Nails in the Coffin

[astroman]

funny stuff in a local TV report about a team fighting a so called 'fire' deep within a former heap from coal mining.
Since before 1960 one couldn't separate coal from rock very well, so those heaps bear a significat amount of coal.
Under certain conditions the stuff can (kind of) self-ignite and keep burning for years.
In fact one such heaps was 'active' for > 200 years as Goethe already mentioned it... wow...
Never heard of this before - it's not like open fire, but the oxydation results in 300 degree Celsius several 100 feet below ground.

Not very spectacular, but the dude from the expert team said they more or less used this as a training and experimentation field for the real stuff.
In China there are (estimated) 20 million tons 'burning' this way silently below the surface, emitting twice the amount of carbon dioxide that all travel in Europe releases into the atmosphere.

ok, this is man made, cause the heaps are... but it's an interesting figure about 'dimension'

cheers, Tom

[garyb]

look, the whole thing is a lie and a scam.

there is not any such significant thing as man-made "global warming" due to CO2 "greenhouse gasses", period.

[netguyjoel]

By now...anyone that can think for themselves, (with the absolute exposure of those liars) can see this is all a bunch of bullshit. Big Government trying to steal more & more of YOUR money...plain and simple.....

[siriusbliss]

I think all those 'elitists' at Copenhagen should be taxed for all the hot-air and CO2 they'll be emitting at that 'conference'.

Greg

[garyb]

sorry, Greg. they've already purchased their "carbon credits" which give them the right to be pigs. they'll sell their exemptions to you for a profit, though....

[astroman]

Gary, you know I don't believe in this man-made-climate-change-I-dunnowhat.
Found the 'hidden coal burn' story mostly interesting for it's complete lack of public mentioning.
If they consider a thing emitting twice the CO2 of this continent's traffic neglectible...
well, makes me wonder what else they may consider neglectible, too.
Of course they lie...

cheers, Tom

ps: regarding EC regulations... if a shepherd looses 1 single sheep, he's supposed to recount and renumber the whole herd...
with new earmarks for both(!) ears ... poor animals
Pointless, useless... bureaucrats, and there's hardly anything you can do against this kind of mob

[netguyjoel]

I think all those 'elitists' at Copenhagen should be taxed for all the hot-air and CO2 they'll be emitting at that 'conference'.

Greg

YES! I wonder how many carbon emissions their private jets emitted...

[siriusbliss]

sorry, Greg. they've already purchased their "carbon credits" which give them the right to be pigs. they'll sell their exemptions to you for a profit, though....

So, where can I buy these credits?
Can I sell them to Alcoa at a profit in order to keep them from producing fluoride that's being put in our water supply in order to dumb us down?
Doesn't fluoride production create a HUGE CO2 byproduct?
Or how about all the CO2 emissions caused by the manufacture of those fancy 'energy saving' fluorescent bulbs?

Can I get a tax credit for putting a windmill on my house? Will Schwarzenegger give me a tax-break for putting solar panels on my car?
Can I get a credit for not eating beef? (Cutting down the rainforest so that McDonalds can produce cheap flatulating beef).
Where's MY carbon credits?



p.s. and how come they can leave Sea World, golf courses, and surf-parks turned on and I'm told to reduce water consumption? I mean, I haven't watered my lawn in over 4 years, and I only take one shower a week (and I get pretty stinky).

[garyb]

Gary, you know I don't believe in this man-made-climate-change-I-dunnowhat.
Found the 'hidden coal burn' story mostly interesting for it's complete lack of public mentioning.
If they consider a thing emitting twice the CO2 of this continent's traffic neglectible...
well, makes me wonder what else they may consider neglectible, too.
Of course they lie...

cheers, Tom

ps: regarding EC regulations... if a shepherd looses 1 single sheep, he's supposed to recount and renumber the whole herd...
with new earmarks for both(!) ears ... poor animals
Pointless, useless... bureaucrats, and there's hardly anything you can do against this kind of mob

yes, i know you're too intelligent to be fooled by such a con. as to what can be done, a disarmed, dependant population that has become the ward of the state really can't do anything, any more than Sparticus could free all his fellow slaves(and he was armed). too many will become scared when they realize that their future is in their own hands...

"mob" is the proper designation, because it's a mafia, for sure.

[garyb]

sorry, Greg. they've already purchased their "carbon credits" which give them the right to be pigs. they'll sell their exemptions to you for a profit, though....

So, where can I buy these credits?
Can I sell them to Alcoa at a profit in order to keep them from producing fluoride that's being put in our water supply in order to dumb us down?
Doesn't fluoride production create a HUGE CO2 byproduct?
Or how about all the CO2 emissions caused by the manufacture of those fancy 'energy saving' fluorescent bulbs?

Can I get a tax credit for putting a windmill on my house? Will Schwarzenegger give me a tax-break for putting solar panels on my car?
Can I get a credit for not eating beef? (Cutting down the rainforest so that McDonalds can produce cheap flatulating beef).
Where's MY carbon credits?



p.s. and how come they can leave Sea World, golf courses, and surf-parks turned on and I'm told to reduce water consumption? I mean, I haven't watered my lawn in over 4 years, and I only take one shower a week (and I get pretty stinky).

sorry again, Greg. the powers that be have decided that prosperity is not for you....

[skwawks]

Better still to mandate solar power cells on every new building and make every city a power station .And I totally agree about nanny states .
best thing of all ditch Gasoline

[dawman]

Liars and cheats, just like their freakshow politically correct UN Bosses and Al Gore.
Let's get rid of plastics too, that's proven to be harmful, but OMG no more Chemical corporation campaign contributions.
These guys were so complacent with their security & emails. It shows how far above all of us they really believe themselves to be.
We have no one to blame but ourselves.
We voted in these freaks.
If I see one more Green commercial with people holding hands skipping through flowerery fields I am going to puke.
I want these bastards punished, and make them return their Austin Healys and Jaguars.
Better yet, let the public know where they work and live, just like Acorn and the SEIU do over her to CEO's.

[Neutron]

I think it might be a good idea to concentrate on pollutants which can harm people rather than CO2 which is a normal gas in the atmosphere, i was reading something the other day (may be true or may not) that 16 big ships crate more sulphur pollution than all the cars in the world.

[siriusbliss]

Don't worry, the more impoverished, enslaved, and dependent we become, the more addicted to cheap, fattening fast-food (and soon government funded pharmaceutical drugs) we become, thereby by being overweight we end up expelling too much CO2 (by breathing or farting), which will force the goberment to then 'regulate' our weight and health. They'll deem whether or not we 'comply with government standards', and therefore whether or not we qualify for 'free' health-care.

Pretty damn ingenious ponzy scheme if you ask me.

But they won't stop cutting down the rainforest to 'manufacture' more cheap beef (and therefore creating more sulfure-laden outgassing), as well as CO2 output from shipping all that beef, as well as subsidizing American (or any other country's) farmers to NOT grow crops or raise cattle. Wanna save farming in the US? Just let them grow hemp and use that for diesel fuel. Pay the farmers in the midwest (like tornado alley) to park a windmill in their corner of their farm property.

Yes, I read somewhere about ships of sulphur equating the output of all automobiles.

Oh, by the way, we COULD look at the Xite as being 'green', since it saves us money buying a lot of extra hardware, and therefore saves a lot of manufacturing overhead (chemical pollutants in the manufacturing of PCB's and chips), and effectively hires more programmers
It also saves us electricity (including air conditioning and fans to cool the computers and PCI cards).

Hey, I think we're on to something here...

Greg

[garyb]

i was reading something the other day (may be true or may not) that 16 big ships crate more sulphur pollution than all the cars in the world

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if that's true, then you can understand how it's better to make the big bankers rich setting up manufacturing far away from the market and then shipping it in mega loads and then blame us for being greedy, than to have local manufacturing making a quality product and then shipping shorter distances and in smaller amounts, but for a fair price...

[iSiStOy]

Modern logistic is a key element in all this but it is also a key for the "assistance" to others.
IMHO, the more the fuel price is high, the more our current global logistics will have to slow down.

[garyb]

Modern logistic is a key element in all this but it is also a key for the "assistance" to others.
IMHO, the more the fuel price is high, the more our current global logistics will have to slow down.

this might be true in a real open marketplace. however, when the same folks that have locked up all the manufacturing are the same ones that have fuel locked up, they only pay the minimal actual cost of fuel, not the inflated sucker price the rest of us pay. there is NO reason for gasoline to cost us more than 75 cents a gallon, even with reasonable taxation based on the actual costs of extraction, refinement and transport and distribution. they are gouging. deisel is even cheaper, as it's kerosene, the JUNK leftovers of gasoline refinement(which is more expensive than the gasoline that takes infinitely more effort to make). if they wanted to, they could provide equally cheap or cheaper alternatives. the people who control these markets do not do things to make you happy, they have their own agenda.

the reason logistics are as they are is that the big investment bankers will NOT provide capital for industry except for where they are providing it. look at S/C amd how hard it is for a small company making a quality product to succeed. advertising budgets insure that the typical unimaginative human being will flock to a company like digidesign for a m-audio box that provides a fraction of the quality and function that a Pulsar2 card does at what, by studio standards is a pitifully small savings and feel like they're making a smart decision. people are conditioned to want lots of crap instead of a few really nice things. THAT is what drives things like global logistics. it is empire, and it's incomprehensible in purpose to the human beings that are subjected to or are subjects of it.

higher fuel prices will only affect YOUR personal ability to move about and to eat.

[siriusbliss]

I still prefer buying local fruits and vegetables rather than the crap in the grocery stores that's shipped in from all over the world.

Greg

[dawman]

I really miss the weekend drive through the mountains to Modesto for the farmers roadside stands.The quality is twice as good and half the price.
Once you buy there, you realize the convenient grocery stores sell the shit that's for people who have no time to eat right, or shop smart.
I go to a large retailer here in Vegas that actually has major babes and produce.
Smiths is full of large humans who care not where their produce comes from, and want the cheapest stuff.
I often wondered though, since we are dying a slow death and having these record droughts and heat index records, where is all of this food coming from....? Surely not Mexico, that fruit is thrown away as soon as they smash the melons and pull out the Kilos.
San Isidro has literally Millions of Casaba and Watermelon rines littering the roadside rest stops.
I refuse to become miserable living in a world of lies and deceptions, I will continue ignoring the media and the politicians that have fecal matter oozing from their mouth when they speak....
Now the scientists are plotting...? WTF.....I kind of wish there was a rapture sometimes. We would be free of lawyers, booking agents, and politicians in one fell swoop.

Anyone hear Obama yesterday doing a total flip flop on how the private sector is the only way to get the ecocomy working again....? I was shocked at the complete flip, flop his teleprompters told him to say. Well I gues that now the politicians are done feasting on the stimulus package, reality has set in, and Lo and Behold, voters are angry and want thier hides. They can spew all of the rhetoric they want in 2010, they are history and I am afraid we will get a new crop of liars and thieves.
I should run for office. I'd love to have a job where all I do is spend money, and steal and lie.....Perfect training for becoming a booking agent.

[netguyjoel]

Shit...I'd vote for ya...so long as I get a seatt in the Cabinet....