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Re: MIDI fader Jumps in Scope mixer when I use external cont

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:58 am
by astroman
not to forget those of the IO-plate.
There have been failures reported which could be fixed by removing and re-plugging the plate.
Be careful, it sticks really tight as it's a 2 side connection.
After years the metal of the contacts may develope contact corrosion by reaction of the different components that make up the 'metal'. The material isn't uniform. Replacing usually rubs the 'bad' part away.
Imho the closer you live to the sea (or any other 'aggressive' air environment), the more likely corrosion is.
Sidenote: they only use stainless steel anchcors for climbing protection in coastal areas today.
A traditional 10mm steel bolt is rotten within 3-5 years. It will LOOK ok, but the inner structure won't take any severe fall reliably.

Regarding contact surfaces we're talking about something anywhere between 1/100 to 1/10 of a millimeter...

cheers, Tom

Re: MIDI fader Jumps in Scope mixer when I use external cont

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:37 am
by Music Manic
garyb wrote:maybe. maybe it's time to clean the connectors...
I'll give it a go but I just feel that the guys that sold it knew it was faulty. I use to have my Keyboard attached to it and always thought Cubase was the problem with audio.

I bought the same board from Jimmy a while back and it flies to this day.

Thanks

Re: MIDI fader Jumps in Scope mixer when I use external cont

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:39 am
by Music Manic
astroman wrote:not to forget those of the IO-plate.
There have been failures reported which could be fixed by removing and re-plugging the plate.
Be careful, it sticks really tight as it's a 2 side connection.
After years the metal of the contacts may develope contact corrosion by reaction of the different components that make up the 'metal'. The material isn't uniform. Replacing usually rubs the 'bad' part away.
Imho the closer you live to the sea (or any other 'aggressive' air environment), the more likely corrosion is.
Sidenote: they only use stainless steel anchcors for climbing protection in coastal areas today.
A traditional 10mm steel bolt is rotten within 3-5 years. It will LOOK ok, but the inner structure won't take any severe fall reliably.

Regarding contact surfaces we're talking about something anywhere between 1/100 to 1/10 of a millimeter...

cheers, Tom
Ye I did that Tom and the plastic that seats the pins was slightly bent, so I think the problem is there slightly.

Thanks

Re: MIDI fader Jumps in Scope mixer when I use external cont

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:50 am
by astroman
don't worry - that stuff can be bent pretty far and still work ok. There's a strong tension inside the connector.
In fact it's almost impossible not to bend the pins if you're unprepared to the sudden 'jump' the plate makes when coming off the board... :D
I think you checked almost every item possible without measuring gear.
If the unreliable operation remains (and you have another card), you could still use it without the plate for DSP power/ licenses.
In that case your system should stabilize - and you have a faulty IO-plate.
But if all was in vain, the reverse is more likely: the card is faulty and the plate is ok.
Last but not least there's (of course) a tiny chance that both parts are damaged.

good luck with it, Tom

Re: MIDI fader Jumps in Scope mixer when I use external cont

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:13 am
by Music Manic
astroman wrote: If the unreliable operation remains (and you have another card), you could still use it without the plate for DSP power/ licenses.
In that case your system should stabilize - and you have a faulty IO-plate. Tom
Ah! Didn't think of that.

I will give it a go. Thanks for your help.

Re: MIDI fader Jumps in Scope mixer when I use external cont

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:34 am
by Music Manic
astroman wrote: If the unreliable operation remains (and you have another card), you could still use it without the plate for DSP power/ licenses.
In that case your system should stabilize - and you have a faulty IO-plate.

good luck with it, Tom
You were right Astroman.

Running solid with no exception errors for a few days!

I bet it'll go wrong today :lol:

Thanks a million