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yes.

there are books.

Well then, may we see them?

but of course.
it won't take much effort to find if you are really interested..
read some of H.G. Wells' non fiction. he wrote more non fiction than fiction...
Thomas Malthus' works are a good starting place.

are you surprised? really?

So you're saying that the conflict was created to butcher men, women and children?

it's terrible, no?

definitely unnessessary. the same guys that finaced both sides of the war, also finaced hitler and el duce's rise. this is a matter of public record that is not disputed.

above the national cemetary here in los angeles, there is a goddess over the gates, who owns and protects the soldiers buried there. all national cemetaries have similar guardian goddesses. rome, greece and egypt did the same. the dead warriors were always considered a sanctified blood sacrifice. even today, we say of a dead soldier, "he committed the ultimate act of sacrifice, laying down his body and shedding his blood for [insert cause here]".

even more terrible, war is often compelling and amazing things happen that seem to exalt humanity's best traits, which make great movies!

Well the first episode of Ken Burns documentary is named "A Neccessary War".

What particular books by HG Wells and the other guy detail the population control?

garyb wrote:it's terrible, no?

definitely unnessessary. the same guys that finaced both sides of the war, also finaced hitler and el duce's rise. this is a matter of public record that is not disputed.

Do you mean "Il Duce", Musolini?
Who financed hitler and il duce?

BingoTheClowno wrote:

hubird wrote:

BingoTheClowno wrote: I hoped someone could offer different perspectives of this war, links to other documentaries, books etc.

well, that's exactly the identical intention of the Yoga thread poster whom you let little room...or?

I left him plenty of room. You can't even imagine how much I held back.

You left him plenty of room?
You don't, you never do when you're politically/emotionally involved
I do imagine how much you hold back, from your 'style' alone
That makes it even worse, as you're limits are rather tight...making me prudent to reply to a thread like yours.
sorry

I believe many companies financed Hitler, including some really big names. Ford is an example.
Im also sure there are ties between a Prescott Bush and certain companies involved.

Oh yeh and IBM made the machines, that were specifically designed to aid in the cataloging of jews.

Theres lots of stuff about WW2 we are never supposed to know, and even more we never will know.

It always perplexed me why Rudolph Hess was held in solitary confinement until he died a few years ago . He was a pretty innocuous sort of guy, is my impression, for senior member of the Nazi party and he did do that secret trip to Scotland early on and he did meet Churchill they say . I'd have liked to have been a fly on the wall for that meeting but then would have had to spray me I suppose
Paul
Bingo there ARE conspiracies you know ....and no I cant prove it .....thats because they try to keep them secret and thats why say stay light on your feet ...you get too dogmatic and you go blind

i wrote this a while ago, rehearsal began and i'm just getting a chance to send it.

bingo, here's some info, per your request.

here's a wiki on Thomas Malthus. his is a name that should be known, especially by one who would be called "educated". his ideas are fundemental to the developement of english speaking civilization in particular, but also modern economies and sociaties in general.

i can't do all your research for you, but the information is right where i'm pointing you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Malthus
some of his writings:
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/malthus/malthus.0.html


for Wells, it's the same story. you'll find that aldous huxley's grandfather was his teacher(aldous' brother was the founder of the british secret service). just do the re-search. he wrote such books as "A Modern Utopia", but his best works were for the Crown as the official "futurist".....

thanks for the help with the spelling of il duce, brain lock, you know. i often spell badly.

i hope that you actually want the info, otherwise i wasn't even going to go into it....

BingoTheClowno wrote:Well the first episode of Ken Burns documentary is named "A Neccessary War"

well then! OK! if a Ken Burns documentary says so it must be so!













sorry, just humor. not serious.

seeing as you're all comfortably ignoring me I'll continue . The capitalists were all highly concerned about the bolsheviks of course ,as they have been and are throughout our lifetime , and to a certain extent I share their concern . I for one do not want to live in a world that is controlled by a union of concerned workers . you could substitute criminal thugs there if you want ....I wont mind .
Capitalists after all are criminal thugs who have managed to aquire a certain amount of class as a result of better education and food and I think I find them more acceptable companions on this lonely journey.
What I was fed in modern history at school was that the second world war came out of the first world war by way of the punitive conditions imposed on the Germans for apparently starting the first world war . Of course it wasn't stressed there that it takes two to tango . what wasn't explained was how a nation crippled by sanctions was after a respectable period in mourning able to create an ultra modern fighting machine out of apparently no money .
Yes well of course there were those incredibly able AMERICANS weren't there Bingo with money to burn and a yen for the fruits of power ,who belatedly realised that old Adolf wasn't going to cut the mustard and that they'd better get onside with the possible winners , like the Russians who weren't going to give in and lived in a country as huge and cold as sin and the Brits who were going to fuck you up one way or another if they possibly could because thats what you do donchaknow . So Bingo .. I love all that war shit and maybe old Ken is going to do something good but if he isn't going to name names then it's just Hollywood although it might be good if nothing else is on . I thought band of brothers from spielberg was good and the sands of iwo jima from eastwood was as you might expect excellent .
A real eye opener for me was... @ kensuguro.... a diving trip through saipan ,palau and truk where I indisputably learned that the allied forces did not liberate the pacific at all ...they simply TOOK it from Japan who were and are quite well thought of in the region.... with a few exceptions like China but they've always hated each other like the brits and the frogs [sorry celmo it's just irony....and I would guess far preffered to the euros who arrived a bit later . So there you go Bingo I'll watch for free {or maybe for the satellite fee} but I probably wont go out the door for it . I'll let you know if I change my mind .

garyb wrote:that's right. General Motors sponsors the war and then the Film.

BTW, all of Ken Burns films are sponsored by General Motors! Are all of them propaganda?

His last film, produced with Paul Barnes, was Unforgivable Blackness: The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson (on PBS in January 2005), the story of the first African-American heavyweight champion. Prior to Jack Johnson was Horatio’s Drive: America’s First Road Trip, a two-hour account of the first cross-country trip by automobile, co-produced by Ken’s longtime collaborator Dayton Duncan. It aired on PBS in October 2003. Mark Twain, a two-part, four-hour portrait of America’s funniest and most popular writer, was also co-produced with Dayton Duncan and aired on PBS in January 2002. In January 2001, Jazz, the third in Ken’s trilogy of epic documentaries, which began with The Civil War and continued with Baseball, was broadcast on PBS. Co-produced with Lynn Novick, this 19-hour, 10-part film explores in detail the culture, politics and dreams that gave birth to jazz music and follows this most American of art forms from its origins in blues and ragtime through swing, bebop and fusion. Jack Newfield of the New York Post said, “Jazz is the best American documentary film I have ever seen. Period.” Tom Brokaw wrote, “Jazz is a masterpiece of American television.” John Carmen of the San Francisco Chronicle wrote, “Jazz informs, astonishes, and entertains. It invites joy, tears, toe-tapping, pride, and shame and maybe an occasional goose bump.” Jazz premiered on PBS in January 2001.

Not For Ourselves Alone: The Story of Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony, winner of the prestigious Peabody Award, was co-produced with Paul Barnes and aired on PBS in November 1999. This dual biography tells the story of the two women who almost single-handedly created and spearheaded the women’s rights movement in America, changing for the better the lives of a majority of American citizens. As Bob Herbert of The New York Times stated, “The latest splendid effort from ... Ken Burns is about two women who barely register in the consciousness of late-20th century America, but whose lives were critically important to the freedoms most of us take for granted.” The 2000 Peabody Award citation for NFOA reads, “Remarkable ... It is an inspiring story of hopes, dashed dreams and dogged determination ... NFOA ... brings heart, soul and considerable poignancy to the stories of these two leaders of the women’s suffrage movement.”

Frank Lloyd Wright, co-directed and produced with Lynn Novick, premiered at the Sundance Film Festival in January 1998 and aired on PBS in November 1998. The film, which tells the riveting story of America’s foremost architectural genius, is, according to Janet Maslin of The New York Times, a “towering two-and-one-half-hour(s) ... sure to have a high profile because of the turbulent, colorful life of the architect and the austere magnificence of his work, which is thoughtfully assessed.” Kenneth Turan of the Los Angeles Times wrote that the film “... has the unbeatable combination of exceptional interview material and beautiful architectural photography put at the service of an astonishing life.” In 1999, it won the Peabody Award.

In November 1997, Lewis and Clark: The Journey of the Corps of Discovery was released to critical acclaim and garnered the second-highest ratings in public television history. This four-hour film, co-produced with Dayton Duncan, chronicles the corps’ journey westward on the first official expedition into uncharted spaces in United States history. Tony Scott of Weekly Variety called the film “... a visually stunning account ... Striking photography, superb editing, informative reportage and little-known anecdotes characterize the latest fine documentary work from Burns,” and Don Heckman of the Los Angeles Times wrote, “... superb ... a vast landscape that, even on the television screen, underscores the sense of awe reported by Lewis and Clark in their journals.”

Thomas Jefferson, a three-hour portrait of America’s third president, aired on PBS in February 1997. This film explores the contradictions in the man who was revered as the author of the most sacred document in American history and condemned as a lifelong owner of slaves. Walter Goodman of The New York Times said, “... Thomas Jefferson is a considerable accomplishment, a thoughtful and affecting portrait of the intellectual who captured the essence of a new nation’s hopes in phrases that continue to resound around the world.” And George Will, in The Washington Post, said, “... Ken Burns presents a timely corrective, a visually sumptuous and intellectually judicious appraisal of Jefferson.”

In fall 1996, The West, an eight-part, 12½-hour film series on the American west was released. The West is the story of one of the great crossroads in human history, a place where, tragically and heroically, the best of us met the worst of us and nothing was left unchanged. Ken Burns was executive producer and creative consultant for this highly praised series, directed by Stephen Ives, which won the 1997 Erik Barnouw Prize.

Ken Burns was the director, producer, co-writer, chief cinematographer, music director and executive producer of the public television series Baseball. Four and a half years in the making and 18½ hours in length, this film covers the history of baseball from the 1840s to the present. Through the extensive use of archival photographs and newsreel footage, baseball as a mirror of our larger society was brought to the screen over nine nights during its premiere in September 1994. It became the most watched series in PBS history, attracting more than 45 million viewers. David Bianculli of the Daily News said, “[Baseball] ... resonates like a Mozart symphony.” Richard Zoglin of Time magazine wrote, “Baseball is rich in drama, irresistible as nostalgia, and ... an instructive window into our national psychology.” Baseball received numerous awards, including an Emmy, the CINE Golden Eagle Award, the Clarion Award and the Television Critics Association Awards for Outstanding Achievement in Sports and Outstanding Achievement in Movies, Mini-Series & Specials.

Ken Burns was also the director, producer, co-writer, chief cinematographer, music director and executive producer of the landmark television series The Civil War. This film was the highest-rated series in the history of American public television, prior to Baseball, and attracted an audience of 40 million during its premiere in September 1990. The New York Times called it a masterpiece and said that Ken Burns “takes his place as the most accomplished documentary filmmaker of his generation.” Tom Shales of The Washington Post said, “This is not just good television, nor even just great television. This is heroic television.” The columnist George Will said, “If better use has ever been made of television, I have not seen it and do not expect to see better until Ken Burns turns his prodigious talents to his next project.” The series has been honored with more than 40 major film and television awards, including two Emmy Awards, two Grammy Awards, a Producer of the Year Award from the Producer’s Guild, a People’s Choice Award, a Peabody Award, a duPont-Columbia Award, a D.W. Griffiths Award and the $50,000 Lincoln Prize, among dozens of others.

In 1981, Ken Burns produced and directed the Academy Award-nominated Brooklyn Bridge. He has gone on to make several other award-winning films, including The Shakers: Hands to Work, Hearts to God; The Statue of Liberty, also nominated for an Oscar; Huey Long, the story of the turbulent Southern dictator, which enjoyed a rare theatrical release; The Congress: The History and Promise of Representative Government; Thomas Hart Benton, a portrait of the regionalist artist; and Empire of the Air: The Men Who Made Radio. Ken Burns has also produced and directed two films, William Segal and Vezelay, which explore the question of search and individual identity through the work and teachings of philosopher and painter William Segal.

Ken was born in Brooklyn, New York, in 1953. He graduated from Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts, in 1975.

hubird wrote:

BingoTheClowno wrote:

hubird wrote: well, that's exactly the identical intention of the Yoga thread poster whom you let little room...or?

I left him plenty of room. You can't even imagine how much I held back.

You left him plenty of room?
You don't, you never do when you're politically/emotionally involved
I do imagine how much you hold back, from your 'style' alone
That makes it even worse, as you're limits are rather tight...making me prudent to reply to a thread like yours.
sorry

Prudent, why? Are you afraid of being ridiculed?

And Gary, regarding the population control theory, what was the "quota" and how much was accomplished? Wheren't other means available? What was the population count at that time and how much was achieved?

skwawks wrote:seeing as you're all comfortably ignoring me I'll continue

Why was Spain not invaded by Hitler?

BingoTheClowno wrote:

garyb wrote:that's right. General Motors sponsors the war and then the Film.

BTW, all of Ken Burns films are sponsored by General Motors! Are all of them propaganda?

of course!

BingoTheClowno wrote:And Gary, regarding the population control theory, what was the "quota" and how much was accomplished? Wheren't other means available? What was the population count at that time and how much was achieved?

first, it's not a theory. it's a fact. there ARE documents.
second, it doesn't have to make sense to you to be so.