Suspected Hemorrhagic Pneumonia Outbreak Hits Ukraine

[kensuguro]

gary, you must be speaking of virii in general.. bird related ones (type A) have only reached us humans because of mutation. The virus spread when pathogenic strains were born by chance and made its way to humans. Well, unless you say all outbreaks are caused by biological weapons.. which, very particular to US, I wouldn't be surprised if some were tests, but hard to say that all of them are, esp going back into history.

[valis]

SARS had a very coincidental timing for its first outbreak though, given that Colin Powell was in the midst of trying to give some half-baked multimedia presentation on the threat of 'mobile weapons labs' as the justification for...well we all know that story.

Also a lot of the media hype around the Swine Flu is also...misleading. CDC for the US just released figures on the number of Swine flu deaths in the US this year: roughly 4000. I've heard it on every major news outlet now since it was a press release and have already heard mutterings in the population that lives around me about it (wow, four THOUSAND people?) Again though the 'normal' flu has killed 16,000 in the US during the same time. There's a small but significant weighting on the distrubution of deaths for the Swine flu towards young adults & children vs. the normal flu that seems to hit the elderly and poor in greater numbers (ill health or lacking in health care & proper nutritiion) but you still rarely hear that mentioned (I've only heard it once out of context on CNN and occasionally in multi-panel discussions on NPR it gets tossed out but quickly followed up with the 'potential' for Swine flu.)

Looking back at the Avian flu media coverage, one of the actors benefitting from the 'doubling up' on vaccines by many was Donald Rumsfeld, who had disclosed that he owned shares in Gilead Sciences, Inc., the developer of Tamiflu to the tune of between 5 million & 25 million. In 2001 Gilead went from a range of $6.64 per share up to a high of $17.93 (a decent spread although of course performing below that later) and then by Quarter 1 of 2006...$53 to $65.62 per share (a rather significant increase driven imo primarily from media coverage of the scares of Avian flu in particular.)

[garyb]

gary, you must be speaking of virii in general.. bird related ones (type A) have only reached us humans because of mutation. The virus spread when pathogenic strains were born by chance and made its way to humans. Well, unless you say all outbreaks are caused by biological weapons.. which, very particular to US, I wouldn't be surprised if some were tests, but hard to say that all of them are, esp going back into history.

actually, by chance is nearly impossible. there are very specific techniques necessary to incubate a virus to make it virulent for another species. back into history only means 1918. eugenics societies in london and nyc wrote very detailed essays on the need to cull the population through such a disease in 1911, and the understanding of disease was sufficient in that time to engineer a disease. basically ALL flu is bird flu. the intermediary is the pig....

go ahead and get the flu shot if you want it. just be aware that it's contaminated and that it will NOT work for any strain that is currently rampant, including some possible future super bug.

[siriusbliss]

...go ahead and get the flu shot if you want it. just be aware that it's contaminated and that it will NOT work for any strain that is currently rampant, including some possible future super bug.

nevermind reports of many people having neurological reactions to the so-called 'vaccines'.
...and rampant autism in children.

Greg

[okantah]

H all
i found Dr Robert Strecker augument on virus very interesting,like to share with you.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3216962479#

[valis]

Autism has been anecdotally linked to many things lately, not just vaccines. Meaning there's still nothing conclusive, but it's good to be aware of it nonetheless.

I understand the ideas behind trying to vaccinate populations to prevent 'pandemics'. But even a cursory examination of the subject reveals the problems that come with human error in normal production of known-good pharmacology (mistakes and contamination) and distribution. Mix in even more motivations like the aforementioned capitalistic intentions (where profit motives tends to trump or at least quash details in the short term) and it's already messy before even considering our own current mistaken assumptions or understandings about 'the way things work'. Ie, our ability to convince ourselves how incredibly 'advanced' we suddenly are compared to 10, 20, 50 years ago as if just lately we've gotten it 'all figured out'.

All of that before even considering conspiracies and disinformation, and it's easy to see why it's at least worth asking questions about these things imo. I'll certainly each shot given to my children on its own merits (hpv & flu etc) and haven't had a flu shot since I was an adult.

[kensuguro]

ya, i never understood the whole thing with vaccines in the us.. it's just like.. all these things just don't work. don't you get tired of having to worry about all these things?

[garyb]

actually, i don't. worrying wouldn't help anyway.

[braincell]

Te people afraid of vaccines are among the many paranoid people. They are afraid of radio waves, the government and a myriad of other things. Insane people!

[garyb]

Te people afraid of vaccines are among the many paranoid people. They are afraid of radio waves, the government and a myriad of other things. Insane people!

that's funny. yep, most doctors won't give their families these vaccines. they'll surely pressure you into using them, though...being afraid of them really is past the point. the main thing is that a flu vaccine can't possibly work. do watcha like, though, for sure....

of course, guys like Thomas Jefferson warned that people shouldn't trust the government if they wanted to avoid tyranny and radio waves have been shown to be harmful in high doses by many well respected studies. what are you trying to say?

[valis]

Why whatever do you mean GaryB? They started working on this H1N1 (Swine flu variant) vaccine 3 years ago, you'd think with 3 years of development it would work EXTRA good on the current outbreak.

[garyb]

something like that...they got in their time machine and saw the exact variant in the upcoming outbreak and then went back into the past to develope the vaccine so that we could all be safe...

[FrancisHarmany]

so thats how they knew.....

[FrancisHarmany]

here some video on the guy who was arrested after announcing that baxter was going to release/working on some bioweapon in Ukraine

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8239

[FrancisHarmany]

http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/

unverified.....



Russian Article About Ukraine - Says Not Swine Flu

Influenza in Ukraine mutated and burns the lungs,

say British scientists

Article:


British scientists studying a strain of swine influenza, because of which the epidemic began in Ukraine, suspect that there was a dangerous virus mutation, writes Daily Mail.

Некоторые симптомы, по словам врачей напоминают вирус "испанки", вспыхнувшей в Европе после Первой мировой войны. Some of the symptoms, doctors say resemble virus "Spanish flu" outbreak in Europe after the First World War. Тогда от вируса умерло по меньшей мере 20 миллионов человек, передаёт InoРressa . Then the virus have died at least 20 million people, reports InoRressa.

В пользу версии о мутации вируса, по словам врачей, говорит то, что лёгкие жертв болезни становятся чёрными, как уголь. In favor of the version of mutation of the virus, according to doctors, said that the lungs of victims of the disease are black as coal.

[valis]

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11090 ... Lungs.html

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11090 ... _1918.html

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/140 ... swine-flu-

http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/2009/ ... pread.html

http://mignews.com.ua/en/categ408/articles/378759.html

http://thisistheendoftheworldasweknowit ... tions-grow

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15945

http://uspolitics.tribe.net/thread/af8a ... c319a36867

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I make no claims to the authenticity of any info above, merely responding with a few links I found while watching a movie with my wife (that I had already seen once before )

[braincell]

The vaccine doesn't have to be exactly tailored to minor variations in H1N1 in order to prevent you from dying from it as I understand it. Partial immunity could be enough to save your life.

There was a story in the UK about a girl who died 4 hours after getting a vaccination. It went national and people became very afraid of having the vaccine. The autopsy later showed that she died from an undiagnosed brain tumor, yet that result didn't really make the news. This is how false information gets spread. Vitamin D doesn't cure the cold or anything else. Countless studies have proven this yet people still buy this myth. It is perpetuated by over the counter cold remedies which advertise that they have added vitamin C. The FDA should crack down on this. While they don't say vitamin C cures anything, the inference is clear.

[FrancisHarmany]

That is interesting. I have not heard about partial protection.

RussiaToday
17 november 2009

Ukrainian doctors say the victims lungs are as black as charcoal. This prompts fresh concern that the swine flu virus has taken a deadly new form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEN3swiFcYY

[valis]

There's been news/press release coverage of attempts to use 'protein markers' from the swine flu to help the body build up potential immunities, stating that there has been some success with this. However my recollection is that this is related to the Swine Flu, which seems to be 1/4 less deadly (at least according to US statistics) than the 'normal' flu. So if you want to get a vaccine for something that's got less of a chance to kill you than the normal flu braincell, be my guest. I've no idea why you're throwing in issues with Vitamin C & D (of which there also happen to be a myriad of forms, some which are far more easily utlilized by your body than others btw.)

Your thread here Francis is about something else entirely (Hemorrhagic flu/pneumonia), which I actually wasn't aware of until you posted it but since it's come up I've had online conversations with some friends in Eastern Europe where this actually seems to be on people's radar. There isn't a lot of news coverage of it and the people who talked about it seemed to think that having untrustworthy news about health concerns (and financial reports etc) was par for the course where they lived anyway, so it's hard to know what the 'truth' of the matter is. I dug around a bit online during the movie (among other things I was doing) and posted up what little info I could find.

[braincell]

My point about vitamin C is to emphasize the prevalence of medical myths. No form of Vitamin C cures the cold.