GPP-3 and Piano-Teq3

[kensuguro]

I have a theory that the more cheap synth action keys they sell, the more organ players we're gonna get. Those suck for anything else but organs and synth lines. but then again, that's "if" you even play the keys at all.

[garyb]

stuff for musicians is rarely used by such, and the companies realize that. real intruments have never been cheap, although some cheap instruments have been put to great use by musicians....

[David]

You are certainly right. I've found it very hard to find a digital piano with a suitably graded velocity. It was funny because I found they house these digital pianos in a corner of the demo rooms surrounded by the real mcoy, obviously the temptation to perform a comparison was too great and the noticable difference in quality was immediately shameful. Even so the sales guy swore blind the hammer action and damper mechanism were exactly the same and even tried to say the pressure senitivity chip was far superior, trying to prove his point by bringing out a little model of the action. To me the price alone pointed out the obvious difference even before I struck the keys but the sound was also so telling, I just switched off to the sales guy as his sales pitch became annoying.
It is only the resrtictions upon my environment which pushes for a digital representation and here I find a minefield of disinformation, unhelpful claims and promises. Also to get an acurate review seems to be equaly hard as I guess once the player has shelled out a wad there is no inclination to disrespect that purchase, only to find its strengths. After reading the discussions here, Piano-teq fitted the bill with its small size and overheads but then finding a suitable competent piano like controller which can fit the space I have to use it in is another matter.
It would of course be great to find an excellent digital piano with all the functions of a superior midi controller but it becomes apparent in that market the companies seem to think their users are ignorant. (I got asked why would I want 88 keys) Maybe the market for this type of instrument isn't so big or the instrument is so hard to successfully develop at present, that we see a lot of poor immitations.

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[David]

cheap instruments have been put to great use by musicians....

indubitably, and what fine examples there have been, oh yes

[braincell]

Xite,

If you have East West Bosendorfer 290, you ought to consider the upgrade to Quantum Leap Pianos. It makes a big difference. As for the size of it, you don't have to install all 4 pianos. I probably will only use the Bosendorfers but I just wanted all of them available since I paid for them. The Bosendorfer is good for my main style.

[dawman]

I already have it. I bought it when I thought I was going to 64bit, but then changed my mind.
I installed it on my friends iLok / Intel Mac. We use it whenever we mess around together and it does sound really good but I have to stay in 32bit on my live DAW, and must have the pedals w/ sostenuto, una corde and harmonic capabilities.
I will take the iLok back when or if I go 64bit w/ my future build.
They are great sounding Pianos, I just wish they had more than the soft pedal for their emulations.
One nice benefit of their soft ( una corde ) pedal is that I can get 3 nice tones from it, and another 5 velocity levels when disengaged. So with a total of 8 Velocity levels it is plenty for recording or live work. But sadly the lack of a sostenuto pedal means I have to record 2 tracks of MIDI and change the CC of the sustain in the main track so I can merge both in a sequencer app., which IMO is too much extra work, and not even possible live.
But I agree it's sound is better than the 290 pre QLP.

[braincell]

It is both 32 bit and 64 bit. I will try using the soft pedal more. I mainly use the sustain.

[dawman]

Here's another cheap workaround.
I have 10 pedals I need to use, and I also have to satnd up and play.
You can't see the booty shakin' if you sitting down.
I now have a stack for the Piano Teq 3.0.
I love their pedals so I figured out a way to use the sostenuto and sustain with one foot.
I can't even do this on a real Piano.
Sostenuto is atop of the sustain pedal and it works like a charm.
I live w/ a Carpenter, so he's gonna get free rent for a week to make me a wooden rack w/ slots for all of this shit.
This would also work w/ QLP's una corde and sustain.

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[David]

I like the additions to your controllers.

I suppose the dirty look comes from playing them in bare feet

I can see these additions could also be included on these controllers, which you've directed me to

http://www.studiologic.net/footpedals.html#vfp3

and for a multi array of pedals with plenty of room for the switches

http://www.studiologic.net/mp-117.html

but for smaller needs there is the M-audio Black Box

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/M ... Board.html

and then nestle a sustain pedal between the buttons

but then i think that will not be so cost effective