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copyright infringement CERTIANLY is already illegal. very much so. how DOES Disney make people "cease and desist"?

this new law is BOGUS.

by the way, it's the banking SYSTEM that killed Iceland, not Greece or the USA. it's easy to call everyone in the USA too greedy and say that's the cuase of the trouble, but the majority of us don't want the current ILLEGAL banking system that runs here. yes, the Federal Reserve Bank, a private institution that has no legal authority to print our money and yet it does. it's part of the same system that runs everyone else's money. now what should we do?

It was worded wrongly.

Is the SOPA functionality included in the Copyright Act?

why is that needed?

that functionaluity only kicks in when someone has enough money to litigate. if someone has enough money to litigate, the functionality is not required. on the other hand, power is given to the "authority" that never existed before. all power to the central authority is great if that authority is truly working for justice. is that truly the case, or is the example after example of the opposite?

let me guess, who runs Denmark? is it mostly ethnic Danes? maybe since everyone is in the same tribe there is a bit more responsibility and accountability to the central authority....

look, the folks in DC don't give a damn about you, me or our petty copyright issues. they don't care one bit. if you REALLY think that people who don't care have put together a bill to HELP people, you are a f***ing idiot.

again, copyright laws ALREADY protect the right holder's interests. whether or not these laws are enforced, or one has the funds to litigate has nothing to do with the ABILITY to remedy any wrongdoing. this WILL NOT change via this bill.


i don't need a "big brother" to hold my hand every day.

i don't need a mafia to offer me "protection" either.

garyb wrote:by the way, it's the banking SYSTEM that killed Iceland, not Greece or the USA. it's easy to call everyone in the USA too greedy and say that's the cuase of the trouble, but the majority of us don't want the current ILLEGAL banking system that runs here. yes, the Federal Reserve Bank, a private institution that has no legal authority to print our money and yet it does. it's part of the same system that runs everyone else's money. now what should we do?

I was only saying that the response of Iceland was to not have the masses accept responsibility and bail out the few. In the US (and elsewhere), we did not respond the same.

@Warp69: It does infer liability: even though in the second clause, it clearly states that it does not change liability as defined in "title 17"...., it DOES make some one liable to: respond AND act in 5 days or less to ANY request. The Requests (judicial order) do not need to bear burden of proof of wrong doing, only suspicion. Also defined in the law, is that a "proper defense" is to respond within 5 days, and PROVE that one either can't comply, or provide other reasons for not complying.

In the US, our system of law is based on an accuser PROVING the guilt of a suspect. This is reversed in the implementation of this law, where the accused must prove their own innocence.

Thus, if a business or person does not conform within 5 days, the judicial order can be summoned to block payments received or made and also block DNS translation to a company's address. By not acting in 5 days or less, a business then becomes suspect to subverting the law...and opens itself to charges of a felony offense.

What if I have a blog from my house, and I allow comments on my page. I also receive advertising income from ads on my page. Then someone puts copyrighted material as a comment in my blog. I go away on vacation, and somehow an order is made to me to remove all offending material. Obviously, I am away, and don't comply. But by not complying with the order within 5 days, I am now susceptible to charges myself. Therefore, I either need to be able to police my own blog (and prevent posters from using copyright material), or be able to react to an order within 5 days, or suffer the consequences (loss of ad income, loss of DNS direction to my blog, charges against me for promoting the proliferation of copyrighted material, etc).

besides, MOST of the ninnying about "copyright" is just "fair use" subverted...

that is, just because a use is inconvienient, unwanted, or embarrassing does not mean that it's an infringment. there are those who wish to eliminate "fair use", however. those who want to control all access to information, especially embarrassing information....

jk-excellent point about "proven guilty"....