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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:21 pm
by Nestor
Here in Chile there is a man that came from Europe, I don’t know yet his exact origin and name, but he has created a revolutionary newspaper called “the guardian of health – knowledge that saves people’s lives”. I will probably meet this person and write something to you about some day. I truly love and welcome intelligent revolutionary people, as much as I feel revulsion for the “bla-bla-bla” people that try hard to make us belief they are the savors of the world, when they are nothing but selfish people that idolatrize their own ego.

He has had a number of serious problems with authorities here, because he has denounced several times their “real intentions” behind the good words… He has stated that the real intention behind chemistries, also called pharmacies are terrible, and that health is not their goal but covetousness, money and desire for power.

He claims openly to have discovered some dirty hidden deals between certain areas of health and others from food manufactures, explaining that about 36.000 new additives are put in the market every year, and that they are “maliciously” put together so people get ill slowly. At the same time, there are millions of dollars “already and beforehand spend”, to build the “cures”, the medicaments to the illnesses they create with those additives. Isn’t it curious that just when it comes this big, massive illness, the market is ready to answer to the new peril in advance? Oh yes, it is indeed peculiar! They simply already know what is going to happen. They create the need, and then the response to that need with new medicines that in fact, nobody should had ever need in the first place, if they would not have eaten this dirty additives!

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:30 pm
by Tau
a bit sideways here, but I just saw on TV a piece reporting how several women in the USA have been fined and brought to justice for beastfeeding their babies in public... some people giving their opinion called it indecent exposure and actually compared breastfeeding in a café to being in a topless bar... "I have the right not to see it", someone said... Puzzling. And some states actually have laws against breastfeeding, so it's gone beyond simple uneducated opinions on the streets to the high courts!

I mean, it's not even funny, how the most sacred unity of human life, at its most important and delicate state, has to be subdued to insane rulings of insane people! How can it even be put to comparison? The breast has come full circle: no longer a source of nurture, but must be primarily an object of lust. Babies suck on tits because they are perverts, and women show their breasts, beacuse they are exhibitionist whores...

And did someone mention general mandatory health care? Like in brothels, and pig farms?!! This is really sinking fast, if such a thing becomes reality (although insurance companies have been enforcing this sort of thing for long).



just something that rose from reading this thread...

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:20 pm
by Nestor
I could not agree more with you Tau, breastfeeding is the most natural and beautiful thing in the world… The “perversion” is not in breasts, and of course it is NOT in sex either, but in the mind of dirty pigs that think that way… because they are internally dirty.

I have recently seen a program about this also, and it was amazing. But fortunately, most people still think like you and me about breastfeeding.

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:17 pm
by Shroomz~>
Now you're talkin'. Bravo! :D

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:36 pm
by garyb
Tau-
that's on target.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:20 am
by Shroomz~>
Ah yes, I was a page too late :D :lol:

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:03 am
by kensuguro
i'm not against people taking care of the sick, far from it! but i'm not for any measures that take away a human being's soveriegnity, when it comes to himself. i'm not a child, i don't need to be looked after. i'll ask if i need a hand.
I guess I agree with that, considering the way things were meant to work.. I'd just want to be assured good quality health care when I need it. Nothing sucks more than being assured good care, and not getting it when you need it most.

Tau, I think if you can conjure up a logic behind something, and pay a miraculous speaker to present it, anything can happen. It's just the way it is, same everywhere else, but especially in the US. Just look at the government. It's very unique.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:14 am
by skwawks
Just about smoking ... I do ...every week I pay approximately $56 more in tax to the state gov. than a non smoker does .thats on top of health care payments and the rest . Also up to this point in time my demands on the health care system have been absolutely minimal and hopefully will continue that way. So if anyone is tempted to adopt the currently politically correct stance on my legal little vice which may or may not end up killing me , just like driving ...going for a walk ...having a swim ....sitting in front of a crt or lcd screen remember that basically we smokers HAVE paid our way . Personally speaking I give myself a lot more chance of survival than those dickheads you see running or cycling in peak hour traffic . I mean why not just lay down and suck on someones exhaust pipe

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:31 am
by kensuguro
whoa, where did the smoking issue come from? Everyone smoke in NY so I never thought anything of it. Some people smoke, and some don't. That's all there is to it I think. I've seen joggers smoking while jogging lol. So, there's a very wide spectrum in between I'm sure.

y'know, one of the strangest facts is that although Japan is one of the most heavy smoking countries (I think, not fact), it also has the highest life expectancy rates. I never figured out why. Not to get people to smoke or anything, just strange.

But anyway.. smoking? I thought we were talking illegal immigrants and health care?

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:47 am
by next to nothing
we all like smoking illegal stuff, so its probably a nice compromise.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:49 am
by astroman
hubird wrote:So, now we have two options.
One is, exclude smokers and inactive fat eaters from health care or put them at the end of the list.
Two, accept the gouvernment forbids all bad stuff to be sold or marketed...
sorry to contradict, but this is not the question - it doesn't matter in this context
there are sick people searching treatment (whatever made them ill)
the majority could be cured with almost no effort in resources, just by changing their way of life.
This might be sensed as a restriction of personal freedom - and only in such cases a hint to increased fees might be appropropriate. ...do as you like, but be prepared to the costs, which are...

It's the same as if I'd stop working tomorrow because I find it 'somewhat inconvenient... ', and ask the public to pay my wages.
again it's not the details that matter

there is a problem, there is an easy and cost effective solution - but it's not applied

we're talking about a significant part of 2 billion Euro per month for medication alone... (in germany)
another significant part is the painkiller-tranquilizer group
I've seen it myself in phamacy distribution what huge amounts of that stuff are consumed every day, more legal junkies...

to just calm down the symptoms, but never really cure them is a very big business :o :P

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:18 am
by Nestor
Well, that turned to be something like: illegal aliens smoking while breastfeeding babies… quite bizarre! It sounds kind of science fiction to me. :lol:

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:31 am
by next to nothing
"to just calm down the symptoms, but never really cure them is a very big business "

the best business tho, is taking care of the medicines bi-effect, not by improving the drug, but by making a new medicine against the bi-effect (ofcourse making new bi-effects). Big industry indeed.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:22 pm
by hubird
The problem is, lung cancer and obesitas not always are caused by smoking or eating junk food respectivily.
Waiting lists or an own financial risk on personal level won't work, unless big brother is 100%.
So if a society wants to do something on the increasing costs of health care, it should have the courage to keep the bad stuff out of public life (advertisements, snackbars in the streets and schools even, etc.).
Now that every part of public life has been 'privatised', from public people-transport to health care and care of aged people (in Europe just since a few years), it looks like we as a society are taken as a hostage of the holy 'free market'.
The good thing is, smoking in public places had it's longest time, now the snacks are left :-D

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:04 pm
by dawman
I love sideways threads.

This is what makes the Z unique.

I love breast-feeding myself, I pay for my own ( expensive ) insurance, and when the Mexicams that entered illegally leave, WBTW is really only about 10-15% here in Nevada, many homeless Americans will be able to have a job, but will be forced to become " trackable ". Which is what many of them wish to avoid, or they would accept the help that's available. But even our own Veterans Administration benefits are free, not the best, but certainly availble for VET's. My son has returned to being a civilian recently and has recieved a commercial pilots license from all of the training he got in rotary, and fixed wing aircraft schools. Amazingly my grandchildren have decent insurance benefits that carried over with them until my son returned to the private sector.

I am very proud of the service he did, and my 3 grandchildren. The training he recieved while serving his country was second to none, as he will excell in the private sector the way he excelled in his service.

If Mexico, or the host countries of these illegal aliens would let Americans break their laws the way their citizens have done to us, it would be fair. Unfortunately when an economy as strong as the USA's becomes involved, host countries jealously apply their restrictions.

Mexico's government can suck my ass.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:43 pm
by skwawks
Nicotine plasters are great for international flights ..I was amazed the first time I used them ,but my problem is really that I like smoking ..it's not just the nicotine craving .
To highlight the madness ....about 5 years ago I was on a long tour through Oz with a bunch of old rockers who were old enough to know better and in The Rod Laver Stadium in Melbourne, in the bad boys dressing room , that was the one the one with the deep haze hiding the opposite wall , just outside the showers were two signs on the wall.... NO SMOKING and also a small wall mounted bin with a sign saying "used needles in here" :o
I've never really got my head around that :lol:
Hey Jimmy... my stepson did Bhagdad and some unidentified shithole in Afghanistan . He wasn't a very happy boy when he came home from Iraq but he got over it and now he's left the army and doing nicely as a civilian ,thank christ for that . If he'd been hurt over there it would have been all my fault ...I was the one who said to his [very pacifist and anti authoritarian] mother about 15 years ago
" for gods sake let him join the army.... at least he knows what he wants to do "
that was when things were relatively quiet for the oz army .
Paul

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:25 pm
by dawman
That'sWhen My Boy Signed Up Also,
He was in Afghanstan for 4 1/2 years. He volunteered. My heart sank when he left for Baghram, but everytime I heard his voice I was filled with pride, guilt, and other mixed emotions.

I prayed alot in those days. I am glad he is home.

He is an incredible pilot from what I've heard from his wingman and other comrades. He was going to go to Italy to learn and qualify in the Osprey ( tilt rotor airctaft ), but the private sector and pay was a no brainer. Plus my daughter in law is a beautiful girl from Florence Italy, and she convinced him that his children and her should be the choice and the future. I thank her everytime we speak. When you are so proud of your service, and the cause it stands for, pride can be strong deterrent. He passed on Iraq thank God. Our boys shouldn't be fighting that fight anymore, it's up to the Arabs that come from there to continue it. Afterall, It's Iran they fighting now, not some little neighborhhod gang.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:53 pm
by hubird
right :-)

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:41 am
by Zer
the usa weren't probably founded by illegal aliens?

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:43 am
by Shroomz~>
:lol: .. A Very Good Point !!!