Controller for Prophet 5

Marco · Post by **Marco** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:15 pm

Yeah feel the music, touch it, turn it on, thats what turns me on. Im using noviation zero sl mk II and a maudio pro 88
summary 24+16 =40knobs to turn
And 9+9 =18sliders to push and pull
and
24+22 =46 buttons to press

enough possible ways to assign, for me the only real way to make.the scope ,synthesizer touch and feel like real synth hardware.
If you work day by day you optimize your assignments, and I keep them i my mind.....geht einem in Fleisch und Blut über!

Marco · Post by **Marco** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:39 am

Shit cant load Controller preset file, after loading, my soundspresets are not working? Is this a bug? Some Controllers will not be saved in the file.

Scope 5.1, 64bit, 3xpci 15dsp,z87-c, win7

help needed

Post by **garyb** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:04 am

make a midi preset for the device.

Marco · Post by **Marco** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:27 am

Midi Controller assignments for eg bluesynth Resonanz goes in my midipreset lost, others like cutoff works good

is this a bug, im sad, no controlling possible?

Marco · Post by **Marco** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:31 am

I set Resonanz again, knob works, saving as preset, recall preset, Resonanz get lost again!

Bud Weiser · Post by **Bud Weiser** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:49 am

garyb wrote:make a midi preset for the device.

Hi Gary !

I never got "MIDI preset for a device" working 100% for me.
It can be there is some kind of user error involved, but maybe it´s not.
Can be, some users need a step-by step instruction how to make a working MIDI preset for a given device and then save and recall successfully.
SCOPE 5.1 /32Bit on WinXP here, 2 machines, XITE-1 and PCI card.
I get all controllers assigned I want and it works as long SCOPE is up and running,- but once it´s closed and been launched the other day, most settings are gone in a more or less random behaviour.

I´d wish we´d have a video or .gif demonstrating the making-of and store/recall a MIDI preset in SCOPE 5.1 w/ a given device.
Some kind of these lice-cap instructions we see in Reaper forum would help a lot.

Bud

Marco · Post by **Marco** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:24 am

I think this is a big bug in scope, doesnt save the setting correct

This impotrant function is making it impossible to touch scope synth ever.
I cant repair this.

But when you saved the Controller settings a a preset, and the midibank on the HD, then saving your project, the Controller will work after reloading a project.

but reloading only the synth and then Controller settings, you must fix that shit again and save it in your Projekt.
A lot of unnessecary work, because of that bug.

but a possible way.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:27 am

i'm not sure what problem you all are seeing.

yes, wouldn't it be nice if there was someone who had all day to make movies?

in the preset menu, open the midi menu and store a preset. save the changes. when the project is opened, recall the midi preset you made. this has worked for me in the past. i can probably spend some time to poke around this in the next day or two, but it's just like any other preset, you just need to be sure it's saved to midi presets and not to a regular preset. it's possible that there are specific devices that don't utilize a preset properly, but i know the stm2448 has always worked properly.

djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:34 am

i confirm that for bluesynth on scope 5.1.

Tried to fix it on sdk, but all settings are ok, so annabella, if you tell me the cc numbers you need to assign, it can be done with sdk so that when you'll open the device it will be already mapped as you need.
This is different from saving the device preset, it will have a static cc assignment by default.

Bud Weiser · Post by **Bud Weiser** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:28 pm

garyb wrote:
yes, wouldn't it be nice if there was someone who had all day to make movies

What´s so complex loading down licecap http://www.cockos.com/licecap/ and install, then open SCOPE, load a device and make a MIDI preset, save the preset, save the project, reload project, recall that MIDI preset and show it works the same as before ?
Licecap is animated screen capture and the result can be watched here or elsewhere,- @Scoperise p.ex. too.

When done, we users would be able to repeat that action and using different devices then showing which doesn´t work as expected.
As long as we aren´t sure there´s no user error in the ballpark we cannot say it´s a bug, isn´t it ?

Because it works w/ STM XYZ that doesn´t mean it really works reliable w/ everything in SCOPE.

Some time ago we were talking about a total recall of MIDI controller adjustments being stored w/ the project and for all devices in that project,- and when recalling that project again,- all is back as it was.
I hope we´ll get this w/ SCOPE 6 !

Making dedicated MIDI presets for different devices, store and recall individually, is a workaround anyway and if the workaround itself is also buggy,- that´s really bad.

I really want to find out and not thinking I´m an idiot,- but when I am,- well,- I have to learn to make MIDI presets the right way.

thx

Bud

Marco · Post by **Marco** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:43 pm

we all are the betatesters, and when we find a bug, we must fix it ourself with the sdk.
I dont have sdk, to complicated, im a musican not a programmer.

dante · Post by **dante** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:03 pm

Bud Weiser wrote:
garyb wrote:
yes, wouldn't it be nice if there was someone who had all day to make movies
What´s so complex loading down licecap http://www.cockos.com/licecap/ and install, then open SCOPE, load a device and make a MIDI preset, save the preset, save the project, reload project, recall that MIDI preset and show it works the same as before ?
Licecap is animated screen capture and the result can be watched here or elsewhere,- @Scoperise p.ex. too.

Yes, Licecap is used all the time in ScopeRise. Like others I dont have all day to make movies, but a LiceCap animation is the single best device Ive found to show something about Scope so IT IS worth doing occassionally especially if a need like this arises.

Now, I will try this out when I have some studio time next, and make a licecap.

Meanwhile, it would be great if others could also do this - Im sure ready to publish all usefull licecap tips in ScopeRise and we could get a great collection if more people do it.

djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:46 am

anabella wrote:we all are the betatesters, and when we find a bug, we must fix it ourself with the sdk.
I dont have sdk, to complicated, im a musican not a programmer.

with sdk the bluesynth can be mapped by default to your cc setup, so if you write down here a list of cc, we can upload a bluesynth mapped to your controller.

Bud Weiser · Post by **Bud Weiser** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:38 am

dante wrote:
Now, I will try this out when I have some studio time next, and make a licecap.

Thank you,- it would be excellent to have a tutorial "how to make a MIDI preset for a SCOPE device and save/recall" permanently available @Scoperise.

It could be an example for a synth like Minimax, Profit or Protone and using a few parameters only,- if one of these devices works perfect and reliable w/ MIDI CCs for sure.
It makes sense minimizing time investment,- so not every parameter neccessary for a demo.
A mixer obviously wants much more controller numbers to be assigned.

Once we´d have 1 example guaranteed to work, we can double check for more devices and different parameters ourselves.
In my case, it all depends on which hardware controllers will be in the ballpark next future.
I have a JL Cooper Fadermaster Pro which needs new tactile switches 1st, as well as the Kurzweil PC3 and hopefully soon a Behringer BCR2000.
So, I see Fadermaster for mixer faders and mutes, Kurzweil zones in different setups for SCOPE big synths and BCR2000 for modular and Sonic Projects OPX on V-Machine.
I think about integration of my old Roland R-8 drummachine as a MIDI PAD controller (4x16 pads w/ individual MIDI note numbers on different MIDI channels) for p.ex. Roy´s MIDI switch FX but also triggering samples.

That´s lots of work w/ the external hardware alone.

happy new year

Bud

Marco · Post by **Marco** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:49 pm

THX for this offer. If we had a Video , we could do it ourselfs! This helps really!!! THX

THX

BTW Roland R 8, I remember, was MY machine! So long time ago, I had NO computer, just editing at the r8!

Mybe i find my sdk keys......

djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:48 pm

no need for video, very simple task.

Open the device in scope sdk, assign controls as usual, then right click on the device and save as new device.

Marco · Post by **Marco** » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:06 am

so lets go, but first I must look at the sdk software, and my key......?

yayajohn · Post by **yayajohn** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:19 pm

would that also apply to changing the default preset when you open a synth?

fra77x · Post by **fra77x** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:22 pm

dubcotics · Post by **dubcotics** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:23 pm

I use the Ipad and MidiDesigner via MidiConnect , I can control just about anything controllable on Scope. You can check out MidiDesigner on youtube or download their free lite version if you have the Ipad,

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