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Thanks I appreciate that. It's going to take weeks or months.

Done. Sorry. I usually resist getting sucked into these things. It's not like we're going to convince each other of anything.

Creamware is great!

Sorry Braincell, I apologize for my harsh words. We all have bad times in our family life.

Is an athiest somebody who doesn't believe in god, or religion I don't believe in religion and I wiil believe in god if I could be proven his existence.Well as Oscar Wilde said " there is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about".

Haven't you considered that the very fact that you are alive means that Life's Intelligence is acting within you?

To people who say "prove me" I always say the same thing: "which of those do yoou prefer: your own illusions or the truth?" Because you can't have both! You either try to confirm your own preconceptions of things or to confront and challenge them! To stay in the old habits might seem more comfortable and require less effort, but should anyone stay chained because it takes effort to break the chains?

People are so funny, they say that they are open-minded and yet they don't even TRY for ONE MINUTE to call in the Light of God in their body and be still enough to feel the immediate flow of Love from the Heigts of Creation flooding their bodies and worlds! I challenge any of you to DARE to make this intense call, for a week 3 times a day, and see for yourself the proof that won't make you turn away!

Be at peace

You want people to be so open minded that anything is possible. This would be pure insanity. Just because you have a huge imagination, doesn't mean that your imagination, dreams or hallucinations are real or those of others. What a coincidence that there are no more profits. Some people claim to be modern profits but we know they are lunatics.

My opinion is that religion was born out of mental illness at a time when people were naive enough to buy into it. Hallucinations should never be considered reality. Think with your conscious logical mind and don't buy all this bull people having been dishing out to us. Enough is enough and it has to stop. If some sick person walks up to me and claims he is god am I to be "open minded" about it as you suggest? Earth to eliam, earth to eliam, Do you read me? Come back to reality eliam.

Why am I not surprised by your reaction? I have no other motives that helping my brothers and sisters to realize their potential and climb out of their self-inflicted misery, while doing so myself.

Braincell, we've had those discussions before, you have a right to your beliefs -which I respect- and I have no point in arguing with such nonsense as the one you regurgitate all around. It is clear that you have emotional issues to resolve before you can consciously seek your True Divine Identity and walk the Path, but at the same time not matter how deep in darkness one is stuck is no reason not to walk back toward the Light of Love and Divine Compassion! Without it there is no relief, no hope, no peace, and we wouldn't be here discussing this today! I have no pretention in saying that one day you'll remember my words and they will begin making sense, for I was in a similar mental prison as you a few years back. I understand you more than you think!

All I can say is that I wish you the best Life has to offer and I have good feelings for you! I don't expect you to agree with me and frankly your stubborness repels me, I made my point and I won't post here again unless there is a true desire for constructive discussion.

eliam wrote:Haven't you considered that the very fact that you are alive means that Life's Intelligence is acting within you?

Yup, I think this Life Intelligence enlarged my prostate.

Eliam, you have a positive outlook unlike some other people but have you considered that what is so obvious to you is totally lacking an iota of proof?

Yes, absolutely! If someone would have told me what I'm telling you 12 years ago I probably would have had a similar reaction, -thinking they smoked transgenic weed or something- that's why I can relate to those who call themselves 'atheists'. And that's also why I encourage people to make the call, sincerely, and receive for themselves all the proof they need to have to make up their own minds. My proofs are worthless for others, because each one has to experiment this Inner Cosmic Connection and feel the Powersurge of Love electrify their whole being!

This is quite simple in fact, the basic thing being that we are beings of free will and the Powers of Light will not pull us by the hair to convince us of anything. As good friends, They wait patiently for an opening from our side of life but will never crash through the door!

Take this example: let's say that someone has acquired some extraordinary skills in a certain discipline, and for some other people it is simply inconceivable that such thing can possibly be done in the universe. What if that person was you and someone would come to you in an antagonistic attitude and say: "You have no proof that such thing is possible, you are a liar using other's credulity, making them believe pure illusions!"

What would you do? Would you get all cranked up and go and fight to "proove" that you can do what you can do? I don't think so.

You see, this is one problem with asking for proof, for Life and God and the Forces of Light have nothing to prove, they keep us alive and run the universe every day since its creation! The "proper" attitude is humbleness and the idea that we have to prove it to ourselves and not the other way around!

So, my question stands: which do you prefer: the truth, or your own illusions and preconceptions?

So Basically what your saying Eliam is You've got to look inside yourself to find God,and anyone who doesn't do that has no spirituality.Whether or not they have actually done any good in there lives, and even if they have, God is still responsable for it,and the individual takes no merit.Errrrrr...No.
With regards to " Illusions and preconceptions ", Everything that I have done in the world can be seen, just like on a piece of paper.Everything that you believe, or consider to be true is in your mind, and no matter how hard you try you can't make it real, all you are is in your acts, and I personnally don't need a religion or a God to validate or approbate what Good I've done.
All religion has done is to ride on the back of people who are fundamentally good.

Eliam wrote:
"Take this example: let's say that someone has acquired some extraordinary skills"

No.... that is a bad example because people can do some amazing things. You are suggesting this would be a miracle? HAHAHA Come on now you will need a better miracle than that to convince me. I think and please don't take this the wrong way, that you have fooled yourself into thinking magic is real.

braincell- I don't necessarily mean co-called miracles, just any skill that one could conceive as impossible in his own point of view.

H-rave- of course everyone knows deep in himself the difference between what's constructive ans what's not, and that it is that Divine Sparkle inside who actually knows it. If people would listen to these promptings from the Heart they'd never engage in all kinds of destructive behaviours and there couldn't be any destruction on the planet! This has nothing to do with religion, it is the indivual's relation with their own God-Self, which is one with throughout creation.

Of course everyone has to answer to God for their use or misuse of energy, whether one denies or not does not change that. We and the universe have been made by conscious Entities that operate under a definite Cosmic Law. Only, we've alienated ourselves so intently through so many lifetimes that we almost completely obliterated the True Memory of our own origin! Now, that's living in the greatest lie ever told, thinking that we are our own little god and that we answer to no one, we can do as we please and not pay the price for our misdeeds! But the universe is not run based on mankind's intellectual concepts, or it would be chaos indescribable!

And it has nothing to do with judgement as we know it, this is called the law of cause and effect, or karma. It can be put this way: every cause that you set into motion will one day come back to its point of origin.

I know it seems pretty far-fetched guys! I'm no lunatic, I'm no fanatic! In fact I don't speak about these things very often, I just keep them to myself unless I see it's worth telling, and then I do it with an intent of sharing in a friendly way, not to conquer souls... I think you can feel it in my words, and I apreciate not being thrown rocks at!

All the best!

The reason you are not a lunatic is because most people agree with you. At one point in time, people thought the that the sun rotated around the earth. If you were to disagree, you would have been considered mad. Atheists are just ahead of their time.

How did Consiousness Happen ?

What is Focus ?

What is Awareness ?

How did intelligence happen ?


These are all accidental mutations by nature ?

How did nature start if there was no intelligence to begin with ?

Shouldnt everything we have in our universe already exists in some other form for it to be expressed ?


Why can people think themselves back to health ?


What is SELF ?


What is "inner knowing" ?


How come everytime you share Joy with someone it seems to
multiply ?


What is this Holy Trinity all the marjor religions and spiritual practices
talk about ?


I have so many questions! How come I have so many questions ?

What is creativity ?

What is Love ?

What happens when I bless everybody I walk past in the street ?

Whats syncronisity ?


*yawn*

I think the Urantia book uses 5 chapters to give you a definition of God. Most
of you are bunch of ignorant fools. I know I am


Empty your cups people. Let go, Let Flow, and the miricals will Show

Harmany wrote:
I have so many questions! How come I have so many questions ?

You don't like to read and learn.

Harmany wrote:
What happens when I bless everybody I walk past in the street ?

You get tired.

You have questions because you are human. You have answers to every question because you have been duped.

BingoTheClowno wrote:

Harmany wrote:
I have so many questions! How come I have so many questions ?

You don't like to read and learn.

Harmany wrote:
What happens when I bless everybody I walk past in the street ?

You get tired.

Actually I get more energy from it You will be amazed about the control you have over how your energy flows.

You can all belive what you want, and I accept that.. Its good for you. I believe in the Absolute, and the Holy Trinity. The Yin & Yang contracting and expanding, these are the motions of our Nature. Balance them and you get your Holy Grail, Spirit flowing thru without resistance.

But please, go ahead, and resist as much as you want......... I do alot of resisting myself, walk in my circles, have my addictions....

Oh well I hope you all had a great weekend like i did Awakenings Festival yesterday, partied from 10:45 till 00:30 It was wonderfull! Dancing all days, beers, girls... hmmmm..... and you want to tell me there is no God ?

Resist what?