isn´t enough for SCOPE 5.1,- but 2.53 GHz w/ 6MB cache (Intel T9300 or higher) would be o.k..
Investment is not very high for a faster processor, but it´s a lot of work disassembling and reassembling the laptop as also finding all the drivers for a Win XP downgrade and set up all new.
I hate Win Vista ...

The idea is just only controlling SCOPE w/ that laptop, not doing lots of ASIO/recording, but using SCOPE/XITE as a multi-synth and sample(r) - player module in my keyboards rig.

Bud

Gary might have better information, but in MY experience, the laptop ExpressCard and the PCIe Slot card for XITE seems to be PCIe 2.0. Know first that a PCIe3/2.5/2.0/1.1 device or host is backwards compatible to previous generations. So the card should work in any laptop or desktop.

I had an older Sony VAIO laptop with PCIe 1.1, that had a masterverb limit of 13-15. My newer Lenovo W520 is PCIe2.0, and the limit was near 30 masterverbs. I did not see system memory bandwidth limits hit for the sony, so I assume it was a PCIe difference. Both used the exact same XITE-1 and ExpressCard combo. HDMI cable didn't seem like a factor, I've used several models and lengths with each setup.

I've also used a Core2Duo 1U rack PC that had PCIe2.0. This used the PCIe card interface, and I believe the masterverb limit was in the 26-ish area.

actually, jksuperstar may be right, but it doesn't matter. the card should work in either.

dawman wrote:FWIW Kontakt is very light on resources now, only scripting and those worthless effects take juice away from the CPU.

How do you know if a given Kontakt lib is lossless compressed or not ? I have Jaco, Neosuitcase, EZDrummer, Juggernaut etc - are these lossless or only other specialised libraries specifially advertised as lossless ?

jksuperstar wrote: Gary might have better information, but in MY experience, the laptop ExpressCard and the PCIe Slot card for XITE seems to be PCIe 2.0. Know first that a PCIe3/2.5/2.0/1.1 device or host is backwards compatible to previous generations. So the card should work in any laptop or desktop.

I had an older Sony VAIO laptop with PCIe 1.1, that had a masterverb limit of 13-15. My newer Lenovo W520 is PCIe2.0, and the limit was near 30 masterverbs. I did not see system memory bandwidth limits hit for the sony, so I assume it was a PCIe difference.

But wow, that´s a lot of difference IMO !
And I´d prefer a Lenovo W500 or your W520 over the HP I have here ...

I´ve found out, The HP Pavillon has only 2 RAM slots and wants DDR2 PC5300.
There are only 2GB build in actually,- 2 sticks occupy both slots,- and when I want a 4GB kit and do an OS upgrade (Win7 32Bit from Vista) it might be a bit expensive ´ cause these DDR2 2 stick 4GB kits for laptops are now in a crazy price range.
Maybe I can find a Lenovo W500 w/ 4GB of RAM and Win 7 for relatively cheap too (???) ... then just only buy the S|C PCIexpress cable.

Anyway, that was great info because I now know about which hardware specs I´m dealing with when going PCIexpress w/ a laptop.

thx

Bud

garyb wrote:actually, jksuperstar may be right, but it doesn't matter. the card should work in either.

Thx for your help too Gary.
I had no clue about backwards compatibility of PCIe before ...

best

Bud

So ?

Did you fix all your problems ? Was it the hdmi cable ? Are you going to your rehearsals ? Are you nervous breakdowning ?

À la tienne !

He fixed it previous page - suspect corrupted project due to installing stuff whilst Scope still open.

Ooops..

I don't always understand all the subtleties of english .... Hum ..

Thanks, Dante..

dawman wrote:loading a default (BLANK) project with only RoyT's big MIDI Monitor as that is hard to place from Modular shells now where I want it.
I always would drag it from a shell into the upper left corner, and you could see it visually and connect it only after clicking off and on the routing window.

Could someone tells me the name of this "big MIDI Monitor" module which I can see in each Jimmy's screen shot ?
It's a modular module, right ? I have downloaded some modular patch containing it without any problem, so I know I've got it already somewhere but I can't find it (don't remember its name) and I need it at this time !

Thanks !

It's the one at the bottom of this page: http://www.cwmodular.org/tools-other.html

Thanks a lot, w-ellis !
I knew I've got it somewhere ! Now, I know where to find it..!