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voting only helps if you have someone to vote for.

our power doesn't come from the president. his power comes from us. the president is NOT the power, though he can be an abuser and usurper of power. the president is merely an administrator, he is NOT a king.

choosing evil is not a choice.

usurpers of power cannot be trusted with power, nor can they be made to deliver. all of the current choices have publicly vowed to end the American system(a primary goal of the CFR). how can they be given use of my power? that would be irresponsible.

Well, Garyb give a cynical view of "democracy", without bells and whistles.

It's a "comedia dell arte" whose apex take place every 4years (or 5 in my country) with elections, where we can see sheeps goinf to the slaughterhouse.

It make a long time that democracy have been perverted.

De Tocqueville said "evil is in the uneducated". This guy was short minded! Evil is human's reptilian brain!

the current clowns are unnacceptable. i'm not willing to support them just to avoid being a buzzkill.

just rolling over and accepting my fate is what they are trying to convince me of, by offering such goobers to vote for. just because the government is full of obvious corruption is no reason to ignore them. in fact, it's a reason to complain loudly. that's what free men do when the game is rigged, they say "shenanigans" and then get out the brooms and the sticks.

slaves, however, need to shut up and choose which horrible evil is less and then be happy, or just shut up and take what is given.

You can use your civil rights if your country have a law abiding to the constitution (not the case in France for example!) and any other means if it is not the case.

Do you really think that democracy would have emerged if our ancestors had that kind of behaviour?
I am not sure they would have given their life for that comedy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6ug1HDOLQ&fmt=18

garyb wrote:they're both criminals and members of the Council on Foriegn Relations, part of Chatham house and agents of Cecil Rhode's group which has as a sole purpose, British Royal soveriegnty over the whole world. as the group's founders the Rockefellors state(in David's autobiography), the purpose is the dissolution of the United States of America and the establishment of world corporate government.

politicians always say nice things.

ask Obama what he intends to do with the "Civilian National Security force" as well trained and funded as the US military that he called for on July 3rd......

Huh? British royal sovereignty? those inbred upperclass twits couldn't organize a tea party let alone a massive worldwide conspiracy.

I agree that americans getting to choose between 2 previously selected corporate lackeys, is not really democracy.
its more like
you get to choose. horse S**t or bull S**t, but you still have to eat s**t. there is no "no s**t please i would prefer pie" option.

Frank Is My Hero. If anyone ever fought the system and lived to tell it was him.

Anyone remember the soft spoken little man from Venezuala who lied to the people about sharing the countries oil revenues amongst the people? He is a prime example of what a usurper of power is. He will not allow anyone else other than him to win an election, and all of the shared wealth goes right into his pocket. Just recently the shared wealth is now an investment in the largest military procurement in the continents history. He was in Russia last week making a deal to purchase submarines, Foxbat interceptors, and missile technology.

The big scare game shall continue, as Columbia, Brasil and Mexico are surely striking a deal w/ American defense contractors to counter the threat. The end result, is the industrial military complex which is the power to be, shall profit dearly from this " public move ". The media is not allowed to sit in during these discussions behind close doors, but are priveledged enough to have press statements released on these matters. It's a sick game they are playing in a new century that was meant to bring peace and prosperity to the world. Sadly the powers to be cannot surivive w/o war, and our defense contractors are granted huge amounts of tax payer dollars to continue the viscous cycle.

On a sad note, my Grandfather passed away and left me and my brothers a nice stock portfolio to divide and share, if we agreed to not sell it until one of our children has completed college. He was a war veteran from the first World War who passed away in the '60's. But the stocks he purchased still continue to make profits quarterly..................These companies come as no surprise, McDonnel Douglas, Raytheon, Martin Maritta, Saab.........Oh BTW they don't make those cute cars as much. The best artillery pieces ever made in the history of the world are being mass produced in Sweden right now. It's called the Archer, it can fire seven rounds up in the air at different trajectories and have them land on the same target simulataneously then move to a new location before the shells explode. Yes even the peaceful nation of Sweden is involved in this horrific game.

Make no mistake, the powers to be are these people, and they profit off of Iraq, Afghanistan, and the trip Chavez made to Russia. By expanding the war into Iran, you will notice if you take a global view of the chess pieces in place, the private corporations that provide the security to the flow of oil in Iraq will expand their power to the entire Gulf region. This was discussed and decided 17 years ago by Cheney and the Suadi Royal family. Now the government of Dubai and the Royal family have their wishes finalized. The powers to be will have the Persian Gulf oil reserves and provide the security and sales of oil to India and China for the " chosen families " of the Middle East. Having the Israeli and American Military spread about that part of the world is not a show of force, but rather a use of it. As these little bands of Renegades are called Al Queda and occasionally pop up and hit civilian and soft military targets, they justify the military presence and each small incident that occurs recieves such a huge amount of press time. No time is given to show or tell about the " Private Corporations " that continue the flow of oil to offshore tankers headed for strategically located and militarily protected sites such as Yucca Mountain here in Neveda. Of course, it's perfect. Area 51, the Mercury Nevada test site, Nellis and Fallon NAS. The federal government owns 90% of the land in Nevada, and recently the Government of Dubai dropped 10 Billion dollars into local projects here in Las Vegas. Agreements like these are no secret, and are public record. You would be amazed at the investments in Las Vegas. And guess where one can watch F22 Raptors and Ospreys fly by daily in huge caravans towards Nellis Air Base..................Las Vegas. Funny thing,.....the Ospreys are the exclusive vehicle of the Marine Corps, and there isn't a Marine base for hundreds of miles in any direction. The closest being the mountain training base at Sonora by Yosemite National Park to the North. Hold your hats kiddies, we are in for one hell of a ride next year.

Maybe the Popul Vu of the Mayans wasn;t so far off in it's predictions of the year 2012 afterall.

One only needs to follow the stock market and find out where we are headed again.

dont worry about the media, most of their parent companies are the very same ones who make profit from war. you wont hear a peep out of them unless they are told.

garyb wrote:they're both criminals and members of the Council on Foriegn Relations, part of Chatham house and agents of Cecil Rhode's group which has as a sole purpose, British Royal soveriegnty over the whole world. as the group's founders the Rockefellors state(in David's autobiography), the purpose is the dissolution of the United States of America and the establishment of world corporate government.

politicians always say nice things.

ask Obama what he intends to do with the "Civilian National Security force" as well trained and funded as the US military that he called for on July 3rd......

Yeah, here come the Stazi's.
Fukcing criminal military population control idiots hiring two puppets like these guys and people don't see it?
200,000 people see O-bomb-a speak in Berlin yesterday to hear him speak of 'hope' and 'promise', but where's the substance?

Did he vote for the housing bill (bailout) that also turns over all credit card transactions to the IRS?

God Bless America and Earth, but geez, sorry folks, these guys are NOT what America needs right now.

Greg

siriusbliss wrote:200,000 people see O-bomb-a speak in Berlin yesterday to hear him speak of 'hope' and 'promise', but where's the substance?

In your food & water !!!

Neutron wrote:

garyb wrote:they're both criminals and members of the Council on Foriegn Relations, part of Chatham house and agents of Cecil Rhode's group which has as a sole purpose, British Royal soveriegnty over the whole world. as the group's founders the Rockefellors state(in David's autobiography), the purpose is the dissolution of the United States of America and the establishment of world corporate government.

politicians always say nice things.

ask Obama what he intends to do with the "Civilian National Security force" as well trained and funded as the US military that he called for on July 3rd......

Huh? British royal sovereignty? those inbred upperclass twits couldn't organize a tea party let alone a massive worldwide conspiracy.

I agree that americans getting to choose between 2 previously selected corporate lackeys, is not really democracy.
its more like
you get to choose. horse S**t or bull S**t, but you still have to eat s**t. there is no "no s**t please i would prefer pie" option.

read the "Anglo-American Establishment" by Carroll Quigley, professor at Georgetown, Princeton and Harvard, then you'll have some history to scoff at. then you'll know why Canada is part of the "commonwealth"(the royal common wealth), and why queenie's picture is on de money. the decision was made over 100 years ago, to allow "home rule" ala rome, in order to maintain and complete the empire. ignorance is bliss, though, right?

.....and yes, i'll take my pie without any sh*t, or i will happily do without. there are real candidates, if only people were allowed to see and vote for them....

There's no doubt that the Queen of England is heavily involved Gary, but claiming it's 'all' about her & her royals is contrary to what I've read. I think the bloodlines go back further than British royalty do they not? Are you saying the Queen owns the Rocker's, Roth's & all their like minded fascist pals?

Shroomz~> wrote:There's no doubt that the Queen of England is heavily involved Gary, but claiming it's 'all' about her & her royals is contrary to what I've read. I think the bloodlines go back further than British royalty do they not? Are you saying the Queen owns the Rocker's, Roth's & all their like minded fascist pals?

'bosom buddies' in more way than one. Same bloodline.
The Queen is the land-owner (along with the Vatican amongst others), while the Roths and Rocks are the bankers and social engineers.

Greg

Well, I would never defend the actions of the Queen of england or her family, never mind their position in our society, but my point was really that it can't possibly be all about them. I doubt that she sits at the very top of the pyramid. Surely not? Ok, at the top of 'a' pyramid, but surely not 'the' worldwide pyramid. If so, it must be amongst a group outside her own family & she probably doesn't have any more than a vote or a say in matters important to their governing group.

OT - I was just commenting to one of my neighbours on Monday that it was maybe odd that there weren't any CCTV cameras in the streets of our area. 2 days later they went up.. in numbers. Who's listening? Obviously it was inevitable, but sometimes it seems like I'm taking part in some sort of Truman show.

you are in a Truman show. imagine if you try and film all your "officials".....

it's not about the queen herself so much, although you'd be amazed at what she controls. the other royals play their parts and roles and can be as, or more important depending on what aspect you want to discuss. beatrice of netherlands is probably more active than elizabeth of england. the former is more hands-on, and the latter handles more of the ceremonial work. the whore of babylon is not the capstone, but is in alliance with the beast who serves the bright master who sees all at the top of the pyramid.

the british throne is near the top. the rothschilds are a step down, always trying to push even. remember, this is a systematic thing. nobles who hate and fight each other are likely to work to preserve the system together(in true psychopathic fashion). culture coming from same root as cultivate, always flows from the top down...

if you've read true scholarly works about these things and you think they disagree, i'd suggest a reread without the teacher's commentary. Carroll Quigley writes about these things as though the works are great and "christian"(in the most benevolent way). he makes it as though these people were rebels trying to truly "civil-ize" humanity, trying to bring humans to a world of peace and love. indeed, the worst plans of the leaders are always announced as a good, truly helpful thing. if those things you have read still disagree, well, check out reality a little closer and make up your own mind, i guess...just remember picture of the motto that i posted of the cover of the book "morals and dogma" by albert pike, ORDO AB CHAO....

Those are the words of Bush, not Pike.

I do agree with most of your positions on these subjects Gary. How could I not? When you get charged for power when you're not even using the bloody stuff, you gotta know something is seriously wrong with our society & that we're all being scammed to the hilt.

So, who IS at the top anyway? (just curious, since I still haven't figured that out other than the notion that it's not an individual).

why does there need to be someone specific? shared interest between psychopaths is enough...


inside "Morals and Dogma" Pike proclaims the glories of Lucifer...

also Shroomz, it's correct to say that those inbred nutcases aren't capable of pulling all this off. that's why they get us to do it all. who put up those cameras in your neighborhood and who are those cameras protecting?

Shroomz~> wrote:So, who IS at the top anyway? (just curious, since I still haven't figured that out other than the notion that it's not an individual).

There are in my estimation about 13 families running the planet.
...and they're all inter-related in some way.

Greg