Global Warming

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:35 am

There are many things you as an individual can do.

Global Warming Solutions

http://www.campaignearth.org/entertainment_personas.asp

petal · Post by **petal** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:50 am

Did any of you guys ever watch the documentary: "The End of Suburbia: Oil Depletion and the Collapse of the American Dream" from 2004:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446320/

Interesting movie which does put the solutions on global warming into perspective.

Post by **garyb** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:25 pm

On 2005-11-11 07:59, BingoTheClowno wrote:

the effects of global warming are pretty obvious and are threatening the economic structure in many countries.

i agree, there's something up with the weather. i disagree with the assessment of what it is.

my grandfather was a high-ranking chemist who did a study of air pollution in los angeles. it's a well accepted fact that automobiles are the real problem here. what he found was that the autos were a factor, obviously, but that industrial pollution(the kind that can't be fixed because of power structure)was the chief problem. the interest in his study immediately faded and the study was quickly unfunded.

global warming is not what they say it is(no matter how many people agree), and peak oil is B.S.. (petroleum use DOES need to stop or slow down significantly for lots of reasons....)

petal · Post by **petal** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:05 am

On 2005-11-11 15:25, garyb wrote:
global warming is not what they say it is(no matter how many people agree), and peak oil is B.S.. (petroleum use DOES need to stop or slow down significantly for lots of reasons....)

OK, what is global warming then? Some people believe that it is just a part of a natural cycle - Do you have a different theory?

And what about peak oil - why is it BS? Don't you think that our consumption of oil will eventually lead to it's depletion? Which begs the question, when will this be? Which again begs the question, how will this affect our way of living? etc.

To me these are all sound questions, but if you have eye-opening knowledge on the subject please let us know - I'm curious

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Post by **garyb** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:37 am

do a search for abiotic oil. oil is a function of the earth not life. many wells have mysteruiously refilled. the oil companies' own documents show a glut of oil and the need to shut down refineries to keep prices up. this stuff is not secret, but it's a little bit hidden. it shows up in regular news reports from time to time.

as to global warming, my older post already gave a hint about at least a part of the weather wackinesss. not wanting to believe it won't change the truth......

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:52 am

earth climate is a delicate thing

here's a short excerpt from a dating from 1987 (or so)

(4) Presently consisting of 99% rock and scree, the Tibetan surface reflects only 15-20% of the high subtropical radiation coming from space. This results in a global heating effect of the atmosphere. Covering 97% of Tibet and reflecting 85-90% of the radiation, inland ice achieved a global cooling effect that is four times greater than at the latitudes of Nordic inland ice.

here's the <a href=http://www.geogr.uni-goettingen.de/hg/k ... details</a> (ok, not exactly entertaining...]

according to this hypthesis the uplift of Tibet (up to 3000m) 8 million years ago was responsible for a massive loss of energy, because new glaciers reflected light back into space.
This is supposed to have started the sequence of ice ages and warming periods we experience since then.

Now have a look at the corresponding <a href=http://www.geogr.uni-goettingen.de/hg/k ... htm>map</a> (or any photo showing the earth from above) to see how tiny this spot in reality is.

The hypthesis is absolutely reasonable.
It's not the point if it's related to global warming (or even if THAT was the source of an iceage).
It could have been - potentially - and THIS shows how sensible the climate system is. No more - no less.

cheers, tom

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Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:17 am

Commercial interests.
Conservative mindedness of lot of people become too limp and laziness to consider changing his lifestyle.

Theories based on incredible number of variables can easily be influenced.

Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:33 am

On 2005-11-13 09:17, Cochise wrote:

Conservative mindedness of lot of people become too limp and laziness to consider changing his lifestyle.

Who's not limp uses machines avoiding him every strain, then other machines to train his body.

Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:34 am

Does anyone knows anything about effects of gulf stream changes upon the Antarctic CH4 layers?

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Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:35 am

On 2005-11-13 09:17, Cochise wrote:
Commercial interests.
Conservative mindedness of lot of people become too limp and laziness to consider changing his lifestyle.

Theories based on incredible number of variables can easily be influenced.

by fear as well

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:12 am

On 2005-11-13 09:34, Cochise wrote:
Does anyone knows anything about effects of gulf stream changes upon the Antarctic CH4 layers?

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Basically, the weather patterns from the South are shifting North. What this has shown is that mosquitoes now are thriving at higher latitudes. This has also dramatically impacted (negatively) caribou heards, dramaticaly decreasing their numbers (I've seen that in a documentary).

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Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:47 am

That shifting could has very disastrous consequences, according to a theory I've heard or read somewhere (maybe a National Geographic magazine, but it's hard to find the right one for now).
I don't remember the exact working, but enormous masses of methane (a greenhouse gas as well) detained under the sea floor by streams or temperature effect, could be released in the atmosphere.

On 2005-11-08 07:05, BingoTheClowno wrote:

Yes, look here:

http://www.climatehotmap.org/

I'm looking for any related Nasa World Wind addon, but can't find yet.

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:31 pm

On 2005-11-14 08:47, Cochise wrote:
...I don't remember the exact working, but enormous masses of methane (a greenhouse gas as well) detained under the sea floor by streams or temperature effect, could be released in the atmosphere...

yes, greenhouse gas as well, 20 times more effective than carbon dioxide...

yet those amounts under the seafloor are not assumed to be significant for atmospheric methan, because enormous amounts of certain microbes use it as an energy source.
The process is only understood since 2003 and is considered a major factor of the oxygen content of the sea
(„A conspicuous nickel protein in microbial mats that oxidise methane anaerobically” is the title of the original work)

on the other hand there are frequent breakoffs at the continental shelfs that move methan ice into water where it melts.
On the sea surface this (sometimes) looks like an ovesized whirlpool - but it's no fun at all.

A ship which entered such an area would simply sink within a second, it would literally fall to the ground of the ocean as the gas/water mixture doesn't provide the regular upstream force that makes the ship swim

those Bermuda Triangle stories seem no fairy tales at all...

Methan is also a main component of heating gas delivered by pipelines (with a significant amount of leakage) and originates from rotten garbage (2 human contributions) and swamps or similiar areas (as a natural process).

cheers, tom

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:12 pm

Methane catastrophes have occurred several times in Earth's history, and when they have occurred, they have sometimes caused abrupt changes in the history of life, and at least one significant extinction. That extinction, at the end of the Permian Period 250 million years ago, is the greatest in the history of life. More than 90% of the then-existing species perished, and the course of life on Earth was altered forever.

If a methane catastrophe were to happen in the near future, it is likely that not only would a considerable percentage of existing plants and animals be killed off, but a large percentage of the human population as well, as a result of the climate change and significantly more hostile environmental conditions. Yet we are heading toward such a catastrophe. It will happen because we continue to warm the planet by our burning of carbon fuels, and particularly fossil fuels. It is against the background of global warming that a methane catastrophe will take place.

A methane catastrophe consists of a sudden and massive release of methane from ocean bottom muds within a short period of time. At present, most of this methane is trapped in ice in seafloor sediments; the rest is free methane gas trapped below the methane ice. (Some additional methane in ice may be found in permanently frozen ground, called permafrost, in polar regions.) As we continue to warm the planet by dumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, this methane will inevitably be released. It will be released just as surely as global warming is now releasing great quantities of melt water from glaciers, polar sea ice, and the continental ice caps of Greenland and Antarctica.

http://www.killerinourmidst.com/

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:32 pm

Tropical Storm Zeta

Odd!

Zeta is the sixth letter of the Greek alphabet, which forecasters turned to after they used up — for the first time — their list of 21 proper names for storms. The record for tropical storms and hurricanes in a season had been 21, set in 1933 before such storms were regularly named.

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BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:11 pm

On 2005-12-30 12:49, stardust wrote:
after Z there is a again

Not on Planet Z!

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:33 am

Japan's new snow fall record: 3 meter high!

from Yahoo

Post by **garyb** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:20 am

it is foolish to believe lots of things including that the weather patterns will never change.

next they'll be trying to tell us that oil comes from dinosaurs(even though that's obviously stupid and that all evidence points to abiotic creation of petroleum, the purest stuff has zero biological markers in it, the oil companies call biological matter "contamination"....) and that it's in short supply. mark my words. this is part of the global police state build-up, just an excuse, not that a government can really help you in the case of permanently bad weather or finding your city under water.....

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:25 pm

On 2006-01-09 10:20, garyb wrote:
it is foolish to believe lots of things including that the weather patterns will never change.

Well apparently the Japanese did (believe the weather will never change this drastically), otherwise they would have built houses that would be able to support the weight of 3 feet of snow!

Correction: 3 meters = 10 feet of snow!

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Post by **garyb** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:07 pm

there are no fossil fuels. oil is abiotic. it is made in the ground out of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, the most common elements available. when oil runs out, the earth will be gone.

that said, it's really not a good idea to use it as the primary energy source. it is NOT running out, in fact, however. many wells thought dry have refilled. that's why the oil companies have spent so much time buying independant refineries and shutting them down, to create artificial scarcity. don't believe me? do some research on abiotic petroleum. gasoline is about 30cents a gallon in venuzuela, why? hugo chavez is a rebel. venuzuela offered the us as much oil as needed at cost(because they have so much of it!) after hurricaine katrina wrecked key us refineries. this aid was refused by the bush administration(full of oilmen!) because it would bring down the price of oil mightily.....

there is a GLUT of oil. there's so much that the oil companies are worried about keeping profits up, even though they are currently making profits at levels previously unseen by man.....

global warming is the same. the weather IS changing. weather patterns change periodically and 100 years is NOTHING statistically. how about the earth's axis point changing? THERE'S a real thing to cause weather changes! it's not the reason they tell us. united nations agenda 21 or any other fascist global "environmental" plan that calls for 80-90% human population "reduction"(a eugenisists euphemism for genocide and murder) won't save you.

you want to see technology that can affect weather changes and knock the rotational point out of whack? do some research on "earthquake causing weapons" and this:
http://www.crystalinks.com/haarp.html

whether or not you believe this stuff doesn't change what's true.