autotune mangling

[dawman]

In August I was at OZORA festival, Hungry, about 35.000 visitors.

Sounds like fun but are you saying you had no food...? I'd be hungry too, unless you were packing your beaks really hard and chugging Beer, etc.

[hubird]

no problem: a lot of good, different and cheap food shops were available (as always on Psy festivals)
Concerning myself, I had my VW T3 camperbus with me, with food and (cold) drinks, but I think I just once made my own meal, as the food was good over there, and me lazy

[dawman]

Sounds like a great time, I guess it was located in Hungary then.....

[hubird]

sh*t...hehe, got it, after all

[dawman]

A Good night to you Brotha; Man Hubird, I am an vacation, tokk 2 days off to seim at Chimey Beach Tahoe, and now tesing new devices and Expert Sleepers version 2.
Slowly but surely I am learning Trance and other techno but being capable of soloing with 2 hands, getting simple is harder than one thinks, I am a live juke box, a robot, but ecaonsion os on the Horizon...
You beshocked at the sound quality of Modular with the new Silent Way Sleepers version 2.
A patch only needs 8 c audio ons and a Filter choice, VCA, Poly Out and Filter.
Trick is to have 4-8 small patches all using different combinations. Scope and all 3rd pary modlar sounds so much better, but Mono is all I have so afr, working on Poly but I have Solaris for that, still just to learn.

We are having a Labor Day Holiday so Peace to all of my Scope Brotha's....... Even the ones who put me on their ignore list...

[garyb]

Jim and Hubird have more in common than one might think. they both hate singers...

[hubird]

...Slowly but surely I am learning Trance and other techno but being capable of soloing with 2 hands, getting simple is harder than one thinks, ...

Take care, you have Trance (Tiësto, Armin van Buuren, etc.) and there's Psy(chedelic) Trance or PsyTrance or simply 'Psy', formerly known as Goa trance.
'Trance' is the most popular dance style in the world I guess, and I quite hate it.
It also doesn't sound like Psy trance at all.
Every track of Trance seems to need a super climax, a megalomaniac break to get the hands of the masses in the air.
Psy doesn't want that appeal, it's much more cool, and except the underlaying drive of kick and bass it's quite abstract music.
Even the stimulantia consumed in both scenes differ, but I'm leaving the details here
A lot of people on the other hand dislike Psy as being too weird or monotonous, and in Holland it's even not known very well.

My guess is Psy trance is unknown in the US, but I'd enjoy being corrected.
In Europe it's big, see the map with (only) the most well known psy festivals.

@Garyb, hehe, but well, I'm not stupid enough to deny the magic expression quality of natural born singers like Amy Winecellar etc.
Except those exceptions you only have music industry.
At least, if a music style doesn't use the human voice as an instrument you can be sure the format doesn't fit the usual commercial pipelines, from record companies to radio stations, and from music papers to stupid tv shows and paraphernalia sellers etc.

[dawman]

GaryB knows of my personal tortures, he's seen the Vegas schmooze, and at times I have worked with excellent vocalists, but vocals always create an agenda or something, that's why I loved out of all singers old scat singers, ensemble humming, even the whistling of the theme from the old movie " Once Upon A Time In The West. "
Been around commercialism so long I have cobwebs in my head.
I actually believe I was more rewarded when it took me months to perform a Chopin piece, or some Debussey, as the work and concentration added just after the weeks of learning every note was so rewarding. Probably also why I love improvisational music and lean towards the old Cool School stuff.
But I love the explanation and article you posted above, yet another reminder of how I wish I could afford to retire and just cut loose, fuck this Babylonian flow of cash to which I have become a slave.

I apologize as even now I am visiting my sons mother up in NNevada, Tahoe helps me forget, but only 2 days go bedore I must play with Modular and Solaris again.
I shall read moew on this as Las Vegas has the biggest Electro Concert that last days, it's so big the entire NASCAR racetrack is where it's held. It really moves me, so I know where I am heading, just seems like such an uphill battle.....


Happy Labor Day, lets celebrate our slavery to the dollar.........

[hubird]

Well, you play for your living, that's not too bad anyway.

I checked the EDC 2012 Post-Event trailer, and yes, that's Trance music and a typical Trance event with big show elements etc.
Well, to say I hate it is too much, but to call this independent isn't the truth eighter.
Never mind, any electronic music is already better than the products of the commercial music industry Nestor explained, or even than the nostalgic and endless repetition of old popsongs by radio stations all over the world, if you ask me.

[Nestor]

Please, a question Hubird, just out of curiosity, you said that the Ozora Festival you have been recently in had music playing the whole of the time, day and night, ¿ was it always different music? I mean ¿all these many hours of music were formed by a repetition of tracks or all the tracks were different to each other? Cheers.

[garyb]

my only confusion is how heavy movements of people and cash, supplies and logistics needed for all those huge festivals can be anything but "commercial"...

are autotune melodies appropriate for synthetic instruments?

[dante]

I dont think its the synthetic instruments that move the cash, theres something else synthetic happening

[dawman]

I think these groups and DJs all love to scream anti record deal, as they wait & hope to be signed..

[garyb]

if you're going to have thousands of people in attendance, a lot of money is going to be required to change hands. porta potties aren't free.

by definition, that's commerce and you can't have commercial without commerce or vice-versa.

[dawman]

I think he means it;s abti Abba, that being commercial, so having organized Psy Travce is anti popular, while being popular.
Im confused now........

[hubird]

Please, a question Hubird, just out of curiosity, you said that the Ozora Festival you have been recently in had music playing the whole of the time, day and night, ¿ was it always different music? I mean ¿all these many hours of music were formed by a repetition of tracks or all the tracks were different to each other? Cheers.

every (say) two hours another dj who brings his own bag of records (or digitally on a laptop).
I seldom hear a track passing by twice.
The line up of those festival is huge, you get a flyer at the entrance with time scheme and names.
Big names play at prime time of course, a lot of dj's in the weak hours (i.e. at 9 in the morning) play for free festival entrance.
edit: line up times3, as there are 3 7/24 stages, main, chill and ambient.
(Plus a stage for special acts, like a reggea band, an India spiritual collective, etc.)

[hubird]

I think he means it;s abti Abba, that being commercial, so having organized Psy Travce is anti popular, while being popular.
Im confused now........

keyword here is independent (independancy seems to be not a valid word)
No sponsoring, no chained contracts with breweries or food companies, etc.
No stupid prohibitions to bring your own drinks to the stage areas, no fuc**ng security apes at the entrance, no control on drugs with individuals, selling home made jewelry on a towel on the ground allowed.
No advertising of anything by any corporation, no drinks billboard ads, etc.
No advertising by the festival organisation on billboards along the roads or in papers or music papers.
Nice entree prices (120 euro for 6 days camp and festival) and you can get into the festival area days before if you want, and days after also if you wanne keep your nice camp to chill out.
Nice prices for beer and food (2 euro for a big plexiglas of beer, 3,5 for a pizza piece, 4 to 6 for a Tai meal or whatever you get) etc.
No loser with a badge coming to tell you that making a small fire in front of your camp wouldn't be allowed.

You get the picture?
it's not about making money in the first place, it's about organising the environment for a gathering, celebrating life.

http://ozorafestival.eu/news?

[Nestor]

All those “no” are very pleasing indeed.

So, for your answer, there is a real amazing lot of music going on. We are talking of at least 144 hours of continuous music, without taking into account what goes on before and after the gathering…

[garyb]

the "no"s are nice.

who cleans up?

it's absolutely a money maker. it's a big money maker.

you can be sure that there are those who are blessedly happy that the youth are burning out on drugs and mindlessness. too many people to pacify these days... on the other hand, i don't doubt for a minute that a festival like that is as fun as it can be, a super fun time. also, it has no autotune, except on samples, which means something to some people. i'm thinking that, aside from the dirt, there aren't many more fun musical experiences.


hubird, you're a typical deadhead, although the Grateful Dead had singing and they are now defunct. i bet i can use a typical Grateful Dead joke in this case(just changing the name of the band/style) .

what did the Psy festival camper say when the drugs wore off?
"gee, this music really sucks!"

[David]

Can't miss this one, it goes on right behind my house.

http://www.alchemyfestival.co.uk/