What amazed me at the primary before New Hampshire (Iowa? - it's my age) was a statement from the Barack Obama .
I only half heard it on our news but I'm sure I heard him say:
"First we'll sort America out and then we'll sort the world out" or words to that effect.
Well, I didn't know that the rest of the world was waiting for America to sort it out. We have our own governments for that, thanks very much. If I was American I think on the basis of that, I'd vote for Hilary. She has some great food recipes too.
Mind you women don't generally speak with their mouths full in the White House do they? (Monica?)
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hubird
it's all just drama and theater. DELEGATES CAN VOTE FOR ANYONE THEY WISH TO. there is NO requirement for delegates to follow the popular vote. this was a compromise instituted when the country was formed becuase the elite at the time feared the rabble getting complete control over the government. instead of bringing the common man's education and awareness level up to their own, the elite prefer to think of themselves as a higher life form more fit to making decisions.
it shouldn't really matter because constitutionally, the president isn't in charge of anything! he's just a corporate CEO responsible to the shareholders(the popultation) through the board of directors(the Congress). i bet you didn't know that the US government is officially a corporation(as are most governments in the USA. cities even have dates of incorporation). it's true that the president is the Commander in Chief of the military, but he's not supposed to be able to activate the military without Congress' approval. of course, criminals never follow rules....
Hillary changes her accent depending on the audience, just like any professional politician. there's a really funny recording of her stumping in Alabama where she starts drwalin like a native like nobody's business. i believe the technique is part of a method known as Delphi.....
Obama is CFR just like all the other candidates except RonPaul. they work for the global banking/corporate interests and they are part of the big picture plan that WILL deal with Europe and the rest of the world, after they screw us here..
it shouldn't really matter because constitutionally, the president isn't in charge of anything! he's just a corporate CEO responsible to the shareholders(the popultation) through the board of directors(the Congress). i bet you didn't know that the US government is officially a corporation(as are most governments in the USA. cities even have dates of incorporation). it's true that the president is the Commander in Chief of the military, but he's not supposed to be able to activate the military without Congress' approval. of course, criminals never follow rules....
Hillary changes her accent depending on the audience, just like any professional politician. there's a really funny recording of her stumping in Alabama where she starts drwalin like a native like nobody's business. i believe the technique is part of a method known as Delphi.....
Obama is CFR just like all the other candidates except RonPaul. they work for the global banking/corporate interests and they are part of the big picture plan that WILL deal with Europe and the rest of the world, after they screw us here..
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hubird
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hubird
it would be seen as totally rediculous in holland, it wouldn't do her any good.
In the recent past politicions would even try to hide their natural accent a bit when going to the hague.
There's a tendency to the opposite these days, to show their voters mandate as a sign they are listening to them (remember pim Fortuyn's ).
In the recent past politicions would even try to hide their natural accent a bit when going to the hague.
There's a tendency to the opposite these days, to show their voters mandate as a sign they are listening to them (remember pim Fortuyn's ).
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hubird wrote:it would be seen as totally rediculous in holland, it wouldn't do her any good.
In the recent past politicions would even try to hide their natural accent a bit when going to the hague.
There's a tendency to the opposite these days, to show their voters mandate as a sign they are listening to them (remember pim Fortuyn's ).
hiding your accent is the same.
also, it's a little different in a country that is mainly one nation of people, as opposed to one that is made of many different compartmentalized nations and peoples....
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hubird
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the director of the health organisation in my region, my boss, earnes two times our the salary of the prime minister.
Even his top officials earned more, ha. they gonne change that soon tho.
It's a dogs job, to be in the gouvernment.
The news reporters can be hard here.
If not for the mony they do it for the power.
Yet in a parties coalition system you can't play it that hard tho.
A fall of the gouvernment would be punished hard at the next selections.
There are some hawks at the left side and in particular at the right side.
Under the belt feelings are publicly addressed by that side ('no more moskees, forbid the Koran').
Even his top officials earned more, ha. they gonne change that soon tho.
It's a dogs job, to be in the gouvernment.
The news reporters can be hard here.
If not for the mony they do it for the power.
Yet in a parties coalition system you can't play it that hard tho.
A fall of the gouvernment would be punished hard at the next selections.
There are some hawks at the left side and in particular at the right side.
Under the belt feelings are publicly addressed by that side ('no more moskees, forbid the Koran').
One thing many people overlook is the overall huge turnout for the ages of 18 through 25. Also a 40% increase in overall voter turnout. Iowa, as well as New Hampshire are WHITE states. 90 % !! The fact that Obama is attracting young voters, and even beating the stacked deck he faces, makes me very proud of the young Americans participating.
This is as GaryB says is a great, big theatrical performance. This is true. My grandfather taught me many things as a child that I will never forget, one being that Actors make the best Presidents. If the theatrical production is to continue until the winners term is over, acting and speaking talents are paramount.
I always just hope for the best knowing our votes help the " Corporations " choose better suited candidates in the years ahead.
I was hoping for Ron Paul myself, or Barak Obama. Having a mixed race President is so American, and would give the millions, and millions of young people hope for achieving their own unique version of the American Dream. Even if your vote means little once the candidate wins. But the participation factor is what makes it so specail.
In Ron Pauls case, it would tell the Beltway Boys ( Washington D.C. Politicians ), that they are out of favor, and can easily be replaced. Ron Paul made many affluential elites quite nervous. If we, the voters of the USA can vote during the primaries and give such honest candidates high percentages, it keeps the fire under the asses of the bought and paid for candidates.
We can only hope to keep whoever is elected honest. Good Luck.
This is as GaryB says is a great, big theatrical performance. This is true. My grandfather taught me many things as a child that I will never forget, one being that Actors make the best Presidents. If the theatrical production is to continue until the winners term is over, acting and speaking talents are paramount.
I always just hope for the best knowing our votes help the " Corporations " choose better suited candidates in the years ahead.
I was hoping for Ron Paul myself, or Barak Obama. Having a mixed race President is so American, and would give the millions, and millions of young people hope for achieving their own unique version of the American Dream. Even if your vote means little once the candidate wins. But the participation factor is what makes it so specail.
In Ron Pauls case, it would tell the Beltway Boys ( Washington D.C. Politicians ), that they are out of favor, and can easily be replaced. Ron Paul made many affluential elites quite nervous. If we, the voters of the USA can vote during the primaries and give such honest candidates high percentages, it keeps the fire under the asses of the bought and paid for candidates.
We can only hope to keep whoever is elected honest. Good Luck.
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hubird
One of the reasons Ron Paul has a lot of appeal is because he's not blessed by the bilderburg's and he's not as much a part of the corporate structure as the rest of the candidates. I won't re-gurgitate the discussion on firearms here, but I will point out that Ron Paul is very vocal about removing the Federal Reserve from controlling our money supply. Fox takes every effort to ridicule him over this and insure he's excluded from all of their debates. I wonder who Rupert Murdoch pays allegiance to eh?
I do hope that Hillary doesn't get elected into either office (includes Vice). Regardless of what you might think of former pres. Clinton's administration, one of the reasons that we change administrations every 4-8 years is because (in theory) this helps keep the lines of power shifting somewhat. For all the good having America finally getting their Thatcher would do for women's rights or whatever, I think that I'd rather not have the presidency turn into an office that's run along familial lines like a King/Queenship. Things may not be as they're taught in school but I think having both Bushes in power shows how easy that makes it for them to continue along the lines of the previous administration. Haliburton already ran off to Dubai with close to 2 trillion earned in profits off the war and Katrina...safely tucked away from Congress being able to drag their officers into congressional hearings over the fleecing they've given the flock...
I do hope that Hillary doesn't get elected into either office (includes Vice). Regardless of what you might think of former pres. Clinton's administration, one of the reasons that we change administrations every 4-8 years is because (in theory) this helps keep the lines of power shifting somewhat. For all the good having America finally getting their Thatcher would do for women's rights or whatever, I think that I'd rather not have the presidency turn into an office that's run along familial lines like a King/Queenship. Things may not be as they're taught in school but I think having both Bushes in power shows how easy that makes it for them to continue along the lines of the previous administration. Haliburton already ran off to Dubai with close to 2 trillion earned in profits off the war and Katrina...safely tucked away from Congress being able to drag their officers into congressional hearings over the fleecing they've given the flock...
I think there is a very clever a deep sight in what you say, especially if ,summarizing, I make a direct link between the beginning and the end of your post. Democracy is not a formula nor a label. It is not a graceful gift by the elites, who wouldn't like to concede anything, but it is mainly in the self-confidence and in the partecipation of the common people and, most of all in the feeling of the people as a community and not as an isolated individual just competing against everyone else to protect his little mafia called mono-nuclear family.scope4live wrote:One thing many people overlook is the overall huge turnout for the ages of 18 through 25. Also a 40% increase in overall voter turnout. Iowa, as well as New Hampshire are WHITE states. 90 % !! The fact that Obama is attracting young voters, and even beating the stacked deck he faces, makes me very proud of the young Americans participating...................................................................................................................................We can only hope to keep whoever is elected honest. Good Luck.
Considering that modern economy is something too complex to be reduced in slogans, what I see today as the line that devides a "left" from a "right", making me feel naturally positioned in the "left", is the appeal to fears that the "right" generally does, favoring the individual against the community (that's a trick obviously, we are all individuals), the family against the others, the city against the others, the race against the others and so on. The basic idea is that a community behaves well and obeys to authority if it is surrounded by enemies. So, at every level these fears are induced, responsibilities are felt so heavy that the poor scared citizen is happy there is a powerful and terrible ""father" that takes care of everything.
And beware! this form of fascism is hidden everywhere, also in some power groups that claim to be the "left"!!!!
Everytime you feel scared and hope that someone can do the job for you, while you think to something else, the little fascist that is in everyone is rising his ugly head.
This is the main psychological substrate, in my opinion, of the death penalty and the irrational illusions of being "better" than the others, family, race, nation, social class,beliefs or whatever. Despite the terminological contradiction, China is one of the most fascist countries in the world, and the U.S.S.R. was fascist as well...Putin is a faithful epigone though!
For me the real "left" is the concept of democracy as participation. Gary prefers and trusts only very small communities as a base for an healthy management of decisions. This idea is very similar to the Bakuninian anarchism, the reduction of power to the smallest amounts possible by fractioning. It's a good idea but only for certain things. Some other things affect necessarily much larger realities, so decisions must be taken over the heads of millions. Who, and how should take those decisions? I hope nobody thinks that there is a better way than measuring the opinion of the majority.
But!!!!! There is a gigantic "but". The majority mechanism can only work if at this much larger scale there is a common feeling. Because if we behave like tribes, there will be a tribal war.
Now, the problem is that some decisions can affect the whole world. If China decides that all of his citizens must have the same way of life of any European or American, the World will explode. Obviously keeping the same lifestyle in the North-West and thinking that the "others" will remain poor not only is unfair, but mainly idiotic, as China's economy is demonstrating .Things and events happening in one hemisphere have their consequences in the other.
So, are we going to talk and collaborate and try to feel a community simply as humans, or will we keep looking at our own navel while destruction goes on?
"Left", for me, means taking this question seriously.
who writes your stuff? Ron Paul is for bringing ALL US troops home. what he said about Afghanistan and Osama was that it was clear that we were not going in to get Osama, clean up the "terrorist camps" and go home, which was what Congress originally mandated the WhiteHouse to do. if you ask him if we belong in other countries that don't directly attack us, he will say, "NO". Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate to express his lack of support for the war.braincell wrote:Ron Paul favors the never ending war in Afghanistan. He also wants people to be able to own deadly and dangerous weapons, the sole purpose of which is to kill people and animals. Ron Paul is a blood thirsty fool.
Afghanistan has been a Skull and Bones interest since their(the Russell Trust) ships transported opium from Afghanistan to China during the British/Chinese Opium Wars. Afghanistan is a CFR/Bilderburg interest, not the interest of an obstitrician from Texas.
aaaaannnnd, in New Hampshire, serious voting irregularities have already surfaced. indeed, several counties have changed their results in the last day...there may be a recount...