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garyb wrote:well, i've been wrong too many times, but i wouldn't be surprised if it's the same sample set.
that would be a classic example of intellectual property and demand economics.

Apparantly Thomas Skarbye sampled the Scarbee Ricky, so unlikely it would be the same set as the 2 - 3 year old Reason Refill. You get what you pay for, so its likely a choice between a highly detailed Ricky, and less detailed Ricky packaged with 7 other less detailed basses. And since I don't use all the detail in most of the Kontakt VSTi's I got (Jaco Bass for example), and memory is limited, I SHOULD go for the Reason package, although I might get sucked in by the flashier GUI on the Scarbee.

Yes, the Kontakt Scarbee is much more detailed, I guess. (don't know the refill one) You may slide between notes at different speed, choose the bass string, you have (from the manual) :
. Picked style
▪ Open and palm-muted playing
▪ Sustains — up-strokes and down-strokes
▪ Normal mutes and harmonic mutes
▪ Harmonics
▪ Hammer-on & pull-off
▪ Fast grace notes
▪ Slides
▪ Trills — whole-note/half-note
▪ Buzz trills — whole-note/half-note
▪ Cross-hammering
▪ Chords
▪ Chord slides
▪ Percussive slides
▪ Releases

articulations... And some bass cab / amp fx...

And you have all the Kontakt tweaking possibility...

Tonight, I gonna start some project with it...

dante wrote:Thanks for the 'Indie' clarity. Back to the scarbee coolness, a Rickenbacker for $100. But how does it compare to this older product :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... HBi1yHpEyc

which includes the Ricky and seven other basses for not much more $$ ( $120) ?

Reason Bass is cool and usable.
But Kontakt scripting is more advanced in regards of articulations.
In fact, not it´s sound but the scripting features make Kontakt the best sample player out there.

Now it depends if you need all these bells and whistles in every song,- it´s just only a bass, you know,- and it depends on which role the bass plays in a tune.
I think you´d be fine w/ Reason Bass in many cases but might want something different occasionally.
That´s the nitemare w/ sample sets,- you can never have enough and use most of ´em very rare.

Bud

Yes its a nightmare on a 4GB system because its a balancing act which version of an instrument drains RAM first. Jaco Bass from Orange tree plus ToonTrack EZDrummer loaded in Cubase / Kontakt means sometimes Reason will not open, or if I open Reason first, then Cubase crashes.

Could be I need to load a smaller subset of Jaco. I use Jaco for Rock as well as more laid back stuff you would expect an fretless on.

But the Reason Bass has the Musicman Stingray fretless on it, as well as the Rickenbacker, and they probably use less Ram than the orange Tree Jaco when fully loaded w/ all articulations (which I don't use).

I don't use Kontakt scripting either, I just like to play and have real bass and drum sounds at fingertips

dante wrote: I don't use Kontakt scripting either, I just like to play and have real bass and drum sounds at fingertips

Which is the best solution anyway.
I always had and have the impression all these virtual instruments are for the layout/ demo/ composing and arranging.
A good string instrument player is lightyears better than any sampled instrument and being a keyboardplayer doesn´t guarantee an excellent result by using samples and keyswitches for articulations in the same time a bass- or guitar player needs to lay down the track.
It´s the same w/ drums when not using commerciall MIDI files/styles which speed up the work 1st, but leaves you w/ a lot of editing later not to sound like all the others who use these too.
I remember programming drums note by note (just because I want the drums fit my basslines perfect) as well as all the dynamics for a tune, which needed several hrs or a day to make it sound like a real drummer,- and I hate loops up today, may these be MIDI or audio loops.
Well, in my home I can record a guitar and/or bass player, but not real drums,- so I have to use the drumsamples unless I go into another studio and hire a drummer.

O.T.:

I just recognised you installed Dropbox on your machines,- great !
Just got a notification I now have 500MB more Dropbox storage space ...

thx man !

Bud

oh, comparing Reason and Scarbee and not two Scarbee sets....that's different....

i'm sure the Scartbee is better.

i seriously doubt if you really need to load that much into ram. it's just a damned wasteful program. i believe that you can eliminate unused parts of the sample set in Kontact and reduce it's ram footprint considerably.

also, if you are COMPOSING, you don't need to leave the instrument loaded forever. commit to audio or at least freeze the instrument!

Freezing (or rendering VSTI's) - I never do. Think: When I need to do that my arrangements are too complex. So I sacked Jaco for this session and used standard Kontakt 'Pop' bass which fits the track just as well. Can now load Reason OK, so could use Reason's Zelig B3 instead of Scope B2003. Then discovered Scope B2003 sounded better on this track anyways. On other tracks Zelig sounds better.

The one and only time I ever froze a VSTi was a demo of the Aturia JP8 which was a real CPU hogerama ! For that baby, I would definitely need a CPU upgrade, or wait for another JP8 clone.

Bud Weiser wrote: I just recognised you installed Dropbox on your machines,- great ! Just got a notification I now have 500MB more Dropbox storage space ... thx man !
Bud

No probs. So those 12 pics of unpacking XITE-1 are yours are they ? Can I put em in ScopeRise ?

dante wrote: So those 12 pics of unpacking XITE-1 are yours are they ? Can I put em in ScopeRise ?

Yes, sure !
I already put ´em in when I received XITE-1 in march 2012 ...
You invitation followed quickly.
Do you stil have ´em ?
They aren´t in my Dropbox folder anymore.
Let me know.
If not, I´ll upload again next week on tuesday or send ´em resized in a PM.

Bud

Yeah I got em. Ill post em in ScopeRise archives

Found a bargain Dan Dean Bass Collection, $39. Love the Fender Precision in it, and its got RickenBacker and Fretless as well. Easy on the pocket, easy on the RAM.

there you go. nice price. i really belive that this need for massive amounts of sample ram is really overstated.

the problem is the assumption that more gbs of samples = better sounding music, something that may or may not be true, and that has fueled a runaway freight train of wasteful programming. it's easy to get caught up in the technical aspects of the digital medium and forget to just write better songs, but i'm ranting uncontrollably again...ahh my wasted youth!

garyb wrote:there you go. nice price. i really belive that this need for massive amounts of sample ram is really overstated. the problem is the assumption that more gbs of samples = better sounding music

I would say the more amount of work the better sounding music. If you prepared to spend loads of time on composing nuances with Kontakt scripting, the rewards are there. But if you're getting a sound you want without all those nuances, then the GB load is overkill.

In my case, the Dan Dean product is simple and only 16 bit - but how much definition am I going to loose on a bass part that's largely buried in a rock mix anyways ? And I still have the option of pumping it thru dynatube bass cab for more tonal definition.

dante wrote:Yeah I got em. Ill post em in ScopeRise archives

O.k. !

dante wrote: Found a bargain Dan Dean Bass Collection, $39. Love the Fender Precision in it, and its got RickenBacker and Fretless as well. Easy on the pocket, easy on the RAM.

Listened to the demos,- and bookmarked.
Sounds good and is a great addition to the Reason Bass Collection.

Bud

dante wrote:... In my case, the Dan Dean product is simple and only 16 bit - but how much definition am I going to loose on a bass part that's largely buried in a rock mix anyways ?...

just plugin a guitar or a bass via a good DI and read your level meters in idle mode not playing anything
consider yourself lucky if it reads less than -64dB noisefloor - now much bits does that need to encode perfectly ?
it wouldn't get any better in front of a real cabinet either, these ARE noisy instruments

I have 3 real Precision basses and wouldn't mind another couple of them, different necks, different strings...
It all interacts with each other and the player.
But I wouldn't refuse a real Ricky either...

cheers, Tom

Talking about all these basses and sample libraries we all love so much, I would like to participate giving away a gift for you all, it is a sample library that I did 7 years ago, out of my now death Washburn Status Bass, which sounded so great...

It also has some truly nice samples from Wayne, his Tuba and his Fender, which sound terrific.

I will hold this on my DB for a couple of weeks for you.

You can use these samples the way you want, even commercially, and don’t need to give me anything or report me on how you used them, other than having fun if you like to

Enjoy:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25529735/THE%2 ... WAR%21.rar

BTW: this will be up in a few minutes, if you cannot download it, it is because it is still uploading.

Thanks Nestor. That is kind of you. I am downloading now.

What format is this?

braincell wrote:Thanks Nestor. That is kind of you. I am downloading now.

What format is this?

I'm glad you are downloading it Brain

They are Wav samples at 24bit 44.1 Hz

Cheers

Mayb someone can make STS set out of them.

dante wrote:Mayb someone can make STS set out of them.

Not me at the moment... no time, I'm on one of the busiest times of my life. But it would be a good idea to make it using the multilayer format, the one with 3 levels of depth.

dante wrote:... In my case, the Dan Dean product is simple and only 16 bit - but how much definition am I going to loose on a bass part that's largely buried in a rock mix anyways ? And I still have the option of pumping it thru dynatube bass cab for more tonal definition.

looks like it's come a long way from those EMU days...
(and still holds up, as to be expected)
Content of Vol 15 of the EMU library

cheers, Tom

Yes, except looks like the Rickenbacker, Washburn and Gibson T-Bird may have come from elsewhere since they dont appear on that list.