I really love Reaper 3.x

[siriusbliss]

That could possibly nullify my NDA agreements with MGM Universal and 20th Century Fox.

If this was meant to be funny...it is...
I've scored family videos before without risking pissing off Disney, or whoever...

hehe

Greg

[dawman]

I am sad that Weeper cannot do this.

[netguyjoel]

oh please...bc kills yet another thread

[valis]

Cuebase (is that like freebase?) killed the thread, the Reaper brought it back!

One thing I can say about Reaper, from my older dual Xeon to my current 8-core setup, there isn't another app that I have access to that can hit the same level of utilization of all the cores without having problems. Logic isn't really a 1:1 comparison but I can tell from the overall load & feel of things that it's a bit smoother than Coobase and still clunkier by far compared to Reaper. Of course the latency compensation issues there might be partially at fault, each update to Logic or Cubase that has brought improvements in this regard seems to also bring more overhead.

[dawman]

Yes it has a ways to go before becoming full featured.
But what I like is the way they never add unnecessary crap and the very first release was made to work with Conroe based Core2Duo's.
Having to go back and redo core optimizations with an already overbloated app must be expensive to redo over time, but YamaBerg knows how to charge for uogrades w/ SpuBase & Cubendo.......

I really wish I could downgrade Cubase 4.1 to SX3, or just have a version with less Molasses, but to pay these guys more money just rubs me thew wrong way.
Just like their Ivory Tower attitude they display as " customer service."
I'll multitrack and watch until Weeper gains ground. They will be asking for money on the next upgrade, but every little detail they add or fix is precision work, and 960 ppq has the potential to really be great for MIDI work. I just got my sequencer and recording stuff back after removing the Scope 4.0/4.5 card and when tweaking the considerate performance options in Reaper I stumbled onto the unmentioned resolution.
I can really record some large streams and smooth them out with low percentage quantinzation levels. I can't do that in Cubase, but Cubase has a great drawing method which I hope Weeper adds down the road.
For now the new optimazations will keep me busy for a while.

[braincell]

Who decides what is unnecessary?

[garyb]

what a philosophical question...

kinda like who decides WHO is unecessary...

[pollux]

The main strenght and the main problem of Reaper is Justin.
The guy is very talented, but also very messy, and totally unpredictable.

I've seen some parts of the code from the SDK, and it's the kinda stuff that if someone from my team produces it, I'll politely ask him with my foot in his ass to re-code it in a way a human being can understand at least some of it, despite the fact that it would work perfectly.
The other thing is that Justin will gladly and quickly implement a FR or do a bugfix if he's interested in it, or simply ignore it and leave it open forever if he feels like not doing it. (decent controller surface support is one of these things. for example, it doesn't support controlling plugins, sends/receives and things like that)

The UI is also user-unfriendly. It's quick and easy to do simple things, but can be cumbersome for more complex stuff, with endless nested menus (Ok.. I'm a bit biased here, since I've never seen a DAW with a UI as simple as Tracktion.. too bad Mackie totally screwed it )

Besides, given his background (think winamp / nullsoft), I wouldn't be amazed if one day he wakes up with the left foot, and simply decides to drop Reaper and go doing something else.
A tool relying on a single person is way too much of a risk to be taken seriously in the industry (no matter the tool nor the industry)

[the19thbear]

hey... i said my one gripe with reaper was that it didnt have pdc... it does!!?
Maybe the new scope 5.0 dont report latency properly?? any other experienced this??

I have problems when i have alot of tracks going... and if i for instance apply the grapheq, sometimes it messes everything up!

[pollux]

hey... i said my one gripe with reaper was that it didnt have pdc... it does!!?
Maybe the new scope 5.0 dont report latency properly?? any other experienced this??

I have problems when i have alot of tracks going... and if i for instance apply the grapheq, sometimes it messes everything up!

Given that XTC is not officially supported for 5.0, and that making XTC work with 5.0 is kinda "hack" (:D) I wouldn't be amazed if it's not reporting latency correctly.

[dawman]

Brotha' Man Pollux,

I was watching your posts over at the forum and actually since I am Moron with this stuff, I never posted, but lurked and stalked users. Why post if you don't know what your talking about..
Your information ia appreciated and actually confirms 2 things for me.
I am too entrenched in the ways of old, but I know MIDI sequencing tricks like few others from decades of self discovery on Yamaha/Roland hardware sequencers.
I want the best audio possible and these apps while having great tricks and good audio still do not shine as well as VDAT to my ears. But that's coming from only having said magic played back in a Scope Project. Once you convert to Redbook CD, or mp3 that magic is lost.
But I only want this quality inside of my projects for live SFX, backing vocals, etc.
I am beginning to think that I am too stupid to learn the best tricks these apps offer, and too stubborn to learn. Becuase I can take a hardware sequencer and do all of the automations and drum tracks I need with lighning speed, as I have used them for 26 years.
I will continue trying to learn and use some of these apps, but the minute I run into any trouble I usually bail as I have zero patience for tweaking around trying to figure out why and how. I am too use to hardware doing exactly as it was suppose to do with zero conflicts.

Hopefully Reaper can replace my hardware for the basic MIDI needs I require. 960 ppq is the resolution that works best for me, I hope they don't screw the app up as so many seem to do when purchased by profiteering corporations and companies.

Your opinion is most appreciated.

[siriusbliss]

The main strenght and the main problem of Reaper is Justin.
The guy is very talented, but also very messy, and totally unpredictable.

I've seen some parts of the code from the SDK, and it's the kinda stuff that if someone from my team produces it, I'll politely ask him with my foot in his ass to re-code it in a way a human being can understand at least some of it, despite the fact that it would work perfectly.
The other thing is that Justin will gladly and quickly implement a FR or do a bugfix if he's interested in it, or simply ignore it and leave it open forever if he feels like not doing it. (decent controller surface support is one of these things. for example, it doesn't support controlling plugins, sends/receives and things like that)

The UI is also user-unfriendly. It's quick and easy to do simple things, but can be cumbersome for more complex stuff, with endless nested menus (Ok.. I'm a bit biased here, since I've never seen a DAW with a UI as simple as Tracktion.. too bad Mackie totally screwed it )

Besides, given his background (think winamp / nullsoft), I wouldn't be amazed if one day he wakes up with the left foot, and simply decides to drop Reaper and go doing something else.
A tool relying on a single person is way too much of a risk to be taken seriously in the industry (no matter the tool nor the industry)

This is stated WAY better than my feeble attempt earlier.

I predict Reaper will live up to it's name (from a company called Cock-os ), and continue to suck people in until it simply implodes or warps into everyone's wannabe DAW with a bunch of hodge-podged features.

Again, am I dissin' the Reaper? No. I think it's appearance on the market has been good for MAINLY keeping the rest of the industry humble. Do I LIKE Reaper? No, I think it's overrated, and yes messy (can't stand the boxy GUI), and I even find the audio engine to be a little 'thin' - but that's for another redundant rant.

What's really funny is that there are about 3 other DAWs out there in the same price range, that are much more mature, and with more practical features that are barely recognized (at least in western market), such as Magix Samplitude Music Studio.

I even like Cantabile and Orion, since they are dirt-basic and functional for good-ol tracking.

Anyways, it's a crazy industry that even MORE companies are trying to get into - for gosh knows why...(it simply CAN'T be greed driven).

By the way - Samplitude Pro - very good multi-core distribution. Even Ableton Live is getting better at core distribution (perhaps at the risk to their memory management).

Greg

[dawman]

I will begin picking your brain once I get VDAT stable enough to use live.
I like simple, direct apps w/o the coffee making features.
What's important to many is of little interest to a simple man such as myself.
Hell I am even so use to using M Audio as a transport and controller I don't need another hardware surface............so I am quite easy to please and simple.
Good Sound, Good MIDI,..............that's all I ever wanted, but seems so difficult anymore.

[siriusbliss]

I will begin picking your brain once I get VDAT stable enough to use live.
I like simple, direct apps w/o the coffee making features.
What's important to many is of little interest to a simple man such as myself.
Hell I am even so use to using M Audio as a transport and controller I don't need another hardware surface............so I am quite easy to please and simple.
Good Sound, Good MIDI,..............that's all I ever wanted, but seems so difficult anymore.

They don't call it MMMMMMaudio for nuthin'

Greg

[pollux]

Brotha' Man Pollux,

I was watching your posts over at the forum and actually since I am Moron with this stuff, I never posted, but lurked and stalked users. Why post if you don't know what your talking about..
Your information ia appreciated and actually confirms 2 things for me.
I am too entrenched in the ways of old, but I know MIDI sequencing tricks like few others from decades of self discovery on Yamaha/Roland hardware sequencers.
I want the best audio possible and these apps while having great tricks and good audio still do not shine as well as VDAT to my ears. But that's coming from only having said magic played back in a Scope Project. Once you convert to Redbook CD, or mp3 that magic is lost.
But I only want this quality inside of my projects for live SFX, backing vocals, etc.
I am beginning to think that I am too stupid to learn the best tricks these apps offer, and too stubborn to learn. Becuase I can take a hardware sequencer and do all of the automations and drum tracks I need with lighning speed, as I have used them for 26 years.
I will continue trying to learn and use some of these apps, but the minute I run into any trouble I usually bail as I have zero patience for tweaking around trying to figure out why and how. I am too use to hardware doing exactly as it was suppose to do with zero conflicts.

Hopefully Reaper can replace my hardware for the basic MIDI needs I require. 960 ppq is the resolution that works best for me, I hope they don't screw the app up as so many seem to do when purchased by profiteering corporations and companies.

Your opinion is most appreciated.

There's no universal tool... The one that works best for you will always be the right one. If you work faster and better with a hardware sequencer + VDAT, why even bother to clutter with any DAW's spaghetties to get at best the same thing at the end of the day? I see no shame on using "vintage" tools.. after all aren't we guitarists usually proud of having 30+ year-old gear

IMHO DAWs are mostly targetted to the studio user / composer (depending on the DAW more towards one or the other), and have too much clutter to be useful in live environments. Not even with a control surface they arrive any close to the ease of use of my "old" soundcraft live mixer.. I guess you feel the same about your gear...

I never used it, but I heard great stuff about Ableton Live, even though AFAIK it's best suited for non-linear music (yet you could easily jump from a section to another with a midi pedalboard.. for example from "backing vocals #1" to "backing vocals #4").. Maybe some of the Live users could confirm (or not) this

I'm hijacking the thread a bit here.. sorry for that

[netguyjoel]

If you didn't need 960 ppq Jimmy, I'd tell you to try Master Tracks Pro at http://www.gvox.com

Very small program...(only 240 ppq) but, not bloated for sequencing...no audio though...and supports a TON of MIDI channels.. I've used it for 20 years back on an ATARI ST...and rock solid!

[braincell]

I hear Ninjam by the same person as Reaper works well. Has anyone tried to use Reaper with the Ninjam plugin? That is the one reason I would use Reaper.

Greg,

What is up with VDAT? It doesn't work for me.

netguyjoel,

Is this the same Mastertracks Pro I used on the Atari?

[siriusbliss]

I hear Ninjam by the same person as Reaper works well. Has anyone tried to use Reaper with the Ninjam plugin? That is the one reason I would use Reaper.

Greg,

What is up with VDAT? It doesn't work for me.

Ninjam works OK here in initial tests. (I may be setting up a jam with some of the stillstream folks sometime soon).

VDAT is not working in Scope 5 yet (as already posted elsewhere).

Greg

[braincell]

It works with up to 4 people? I would like to add a couple of notes or a sound to that. I have a very steady DSL.

[dawman]

If you didn't need 960 ppq Jimmy, I'd tell you to try Master Tracks Pro at http://www.gvox.com

Very small program...(only 240 ppq) but, not bloated for sequencing...no audio though...and supports a TON of MIDI channels.. I've used it for 20 years back on an ATARI ST...and rock solid!

That looks really good for replacing this hardware. After 25 years I have only ever replaced the power chord, and yes it makes me nervous, but I haven't used it live for over a year, but this thing is going to die anyday.........if it doesn't, I should put it in a museum.
It was the worlds first multi track hardware sequencer.
Son of a Bitch cost me 2400 USD but I paid with a huge stack of Japanese Yen....
I felt like I was paying 50 large for it because the stack of cash was about 6 inches thick.

Thanks I am going to check that out, as I also could use a good notation program too.