wolf audio design - release of 16 Channel Mixer

[hubird]

congrats Wolf, you put everything in it what's asked for by the community, if I remember well.
I only would opt for 24 channels, but that's it

[Hyp-No-Tyze]

its the mixer I was waiting for because of the multi midi,
interested too in a 32 version

thanks for the job wolf

[wolf]

This one looks like a great recording mixer.

yep .. mixing with the right tools was the primary goal.

Thanks for all the nice comments, btw !

but would really need at least 6 - but why not 12? With DSP allocation this would be great - we are using computers here not hardware, so why not make the most of it!!!

Well, the natural barrier is the amount of dsps you have sitting in your computer, regardless how fast it is.

Generally the decision to have 4 bus and 4 aux sends was due to the experience, that we seldom use more than three auxes and more than two busses here. Having the above mentioned barrier in mind, it doesn't make sense to have sends using dsp, while we do not use them. Especially since you can "misuse" busses as aux send, the only difference is the missing volume control.
Basically the same is true for the amount of inputs (I do a lot of subsumming & preprocessing in the sequencer).
So we prefered the ability to load plugins like hell instead of having lots of (usually unused) functions.
There may be different working flows of course ...

2nd argument was simply space. We wanted all important stuff on one surface, so there's no aditional user action needed (direct access and everything important viewable at a glance, that is).
32 channels and 8 sends/auxes would introduce the need to switch pages.
I hate that like pimples in my face and would even buy a new monitor to avoid that

Btw, there is a difference between inputs and sends:
Unused inputs don't waste dsp, while unused sends do.
Of course sends don't use as much dsp as inputs, but it sums up.

I deeply understand the desire to "play around" and try things out though

So here's the deal:
If this is gonna happen, I don't wanna hear anyone moan about dsp consumption and not beeing able to load plugins while using all 32 channels and/or using multi midi support, even if he has 45 dsps.
You can try it out for yourself: just download the demo, load it twice into scope, activate all channels, then activate all custom midi assignments.
As said I prefer to be able to load i.e. warp's p100&a100 (the mixer is specially optimized for these, btw ) and all the other goodies, scope offers.
However if you guys need it ..

congrats Wolf, you put everything in it what's asked for by the community, if I remember well.

Well I heard about a wish to implement a coffee maker, but I must refuse here .. 1st I'll implement a full body massage function

[hesnotthemessiah]

32 channels and 8 sends/auxes would introduce the need to switch pages.
I hate that like pimples in my face and would even buy a new monitor to avoid that

Tell me about it. I use two 20" monitors and woke up this morning with a bute of a pimple on my chin!!

Perhaps just a button to flip the mixer channels displayed from channels 1 - 16 to 17 - 32 and an additional option to have all 32 channels on display? Or, even better, a small area kept aside where you could select which channels are displayed?

Btw, there is a difference between inputs and sends:
Unused inputs don't waste dsp, while unused sends do.
Of course sends don't use as much dsp as inputs, but it sums up.

I never realise that about unused sends. I just thought that the software would detect if anything was connected and allocate DSP accordingly. I like to use the fx sends for sidechaining, although I have used smaller sub mixers to take care of this.

So here's the deal:
If this is gonna happen, I don't wanna hear anyone moan about dsp consumption and not beeing able to load plugins while using all 32 channels and/or using multi midi support, even if he has 45 dsps.
You can try it out for yourself: just download the demo, load it twice into scope, activate all channels, then activate all custom midi assignments.
As said I prefer to be able to load i.e. warp's p100&a100 (the mixer is specially optimized for these, btw ) and all the other goodies, scope offers.
However if you guys need it ..

I need it, I need it!!! I don't get any probs using the STM4896 (with 36DSPs and usually upto about 30 channels, 5 buses and 5 fx sends) so shouldn't have any probs with a 32 channel mixer. Any chance of more fx sends/buses aswell though?

Perhaps, whilst on the subject of saving DSP resources, you could have a "partial body massage" option (limited to certain parts of one's anatomy - if you catch my drift).

[spacef]

Congratulations Wolf
Mehdi

[moxi]

nice!

I will buy this one next month!

now, let's go building my MIDIbox LC!!!



http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_lc.html

[dawman]

Buy Both Brotha' Man Stardust !!

Brotha' Man Wolf,
I was going to buy this anyway, but I really need a 32 channel mixer for Gigastudio 4, and have 2 x A16's that I am dying to start recording with. A friend of mine has a collection of recording mics that's astounding, as well as Crane Song Mic Pre's, etc.

I have had developers make me special purpose mixers, but this looks like an awesome recording mixer. I have a QY700 32 track sequencer that could be used with this. I assure you, I will not be one of the whiners.

PlanetZ members are frugal, but at the end of the day, we are not the VST mooches that plague KVR-VST's forums. I sometimes lurk around there and am astounded at the sheer amount of beggars, and whiners.
When they finally pull a dollar bill out of their pocket, George Washington squints, as he hasn't seen the sun for several months.


Please Count Me In On 2 x 32 Channel Versions, Do Not Allow GaryB To Have One, As I Will Buy His For All Of The Work He Has Done For Everyone Here, Especially Myself.


After That Transaction, Could I Bother You For A Copy Of My Last Purchase? I Seemed To Have Lost Them During An Install.



Thanks For Your Love Of Our Platform, And All Of Your Marvelous Devices.




Strength And Honor,

[bill3107]

congrats ! Looks nice and handy !

[nightscope]

I really need a 32 channel mixer

2 x WolfMixer16 = 1 x WolfMixer32. 2 x 16 fit perfectly on the screen. A Wolf32 would have to have a 16 x 16 over & under display. Which would look nice. I guess a 32 would be less DSP intensive than 2 x 16 though. Don't know.

DSP capacity would be a big factor with any WolfMixer32 I think. Using a 32 at full tilt will cost some very serious DSP juice. Which might be OK for you, S4L, as maybe you have a big box just for mixing. My 30 DSP's gave up the ghost trying to connect all 32 inputs to 2 x 16 Wolf's with nothing else big in the project. I'd never need a 32, 1 x 16 is perfectly OK. There are other options if things get real big which is rare.

All in all, I LOVE the Wolf16. Ergonomically it's a treat. DSP usage is fine and can be managed efficiently. I would never say any piece of Scope gear actually "rocks". Music "rocks". However, the Wolf16 decidedly "trembles".

ns

[dawman]

Thanks 4 The Tips,
Keep me informed on what it's capable of. I have a great need for a 24, or 32 channel mixer though. If Wolf says that it's a hog, he designed it, so he would know.

Let me know how many plugs and sends you get hooked up, and of course it's consumption.


Thanks Brotha' Man Nightscope, and of course, Brotha' Man Wolf,

[hubird]

I think it'd give you a better overview if you group a few well chosen synth stereo pairs in a small mixer before sending them through a (any0 16 ch mixer instead of having a huge 32 ch mixer laying around.

[nightscope]

I think it'd give you a better overview if you group a few well chosen synth stereo pairs in a small mixer before sending them through a (any0 16 ch mixer instead of having a huge 32 ch mixer laying around.

Yes. That seems to be the direction I've been going in with the Wolf16, though I don't use a lot of synths. Use it as the control centre for everything. Groups is fun. I got the kit going through a 1632 into channel 1 of the Wolf16. Sort it out and leave it. Loads of backing vox tracks onto another through another 1632. Bit wary of the Dynamic mixer. Guitar snippets on another. This is probably the biggest track I'm doing at the moment and with grouping everything I still got a coupla Wolfie's spare.

Sounds good to me. Well, better than before. I'm thinking the interior audio plumbing in the Wolf16 is excellent. Haven't really got a lot of aux's hooked up yet so can't really comment on maxed out DSP usage right now, no problem at all so far.

If Wolf says that it's a hog, he designed it, so he would know.

A wolf in hog's clothing!! No, It's really not a hog at all given the extra facilities is offers. Scope has always been a resource management exercise given it's limitations.

ns

[wolf]

Hi guys,

a 32 channel variation is in the making & might be even available next week, if everything goes on like expected (which is usually unlikely ).

Perhaps just a button to flip the mixer channels displayed from channels 1 - 16 to 17 - 32

That's the plan.

I never realise that about unused sends. I just thought that the software would detect if anything was connected and allocate DSP accordingly.

It's a little bit more complicated, if you look at the details
In this special case a circuit to make the aux/bus downmix section load dynamically would use drastically more dsp than the downmix circuit itself.

Any chance of more fx sends/buses aswell though?

Unfortunately this would need a complete & basic rebuild of the mixer.
This won't happen in the next future, sorry.

After That Transaction, Could I Bother You For A Copy Of My Last Purchase? I Seemed To Have Lost Them During An Install.

Jimmy, I pm'ed you.

And thanks again to all for the nice comments, very encouraging

[kylie]

you guys must have all a fully loaded dsp farm...
the 16ch version requires a big card minimum and wolf said, better two to have it working ok.
if requirements double with the 32ch version... uh uh...

-greetings, markus-

[dawman]

Good,
I will use a DAW for recording, one for synths and samplers, and one for dancing ho's.

I was using 2 DAW's, but it's really not necessary anymore, Scope / Giga DAW's work flawlessley, as long as I don't try to add new VST apps, or any extra uneeded stuff. Solaris in hardware will save me mucho DSP power. I can throw in my FB5 for mixing, B2003, ProWave and 2 x Flexor III giants w/ no problemos. Tons of FX also since I have 3 x hardware effects in the AUX's.

I will use Wolf's giant channel for recording live. The Psychedelic project sounds really good, so 32 channels, w/ 2 x A16 Ultras should be just fine.

I will be using my DAS MM again w/ a new production also. Looks like Scope is gonna make me some more money in 2008.

Anyone have any good tips on how to sync a 3 camera video shoot, to the recorded live tracks. I would like to do this myself, and just hire the video team ala carte. I have worked w/ SMPTE several times, but it was in a post enviroment, not live.


This 32 Channel Mixer Will Be Sweet,

[Janni]

Just installed this M O N S T E R !!!!!!!
I'm totally impressed....
Never seen such a well designed mixer with that routing possibilities...
Finally stereo sends...

The MOD-Shell is just so crazy!!!!!!

And I think 99 Euros is sooo cheap for that tool!

Cheers,
Jan

[musurgio]

Dear Wolf,
By saying this is phase alligned mixer does this mean that all tracks are phase alligned in beetween them ??
CW mixers do allign every three channels because that is perhaps per dsp .
Can you please explain about it some more ?
Also VERY IMPORTANT , how can this be done (following).
Lets say you put a transient designer which has an over 45 samples latency and on another tracks you put a compressor with lookahead of some ms !
How can you allign these automatically, if possible of course ??
Do the CW plugins report their latency ?
Is there any latency detector plugin possible if not the above ?
Regards,
Dimitrios

[wolf]

CW mixers do allign every three channels because that is perhaps per dsp . Can you please explain about it some more ?

uhm, I don't know the internals of the STM mixers.
Shurely enough a latency introducing insert fx will destroy that alignment.

By saying this is phase alligned mixer does this mean that all tracks are phase alligned in beetween them ??

nope, it means the left and right channel is phase aligned as well as the whole bus&aux mixdown (inserts aren't, otherwise you wouldn't be able to load some demanding fx).

Lets say you put a transient designer which has an over 45 samples latency and on another tracks you put a compressor with lookahead of some ms !
How can you allign these automatically, if possible of course ??

In an easy way you can't due to ->

Do the CW plugins report their latency ?

Unfortunately not.

Is there any latency detector plugin possible if not the above ?

Well, I could imagine some kind of calibrator like I did in my personal mid-side EQ. However this would need to be executed on any config. change and after project load .. quite uncomfortable, if done manual.
The 'automatic' part is even more challenging as it needs to "listen" to a hidden phase cancelling circuit, which ignores phase drifts of filters & modulations and is only supposed to run while calibrating .. some kind of PLL. Needless to tell, that this takes add. dsp ressources. So far the theoretics ..

Some words to latency introduced by plugins:
In general it is much more dsp-friendly to send the incoming signal earlier than the others. This can easily be done in the sequencer.
Doing this in the mixer would require to add delays (=dsp-usage) for each other channel, so they align up with by the plugin delayed channel.

[musurgio]

Dear Wolf,
thanks fo the reply !
I am surely interested in this pll latency identifier !
I will certainly pay for it !!!
So this could identify the actual latency of each plugin on after the other an report actual latency ?
Please let me know
Regards,
Dimitrios

[Kymeia]

Wow - this is worth it for the modular insert feature alone. I take it this means you can load a full Modular synth patch complete with presets and play (or effect in an effects slot)? You don't have to rebuild it in the shell do you like with the other attempts at this concept?