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[HUROLURA]

100% agree with Gary.

From my first Scope technology contact back in 2006 I spent as much money for my scope PCI cards as for my Xite-1 unit (but most of the money on PCI card was spent before the Xite-1 release). The overall power I do have now splitted on my 3 scope PCI systems just provide a little more just provide me half the power of an Xite-1 (with more IO but I use part of them to interconnect the different subsystems) so slightly more than an Xite-1D.
I just stopped spending money on any gear to spare for the Xite-1 and sold some other gears (including some VA synth). This was my plan.

On the over hand if you just want to test and taste the scope VA synth sound, there are severall solutions including the NOAH, the ASB, Klangboxes and the Plugiator. All of them being only one part except for the NOAH. The plugiator is as flexible and nearly as powerfull as the NOAH but is limited to one part and needs a computer to achieve sound design. The ASB range are more interesting by providing a usefull direct access to the sound that I miss on both the NOAH and Plugiator. The NOAH still is a great unit in that part ...

[Monotron]

OK, so I've checked out the Noah manual - all well and good. Anyone know where I can find the Xite manual? Seems like it doesn't exist!!! I've tried installing the scope software so that I could maybe use the online help, but it won't let me do it as it can't find any hardware.

Ref licensing, is there any limit to the amount of PC's I install the software onto? Can I have it on my laptop and my desktop without any issues?

Am seriously considering the Xite now, but finding information/documentation on it is painfully hard!

[garyb]

no issues for the software being installed on a million pcs. the software is useless without the hardware itself and the keys attached to it.

the Scope manual is just a reference book. it's not a "how to" book. Scope does require a basic understanding of the functions of the tools and hardware in a real studio, or at least a willingness and desire to learn about those things. other than that, it's pretty much connect whatever to whatever however it makes sense to do what you want to do, just like if you had a room with synths, mixers, lots of fx, a few recorders, and a whole bunch of cabling and patchbays with patch cables. Scope will inteface with the real world in real time, and the best Scope devices are of the quality, or just shy of the quality of the very best hardware, so it's a great live tool too. you can consider an XITE at least a 10 year investment. many pci cards in use today are approaching 15 years of use.

Scope downloads are here, including manuals, any Scope manual will do to get what's up. manuals are in pdf format:
http://sonic-core.net/joomla.soniccore/ ... 54&lang=us
the v4.5 manual is under "documentation" towards the botton. v5.1 manuals are part of the install, but if you pm me, i'll email you a copy.

[HUROLURA]

Also suscribe Dante Scope user newsletters:

http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=29424

It would also give you some hints about way of using scope and Xite ...

[Monotron]

Also suscribe Dante Scope user newsletters:

http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=29424

It would also give you some hints about way of using scope and Xite ...

Perfect! Thanks.

[jhulk]

get a scope pro card they go for 400-700

and if you are lucky to get 1 with 5.1 then the only one you will miss is the odyssey

but you get mod3 and if you get the flexor 3 and john bowen rd modules then you can make any va you want as you have proper cem and ssm filter and osc models so you can emulate old gear

the only downer for me is no wave scanning osc for user transwaves or wavetables like in the blofeld but you do have the waLDORF OSC so all the included tables in the blofeld are there

i own a real prophet vs and am putting my waveforms and creating the patches from my sysex collection if only that had sysex import and the ssm filters but it sounds great

will be uploading those patches when i have transfered 128 patches

and i use a quasimidi cyber6 control keyboard which has a 8 track sequencer and 2 special arpegs that can trigger upto 32 midi channels so you can do wavesequencing like the korg wavestation

and use the other for vangelis type chops

im workibg on a mod3 synth its a roland d50 but with all the waveforms from the d50 the d110 the d70 the korg m1 and t1 and the korg wavestation including all the waveform cards

all the sounds from the quasimidi ravolution 309 and 1000 from my transwaves single cycle sounds including the 100 that i gave to exite live for the solaris

ill also be uploading this once i have made it perfect and will be asking one of the members to write a synth nscreen for it

if your up to programming and like modular aproach then you can make any synth that you can picture

just look at the solaris and you will see what can be accomplished

and you also have a great community to help you with any problems you get

[HUROLURA]

5x the power of Noah means 20 part multitimbral?!

Just made an attempt to illustratre this on Xite-1 using the Minimax as a measurement tool.

The Noah Ex can be up to 4 part multi. Having a 20 part multi is maybe a bit strange.
But to reach a 4 part Multi Minimax on Noah you have to cope with polyphony limitation to 3 notes for each part.
If you want to have more notes you need to sacrifice some parts. Another mode available on the Noah Ex is to use it as a two part multi unit each providing 6 notes (which is something that can be usefull in case you play chords in the polymoog spirit).

So if you imagine you setup something with 5 NOAH Ex each providing 2 minimax instance with 6 notes polyphony you come down to something that can be usefull at come back to a 10 part multitimbral MINIMAX each with 6 notes.

I setup my Xite-1 to check if this was possible to reach.
Result is: this can be achieved with the Xite-1.

The NOAH also provide by default 1 chorus unit + 1 delay unit + 1 reverb unit and 2 additionnal FX you can choose and assign to any of the instrument with the limitation to 2 FX (a subset of what is available for Scope).
Here you have to now that as each Minimax part on the NOAH does not have a dedicate chorus+delay combo but the Scope version do provide this. So this means you can have different settings for these effects on each part on the Xite Scope version. You could achieve similar result on my 2 part per NOAH Ex example by using the 2 extra FX for that purpose.
Then you have one reverb on the NOAH Ex which is similar to Masterverb "Classic". So to achieve something really comparable to what a 5 NOAH EX stack would provide I tryed to add 5 Masterverb Classic to the Xite project ... and succeeded. There the DSP ressource was almost brought to the limit. I could even add one additional masterverb but had to wait for some optimization process to be done. I tryed further having to wait for optimisation between each addition (showing that working near the limit becomes less comfortable) but finally reach the limit with 4 extra instance "only" and lot's of DSP capacity limit message then.

[HUROLURA]

And here is a short DEMO of what can be achieved with such a setup...

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also available on soundcloud:
http://soundcloud.com/hurolura/minigang-x

[Monotron]

Thanks for all your support and input guys, esp. Hurolura - demo's and all (too bad I'm at my work desk at the moment so will have to wait until lunch time to get my headphones on and have a listen - DOH)!!!

Here's the current situ: I have a standard Noah arriving today (YAY!) which I got at a good price (so will be able to sell on at minimal/no loss when I upgrade). I decided that I *really* needed to have a play with these synths before I could drop ££££'s on an Xite or Scope Pro (I'm just a hobbyist, so it's big bucks for me)!

The lure for me at the moment is that many are saying that the VA's are some of the best available and very close to a true analog sound. I've been through a few VA's over the last year and have learned that my tastes are a little different to most. The Ion, MS2000, Virus B, JP8000 etc all left me fairly unimpressed.

Only the (sadly bug ridden) Waldorf Blofeld really 'does it' for me - such a great solid sound. If the Creamware/SC stuff has that kind of 'oompf', then I think I will be uprgrading to an Xite or Scope pro sooner than later! If I can pretty much replace all my gear with 1 card, then it's a no brainer as I can pay for it with the money I get from my other synths. Except the Blofeld - I'll never sell that!

[garyb]

the Noah is the tip of the iceburg. you'll like it, i think. it's a bit quirky, but it's a really cool synth...

[the19thbear]

I sold my moog voyager because the minimax sounded just as good - the vooyager filter had the distinct moog sound, which the minimax lacked imo, but other than that, i really didnt miss it ( well i always miss the hands on thing from real analog synths.. but thats another thing).
On the moog forum they did an A/B/C test with sound samples and everything, and people felt that the original minimoog was superior, but that the vooyager and the minimax were equals, each with their own strenghts/weaknesses

Soniccore does sound good

[Monotron]

Well, I'm very impressed with the Noah! Not only with the sound, but also with the sturdy build quality. The Prodyssey can sound every bit as analogue as my MS6 and Pulse, and that's the synth which has impressed me the most so far. I find it easy to edit from the front panel (haven't installed the software yet) and I also have an X-Station I could hook up.

I have an EX lined up for purchase already (and a buyer for my 2 part Noah!) and I think I'm going with that at this stage. I will look to get an Xite once they start hitting the second hand market.

Thanks everybody for all of your help and views. Now to make some MUSIC!

[HUROLURA]

Here are some templates I made years ago to tweek the NOAh from the X-Station (Minimax, Pro-One and LightWave):

http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=30497

From what I remember, the only problem there is : the waveform selection of the Lightwave doesn't work, but from my tests it would be a "small" NOAH bug ...

I just noticed I never posted them.

I also have a few preset from 2006 I just reloaded in this topic:

http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php ... 93#p143393

Hope you'll have fun with the NOAH ...

Do not expect to see many Xite on the 2nd hand market ...
You'd better start sparing for the Xite-1 small sister: the Xite-1D (no pre-amp 4 big DSP instead of 12, half the price)

[Monotron]

Here are some templates I made years ago to tweek the NOAh from the X-Station (Minimax, Pro-One and LightWave):

http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=30497

Nooooooooo!!! I officially LOVE you now!

Meant to ask you - on your Xite demo posted above, what is the strange 'clicking' noise? Is it intentional?

[HUROLURA]

Meant to ask you - on your Xite demo posted above, what is the strange 'clicking' noise? Is it intentional?

Normally everything is MINIMAX based and you have to know that I love noisy sounds ...

To be more accurate, at what time do can you ear that noise, all the time of just in some part of the clip ?