Happy Birthday U.S.A.
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Re: Happy Birthday U.S.A.
buy up wholely imploded sovereign nations, hijack the citizenry as slave labor to 'rebuild' the country for pennies on the Euro.Shroomz~> wrote:Greg that IMF flag can't be correct. It should read 'Incidental Monetary Fraud' or something. There should also be a slogan beneath the logo on the flag that reads "Leading the way in the business of collapsing 3rd world economies on behalf of the Federal Reserve & international bankers".
Greg
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all IMF money goes through Rothschild operations...
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Here's the one Rothschild gal from Chicago that backed Hillary, and then Sarah Palin.
Talk about a refinement of a previuos position.
I think when she saw those videos of Sarah field dressing a Carribou she shot, she started having fantasies about muff diving in the White House.
We'll never know about the new way of nameless donors for Campaign contributions since the 1000 dollar ones require no names. Rumor has it she gave Hillary and Sarah each a million worth of the 1000 dollar non disclosure kind.
What's funny is they are SO wealthy giving away Millions and Millions is necessary for tax write offs.............Damn that must be nice.
Talk about a refinement of a previuos position.
I think when she saw those videos of Sarah field dressing a Carribou she shot, she started having fantasies about muff diving in the White House.
We'll never know about the new way of nameless donors for Campaign contributions since the 1000 dollar ones require no names. Rumor has it she gave Hillary and Sarah each a million worth of the 1000 dollar non disclosure kind.
What's funny is they are SO wealthy giving away Millions and Millions is necessary for tax write offs.............Damn that must be nice.
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from someone who was at the summit. verifiably so...but a terrible narrator...
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I guess we should change the national anthem to the tribal anthem.garyb wrote:"we" are not a nation. the Japanese PEOPLE are a nation. the French PEOPLE are a nation. the Scots(the PEOPLE) are a nation. AMERICA is not a nation, it's a land.
A tribe is a group of people who know each other. That is the last thing "we" are. You can't join a tribe and when tribes get too large, they split up into smaller tribes. That doesn't describe us at all. Tribes also exist to help each other. While some of us want to help each other, half of us don't give give a damn, as the opponents of National Health Care have made abundantly clear.
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Let's all just edit definitions to fit our current stance and perpetuate nonsense, eh? As for your ad hominem attacks, I don't think anyone has said they're against helping their fellow man. It does seem though that you hhave missed that we're discussing our take on the underlying point behind this bill (1. pass laws...2..????..3. profit!) This doesn't mean we "don't give a damn", it means we DO give a damn about having actual solutions and not just 'compliance fines' and more government sponsored industry.
Our government is in the process of socializing most of the lower class mortages, Fanny May is CONTINUING to issue those same 'problematic' mortgages even still and I thought that was the thing that led that organization to needing to be 'government backed'? Financial institutions have been given several rounds of 'payouts' for the big boys that 'we' want to see survive, and they've largely used that to purchase the other 'failing' (hey you don't get no money---nyaa nyaa) institutions & banks. And now this week GM is about to become 60% 'government backed' (ownership anyone?). Now onto the health care system!
Braincell, if you truly care about people who are 'put out of house & home into bankruptcy' due to health care costs when someone doesn't fall under insurance coverage, why don't we look a bit more at the root causes? In health care in particular the costs for the uninsured are inflated up to 200-300% over their 'insured' brethren, insured & uninsured are often given more procedures & treatments than they need to further inflate profits (there's a now well-renowned Texas county that stands as a great case for this) and insurance companies don't even pay line-item bills when they pay your hospital bills. They pay income streams in lump sums that allow hospitals to meet their projected staffing & other related costs month to month, and the hospitals then claim the insurance companies have 'negotiated better rates' than you can. Why can't I negotiate my rates too?
Sure does seem like the idea is to 'push' people into the slots the insurance companies & larger health care providers have so nicely 'provided' for us, and it seems to me this bill is more of the same.
Overall I don't think anyone is crying 'Commie!' or saying that socialized health care (or other 'basic' services) are a bad idea in general. It's just that the way the US economy & politics are structured socializing programs doesn't often seem to remove them from corruption & bloat, and there's precious little defined here to make this seem any different.
As a self-employed individual I have carried my own insurance before, to the tune of $230 a month: sole proprietor health coverage covering myself and a dependant plus dental & "accident" coverage, and the only tax breaks I get are when there is an actual BILL, I am allowed to have the wife pay for it from a 'personal account'-reimburse her-and then deduct that 'payout' from taxes. The last few months I've honestly been unable to afford that, and while I can opt for some of the Group Health provided services they say my income doesn't qualify me for coverage so my wife has gone up to 40hrs/week at her job to get coverage through them. We'll save money now but she's required to work 4-5 10/hr shifts a week to do that, which takes a toll after a while.
So I'm not sure if you've got a learning disability (something I've wondered before, no offense) or if you're just young, or perhaps obtuse. But there are probably very few people on these forums making enough money to be 'independantly wealthy' which makes us working class. Get off your high horse already, arguing is not what draws us to the Z.
Our government is in the process of socializing most of the lower class mortages, Fanny May is CONTINUING to issue those same 'problematic' mortgages even still and I thought that was the thing that led that organization to needing to be 'government backed'? Financial institutions have been given several rounds of 'payouts' for the big boys that 'we' want to see survive, and they've largely used that to purchase the other 'failing' (hey you don't get no money---nyaa nyaa) institutions & banks. And now this week GM is about to become 60% 'government backed' (ownership anyone?). Now onto the health care system!
Braincell, if you truly care about people who are 'put out of house & home into bankruptcy' due to health care costs when someone doesn't fall under insurance coverage, why don't we look a bit more at the root causes? In health care in particular the costs for the uninsured are inflated up to 200-300% over their 'insured' brethren, insured & uninsured are often given more procedures & treatments than they need to further inflate profits (there's a now well-renowned Texas county that stands as a great case for this) and insurance companies don't even pay line-item bills when they pay your hospital bills. They pay income streams in lump sums that allow hospitals to meet their projected staffing & other related costs month to month, and the hospitals then claim the insurance companies have 'negotiated better rates' than you can. Why can't I negotiate my rates too?
Sure does seem like the idea is to 'push' people into the slots the insurance companies & larger health care providers have so nicely 'provided' for us, and it seems to me this bill is more of the same.
Overall I don't think anyone is crying 'Commie!' or saying that socialized health care (or other 'basic' services) are a bad idea in general. It's just that the way the US economy & politics are structured socializing programs doesn't often seem to remove them from corruption & bloat, and there's precious little defined here to make this seem any different.
As a self-employed individual I have carried my own insurance before, to the tune of $230 a month: sole proprietor health coverage covering myself and a dependant plus dental & "accident" coverage, and the only tax breaks I get are when there is an actual BILL, I am allowed to have the wife pay for it from a 'personal account'-reimburse her-and then deduct that 'payout' from taxes. The last few months I've honestly been unable to afford that, and while I can opt for some of the Group Health provided services they say my income doesn't qualify me for coverage so my wife has gone up to 40hrs/week at her job to get coverage through them. We'll save money now but she's required to work 4-5 10/hr shifts a week to do that, which takes a toll after a while.
So I'm not sure if you've got a learning disability (something I've wondered before, no offense) or if you're just young, or perhaps obtuse. But there are probably very few people on these forums making enough money to be 'independantly wealthy' which makes us working class. Get off your high horse already, arguing is not what draws us to the Z.
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Braincell is fine.
He actually helps us by providing his copy and paste posts from Arianna Huffington's blog.
Fine by me, as I don't have to check into that site and give them higher numbers.
It's very entertaining to read the daily talking points provided by Braincell and the rest of those Amebas from that place.
Sometimes I actually think they believe ther fecal matter that falls from thier mouths is true.
She was actually a conserbative contributor and an anti Clintonite before Fox news took her job.
Now she has figured out a way to make money switching sides.
Oh well when you're old and ugly and from an Eastern Block country who married/divorced for citizenship, she's doing a fine job of earning money w/o having to work on her back.
He actually helps us by providing his copy and paste posts from Arianna Huffington's blog.
Fine by me, as I don't have to check into that site and give them higher numbers.
It's very entertaining to read the daily talking points provided by Braincell and the rest of those Amebas from that place.
Sometimes I actually think they believe ther fecal matter that falls from thier mouths is true.
She was actually a conserbative contributor and an anti Clintonite before Fox news took her job.
Now she has figured out a way to make money switching sides.
Oh well when you're old and ugly and from an Eastern Block country who married/divorced for citizenship, she's doing a fine job of earning money w/o having to work on her back.
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Well, it isn't unheard of to find people who seem to be 'obtuse' actually have some learning impairment that has retarded their social development. It's actually nice to know that (having seen something similar on other forums) because it can be factored into the discussion when that person is present.
It's funny though, whenever I am in one of these conversations and take the time to make my position clear to him I always get a few pm's from forum members in support (as if people can sense my exasperation). I can type & 'mind dump' rather quickly and when issues like these are vetted on forums it's very easy for me to expand on a few statements & expound at length in an effort for some semblance of clarity...I guess it might seem from some of my responses (like the RAID thread) that I'm about to pop a blood vessel or something, but I assure you that I'm not
It's funny though, whenever I am in one of these conversations and take the time to make my position clear to him I always get a few pm's from forum members in support (as if people can sense my exasperation). I can type & 'mind dump' rather quickly and when issues like these are vetted on forums it's very easy for me to expand on a few statements & expound at length in an effort for some semblance of clarity...I guess it might seem from some of my responses (like the RAID thread) that I'm about to pop a blood vessel or something, but I assure you that I'm not
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you wanna know why people are in danger of losing homes and need help with healthcare? how about "property tax"? more people are losing their homes that are PAID for because they are out of work and can't pay property tax than because of bad mortgages, many, many times more. there's big business in buying people's property that's been confiscated for failure to pay taxes in the more depressed areas of the country. some cities and counties have massive unemployment and people are losing their homes over a few hundred dollars of county tax, but hey, we're gonna help them by forcing them to buy healthcare coverage from the state...
how can it even be called home ownership when you can't even huddle in your shack until things get better without some gangster coming in and taking your shack from you because you didn't pay your protection money in time? oh, it's great giving government absolute power over people's lives because the people in government want to HELP sooooooo much.
how can it even be called home ownership when you can't even huddle in your shack until things get better without some gangster coming in and taking your shack from you because you didn't pay your protection money in time? oh, it's great giving government absolute power over people's lives because the people in government want to HELP sooooooo much.
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Thanks for reminding me.........
On rental income a property one can count on the 1st 4 months for federal income taxes, then 2 months for upkeep and 2 months for personal property taxes.
So for 32 years of being a loyal servant to the mortgage, the owmer gets 4 months.......
Of course I hate the Mafia called IRS.....run by a tax cheat himself.........
The 4 months of profit go for insurances for a continued guarantee of protection....
On rental income a property one can count on the 1st 4 months for federal income taxes, then 2 months for upkeep and 2 months for personal property taxes.
So for 32 years of being a loyal servant to the mortgage, the owmer gets 4 months.......
Of course I hate the Mafia called IRS.....run by a tax cheat himself.........
The 4 months of profit go for insurances for a continued guarantee of protection....
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The reason we have property tax is to pay for roads and schools. The federal government should be doing this through a graduated tax on income to insure all schools are equally funded. In fact the states should be abolished. They have proven to be a hindrance to progress, especially the conservatives ones. Some of the least populated states have way more power than they deserve over the rest of us. I'm talking about hypocritical bible thumpers and the "fiscal conservatives" who are against any social welfare programs.
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if you can tax my property and then take it from me for not paying the tax, then the property isn't mine and i'm either a slave or a serf. if you think that's a great thing braincell, try being a commoner in Europe during the middle ages, because that's what people always get when they lose their personal freedom and soveriegnty...how is it you go crazy when a poor person loses his home because of poor health and the expenses involved, but you don't mind when even more people lose their homes because they were poor and couldn't afford to pay what the government required?
we need to tax property to support schools? well then why is education in the USA at an all-time low as far as quality of instruction and the working knowledge of the graduates goes? before property tax supported public schools in the USA Americans were the most well-educated population on earth. can you say that today? in your great-grandfather's day, people had much bigger vocabularies and knew how to do things for themselves. regular people in the USA knew how to make everything they needed, they had real skills. now, nobody can do anything without the assistance of "experts". heck, young pregnant women need an "expert" to tell them how to care for a child. how did humanity survive for 100's of thousands of years without an expert to explain to them how to live? the stupification of humanity is so complete, the idiots don't even know how ignorant they are. it's not their fault, they were "socialized" into stupidity. if this is where my tax money goes(stupifying my and my fellow human's children), NO THANKS.
property tax's MAIN purpose is to remove a person's soveriegnty and there are actual documents that state this. if not for this tax, a person could sit on their own land, plant a garden and live their life independantly if that was their wish. what's wrong with that, except that that person isn't under "control"? having on'e own little piece of ground, one's own water allows one to have just a shred of dignity, something that a lover of humanity can't hate. only a hater of human beings can speak against it.
paying for roads? don't make me laugh. they have so many taxes that are supposed to be for that, but somehow the money is rarely spent where it's supposed to be. vehicle registration and fees, gasoline taxes and so many other are SUPPOSED to be used for roads, but if you add up all income and then add up the expenditures(and i have), nothing matches. the money never goes where it's supposed to.
the reaon why the Federal government is not supposed to have such powers as you call for is to protect the individual's independance. we are NOT here simply to serve whatever evil is in power.
what have these "social welfare" programs done for anyone anyway? i'm all for helping others but the fact is that Federal social programs puaperize people much more often than they uplift people. I LIVE IN THE DAMN GHETTO and i can tell you this FIRST HAND, not by what some aristocrat says in a nice sounding speech. a perfect example is the fact that most of my black friends grandparents were married their whole adult lives and owned their own homes and businesses even during Jim Crow, but since all this proactive federal anti-racism, public shool integrating, welfare paying programs, most are on some sort of public assistance, and most family property has been lost. on top of that, most children have no father in the household, welfare makes that less profitable. the people, who had some kind of independance are MORE enslaved today than 50 years ago, shocking! I'M NOT FOR RASCISM OR APARTHIED, but it's clear that the money spent by the federal government, that is supposed to uplift people is doing anything but that. people are better off helping each other, family to family and not giving 40-60% of their labor to the overlords, and that's a fact. the overlords have NEVER had the commoner's best interests at heart.
lay off the rhetoric and learn some HISTORY.
we need to tax property to support schools? well then why is education in the USA at an all-time low as far as quality of instruction and the working knowledge of the graduates goes? before property tax supported public schools in the USA Americans were the most well-educated population on earth. can you say that today? in your great-grandfather's day, people had much bigger vocabularies and knew how to do things for themselves. regular people in the USA knew how to make everything they needed, they had real skills. now, nobody can do anything without the assistance of "experts". heck, young pregnant women need an "expert" to tell them how to care for a child. how did humanity survive for 100's of thousands of years without an expert to explain to them how to live? the stupification of humanity is so complete, the idiots don't even know how ignorant they are. it's not their fault, they were "socialized" into stupidity. if this is where my tax money goes(stupifying my and my fellow human's children), NO THANKS.
property tax's MAIN purpose is to remove a person's soveriegnty and there are actual documents that state this. if not for this tax, a person could sit on their own land, plant a garden and live their life independantly if that was their wish. what's wrong with that, except that that person isn't under "control"? having on'e own little piece of ground, one's own water allows one to have just a shred of dignity, something that a lover of humanity can't hate. only a hater of human beings can speak against it.
paying for roads? don't make me laugh. they have so many taxes that are supposed to be for that, but somehow the money is rarely spent where it's supposed to be. vehicle registration and fees, gasoline taxes and so many other are SUPPOSED to be used for roads, but if you add up all income and then add up the expenditures(and i have), nothing matches. the money never goes where it's supposed to.
the reaon why the Federal government is not supposed to have such powers as you call for is to protect the individual's independance. we are NOT here simply to serve whatever evil is in power.
what have these "social welfare" programs done for anyone anyway? i'm all for helping others but the fact is that Federal social programs puaperize people much more often than they uplift people. I LIVE IN THE DAMN GHETTO and i can tell you this FIRST HAND, not by what some aristocrat says in a nice sounding speech. a perfect example is the fact that most of my black friends grandparents were married their whole adult lives and owned their own homes and businesses even during Jim Crow, but since all this proactive federal anti-racism, public shool integrating, welfare paying programs, most are on some sort of public assistance, and most family property has been lost. on top of that, most children have no father in the household, welfare makes that less profitable. the people, who had some kind of independance are MORE enslaved today than 50 years ago, shocking! I'M NOT FOR RASCISM OR APARTHIED, but it's clear that the money spent by the federal government, that is supposed to uplift people is doing anything but that. people are better off helping each other, family to family and not giving 40-60% of their labor to the overlords, and that's a fact. the overlords have NEVER had the commoner's best interests at heart.
lay off the rhetoric and learn some HISTORY.
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What I find shocking is for a person so full of hating religious groups, repblicans, southerners, pop musicians, Creamware employees, forum members, etc.
Why are you so interested in helping people anyway...?
Why are you so interested in helping people anyway...?
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I'm against property tax.
What I find abhorrent is someone who hates people so much they want to have 46 million people uninsured. They are working on National Health Insurance now and it's about time. I am so glad.
What I find abhorrent is someone who hates people so much they want to have 46 million people uninsured. They are working on National Health Insurance now and it's about time. I am so glad.
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braincell wrote:I'm against property tax.
What I find abhorrent is someone who hates people so much they want to have 46 million people uninsured. They are working on National Health Insurance now and it's about time. I am so glad.
insurance is a con job.
what we need is afforable health care. "national" health insurance would be nice if the people who set up the system actually cared about the common people. since when has the federal government cared about people? this system will help people's health like "welfare" helps their poverty. those with a guilty conscience will allow the same old garbage to continue, confident that "something has finally been done". ultimately, the "war on poverty" is always a war on the poor. when the war is over, the poor with what eugenicists call their "poverty genes" will be dead, and then we can all be happy that poverty has been wiped from the earth...
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I agree with you. All they care about is making money. That is why capitalism isn't the best way for this. I think we can't totally fix it yet because too many people are afraid of socialism but anything has to be better than the way it currently is. Some people are pointing out there will be rationing. So be it. I would rather have rationing than no health care insurance for millions. According to Obama "If health care insurance is affordable everyone will buy it." I think he is too intelligent to believe that. That is a lie. Some have no money and some are too stupid or selfish. The young and healthy won't pay in. It has got to be mandatory.
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then it won't be good. things based on lies rarely are. it's never right to make people slaves.
i also disagree that ANYTHING would be better than what we have. there are many worse solutions and this thing we're discussing is one of them.
i also disagree that ANYTHING would be better than what we have. there are many worse solutions and this thing we're discussing is one of them.
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rationing food, or means of supply of food will only make people sicker, which will play right into the hands of the greed-lords of the insurance/AMA/FDA scamsters.braincell wrote:I agree with you. All they care about is making money. That is why capitalism isn't the best way for this. I think we can't totally fix it yet because too many people are afraid of socialism but anything has to be better than the way it currently is. Some people are pointing out there will be rationing. So be it. I would rather have rationing than no health care insurance for millions. According to Obama "If health care insurance is affordable everyone will buy it." I think he is too intelligent to believe that. That is a lie. Some have no money and some are too stupid or selfish. The young and healthy won't pay in. It has got to be mandatory.
Try reading up on the Hegelian Dialectic to see what is driving the push/pull for healthcare and other things going on with the economy.
Greg
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Many good points BC & GB....
I have an idea though.
Let's have access to Congressional members stock portfolios........
Hey they want to pry into my life right........?
Lets see who has insider trading information on Green stock. Hospital service corporations, Pharmecuitcal, big oil.
Who wants to bet it will reflect on their voting record........
A truth commission to see if the CIA lied that will cost taxpayers millions, but lawyers will feast on that carcus like a swarm of maggots.
Did the CIA lie........................duh.....
They are in the business of deception and misinformation..................of course they lie.
Watching that commitee on CSPAN would be hilarious.
I'd rather hear Colonel Sanders explain how he plans to extend the lives of millions of chickens, that would make more sense that the ridiculopus bull shit shows we finance.
The cost of health care is a major issue, and so is leaving small business alone so they can grow and hire people............these issues are not rocket science. Stop taking lobbyist money and start passing laws that benfit the citizens..................pretty simple.
I have an idea though.
Let's have access to Congressional members stock portfolios........
Hey they want to pry into my life right........?
Lets see who has insider trading information on Green stock. Hospital service corporations, Pharmecuitcal, big oil.
Who wants to bet it will reflect on their voting record........
A truth commission to see if the CIA lied that will cost taxpayers millions, but lawyers will feast on that carcus like a swarm of maggots.
Did the CIA lie........................duh.....
They are in the business of deception and misinformation..................of course they lie.
Watching that commitee on CSPAN would be hilarious.
I'd rather hear Colonel Sanders explain how he plans to extend the lives of millions of chickens, that would make more sense that the ridiculopus bull shit shows we finance.
The cost of health care is a major issue, and so is leaving small business alone so they can grow and hire people............these issues are not rocket science. Stop taking lobbyist money and start passing laws that benfit the citizens..................pretty simple.