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Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:36 pm
by Nestor
Hello Alfonso

Well… I don’t really realize the way things work technically behind Mojo, but it would be great to understand some of it at least. So here a few questions:

First, why is it called Mojo and where the name comes from?

Second, is Mojo feasible or reproducible in the VST world? I mean, could you actually make the exact same amp and make it sound “exactly” as it sounds through Pulsar for the VST world?

Third, when are you going to start playing bass? :lol:

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:10 pm
by alfonso
Nestor wrote:Hello Alfonso

Well… I don’t really realize the way things work technically behind Mojo, but it would be great to understand some of it at least. So here a few questions:

First, why is it called Mojo and where the name comes from?

Second, is Mojo feasible or reproducible in the VST world? I mean, could you actually make the exact same amp and make it sound “exactly” as it sounds through Pulsar for the VST world?

Third, when are going to start playing bass? :lol:
From Wikipedia:
"The word Mojo refers to a magical charm bag used in hoodoo,"

There is a famous blues song too "Got my mojo workin'" sung by Muddy Waters.

Mojo could be intended as generally "Magic" and it has been used to describe that special vibe of a music, the special tone of a guitar or amp...the "Magic" of a performance....anyway it has become strictly related with the blues and the "supernatural" and healing qualities of the music.

For the second question I can't answer. I've recently become a member of Adern and I'm more specialized in device architecture and my tool is SDK. Others have competence for the native part of development.

Third: If we sell many Mojos I might get some cash to get a bass...I always wanted one! ;)

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:39 pm
by valis
Btw congrats on the success of your device Alfonso :)

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:29 am
by Nestor
Now that I know the meaning of the name, I like it even more. Mojo is “magical”, it’s true! :D

In Spanish language, “mojo” comes from the verb “mojar”, and “mojar” means to wet something or somebody.

I’m pretty sure you WILL sell a lot of Mojo Alfonso, so you’ll get a bass for sure.

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:16 am
by astroman
it's very funny that you never heard about 'mojo' related to vintage basses, Nestor.
for example Jaco's recently re-appeared Bass-of-Doom should have plenty of :D
it's frequently used to explain 'that special extra' of (preferably) old Fender instruments that have such a great tone though almost cruedly built...

cheers, Tom

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:27 am
by Shroomz~>
It's also a word that gets used by heaps of recording engineers & music gear junkies with regards to not only tone, but also the defining characteristics of all sorts of studio gear like compressors, mics, mic pres & consoles. You name it. People seem to use it very loosely ('it has mojo' 'it doesn't have mojo' etc) to basically say whether something has nice character or not.

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:58 pm
by grappa
Guys,

I am going to echo these comments and some.

Like many I've been down the VST plug route and as a Scoper immediately purchased the Dynatube bundle on release but have always gone back to my mic'd guitar rig even though pretty inconvenient - everything I've tried in the past has left me wanting - anyone whose spent time with living, breathing amps knows where I'm at.

I sort of prepared myself to be disappointed with Mojo when I dl'd the demo - I have been more than pleasently surpised.

I'm not packing the rig up yet but I can see it's going to start gathering some dust.

Oh and by the way the rig consists of both a Cornford 50 and Carrera so Mojo's in pretty good company.

Simon

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:30 am
by Nestor
I sure heard about the “Mojo” word, but there are many meanings to it and memory is loose :roll:

Grappa, you have just helped me out of beliving I was the only crazy man around believing that Mojo actually sounds like the Cornford 50 kind of amps, and if you have one yourself, this really is telling the truth

I would love to hear some demos here if you like, to see how it sounds with your guitar :wink:

Cheers

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:57 pm
by Nestor
Alfonso, would you please add to here how you build it a Little? For instance, which are the amps and the guitars you used at home? A picture of them all would be great as well as their specification.

I would love to know which are the basic parameters you used to get this thick sound up and running.

When you talked about the amps at home, do you mean you compared the sound that you could get from an amp, and then you tried to approach it to Mojo?

How did you search this particular timber? I think it is interesting to get there, if you have the patience and time to share this with us… Cheers.

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:01 pm
by alfonso
Nestor wrote:Alfonso, would you please add to here how you build it a Little? For instance, which are the amps and the guitars you used at home? A picture of them all would be great as well as their specification.

I would love to know which are the basic parameters you used to get this thick sound up and running.

When you talked about the amps at home, do you mean you compared the sound that you could get from an amp, and then you tried to approach it to Mojo?

How did you search this particular timber? I think it is interesting to get there, if you have the patience and time to share this with us… Cheers.
Dear Nestor,

I'm very pleased of your interest on the subject.


The way i built Mojo comes basically from the study of what happens to the guitar sound through all the path of in tube amps.....which are not all equal in design, fortunately I didn't have to reproduce the design but the sound. Anyway, from Mojo's layout it is clear that there are 2 basic saturation blocks, one that resembles an amp with very high headroom where the sound is progressively enriched but it's not too easy to distort, and another one which at the opposite can go pretty brutal and that features six basic selectable circuit topologies that go from the most bluesy to the heavily scooped and some variations in between that i found interesting to my own taste....tweaking and listening, unrelated to any real amp but related to all the memory of music stored in my mind.

I wanted to achieve the most in terms of flexibility....I thought that it would have been really nice to have a single device loaded in Scope that could take care of all my needs. That was the reason of starting with a double channel. But I also realized that making those two channels mixable brought an infinite array of possible sounds. Hence the Mix control.

I was facing also the noise issue. Ok...I thought, I need to put a guitar optimized Noise Gate in here! that was done...but...why don't try to do something to reduce the noise before it happens? One of my favorite pedals came to my mind, my truly loved Keeley's Java Boost. It is basically a germanium booster which has the ability to enrich the sound of the guitar very much, with a switch where you can select from the typical Rangemaster treble boost thing to a more medium effect or a full range one, keeping the sound very clean and noiseless. The beauty of this pedal is that if you are plugged in a tube amp that is just at the very beginning of the crunch, thus still very little noise is heard. and you engage it, you get a stunningly rich and creamy saturation, a noticeable increase in level, but the overall noise is quite less than the one you would have if reaching that saturation and level cranking your amp much more.
This gave me the idea to be able use the output of of the first channel, already enriched and at an healthy level but still with a low amount of noise to feed the second channel. This way you can reach some good levels of saturation keeping the second channel's drive control much lower, thus minimizing the noise as much as possible. Practically transforming the first channel in a sort of (almost)clean boost to drive more efficiently the second one.
Obviously whe you really want to go brutal with a normally noisy guitar
the noise gate becomes necessary most of the times, like in real life high gain amps.

There is also an interesting implementation of the bright switch. I tried to make it inversely dynamic, like a typical vintage bright channel which uses a capacitor as treble bleed across the input gain that increases the treble amount at lower levels. A nice effect of this circuit is that when you clean your sound decreasing the volume on the guitar it helps keeping out some muddiness that might normally occur.

The "british" switches that you can see for each channel are not related to that part of the Marshall circuit that is thought to push into saturation the power tubes earlier than in a typical Fender amp, as this type of saturation is available by tweaking the drive knobs and the color knob and we are not operating tubes here after all, but it is related to the way the tone controls are conceived and shaped, which is what brings an immediate difference in the real world amps. I studied the typical curves of many amps (by charts, I don't have that many amps), detected the main differences between American and British models but i shaped the two curves to my taste.


Now my amps....they have not been my models, but they inspired me somehow....

I have three of them.

The one that really dominates the bunch is also the smallest one. It's an handwired point to point Ceriatone 5e3. Practically the clone of a '57 Tweed Deluxe, except for a standby switch that replaces the ancient phase switch. It is a full class A with 2 JJ 12AX7 (it should have a 12AY7 in V1 but I like it more like this, at least more than the EH 12AY7 that i didn't like at all) and 2 6V6 and obviously a tube rectifier, a 5Y3GT. The speaker is a Jensen P12N, alnico, .
This is the core:
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It is mounted in a black steel chassis with high quality custom transformers, a tweed resonant pine cabinet. This baby has an incredible tone.

Then I have a very practical Marshall JCM2000 TSL 100 amp, not at the level of a vintage one but much better than a lot stuff i've heard from the same company. It is quite stock, I'm not using it too much so I'm waiting to upgrade the tubes and maybe a better OT. It sings and screams through a boutique Dragoon Cabinet with two Celestion V30

Here it is (not mine):
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Then I have a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe. I was almost selling it when I decided to mod it. With Jean Jacques Ferry, a friend of mine who is a magician of the soldering iron and knows the world of the tube electronics better than anyone else i know, we changed completely its sound. First of all the crappy stock speaker has been changed with a V30 (I had tried it from my cabinet and I liked the combination. Then we changed a lot of stuff, some to blackface specs, with added controls in the lower part of the chassis and now it really acquired that authority and sparkle that was totally missing.

:)

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:27 am
by grappa
One of things that I am interested in Alfonso is clean 'shimmer' ?

When I run my real stuff clean (and at volume) there's a sweet spot where the sound has a wonderful subtle 'chorused' thing going on - although no chorus is present - is it my ears of have I noticed a similar effect in Mojo?

Perhaps I am going mad :)

Si

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:29 pm
by alfonso
grappa wrote:One of things that I am interested in Alfonso is clean 'shimmer' ?

When I run my real stuff clean (and at volume) there's a sweet spot where the sound has a wonderful subtle 'chorused' thing going on - although no chorus is present - is it my ears of have I noticed a similar effect in Mojo?

Perhaps I am going mad :)

Si
I should listen to the that sound...but i think that it is something related with the guitar itself, pick ups? tremolo hardware? rssonances? I can't say but one thing is sure, Mojo respects the tone of your guitar and such features are kept alive.

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:16 am
by Gordon Gekko
alfonso wrote:
grappa wrote:One of things that I am interested in Alfonso is clean 'shimmer' ?

When I run my real stuff clean (and at volume) there's a sweet spot where the sound has a wonderful subtle 'chorused' thing going on - although no chorus is present - is it my ears of have I noticed a similar effect in Mojo?

Perhaps I am going mad :)

Si
I should listen to the that sound...but i think that it is something related with the guitar itself, pick ups? tremolo hardware? rssonances? I can't say but one thing is sure, Mojo respects the tone of your guitar and such features are kept alive.
This is so tempting!!
respect for your work saint-alfonso

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:31 am
by Nestor
Wow Alfonso, thank you! That was real interesting... Guitar fanatics will love these introspection on the building of Mojo :wink:

Look, I’m playing a lot more now than I did in years... I’m building yet another little song as an excuse to keep playing it... I’ll post it here too. It is true that it is like bread, as I said, because the more you go, the more you like it! Again: congrats! :D

Thank you for taking the time to tell us about the building process Alfonso

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:54 am
by Nestor
Mojo is definitely getting me mad! :P I’ve got so excited about it last night... I started with a loop for fun, and went up to 5 in the early morning building something to improvise upon: :wink:

http://www.musicaliz.com/Mojo/Walking-through-fire.mp3

Why nobody did it before?

Cheers :) :) :)

Some advert here for you Alfonso. Adern, you know now who you must hire! :lol:

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Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:22 pm
by garyb
nice Nestor!

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:39 pm
by astroman
Mojo definetely got you going, thumbs up :D

cheers, Tom

ps: thinking about it, it's pretty strange to get that sound from just a simple guitar - the amp sounds so stunningly real. Even the 'clean' channel is adding nicely the 'color' from a miced cab.
Sorry for being greedy, but... could someone please add a virtual spring ?

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:47 pm
by dawman
These examples are crucial for further developments to continue.
Thanks for everyone who contibuted with snippets.
No matter how silly I think my shit sounds I post snippets as a token of apprecitaion.

If I could ever could make a great device, nothing will make me happier than seeing it is being used.
Much better then the money for time spent.

Exellente Trabajo Cabrones............. :D

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:00 pm
by alfonso
Thank you Nestor! that's an excellent fusion sound example...it makes a great demo for the product!

:)

Re: Full review of Adern Mojo

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:49 pm
by Nestor
Thank you guys, I'm glad you liked it :)

If it’s useful for you, feel free to use it Alfonso. If I had more time... uffff, I would do many more... but life is exigent today more than yesterday... :roll: