What do we want from Creamware?

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:31 am

On 2005-06-22 09:18, youngsta wrote:
OS X support for sure..... and maybe pro tools support also, or waves platinum for scope 4..... (Hope spends eternaly)

The whole Mac thing might well be moot once they switch over to Intel...

Wouldn't the Pro-Tools support depend on Digidesign playing along? I don't think that will happen now that they have acquired m-audio.

I can't see Waves porting over to Scope, too few users to bother. Besides, the wave stuff is waaaay expensive! I couldn't afford it if they did.

R

Man-Machine · Post by **Man-Machine** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:34 am

More synth devices independant from the Scope environment, like the new ASB boxes, or UAD-1 type functionality soundcard/external box, or whatever it takes...

Just me being selfish

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:40 am

Most of all I'd like to see ... an electric piano! After that, a better sampler (easier to use and bug free). And on the synth side, a CS-80 emulation.

I don't know if there's any way for Creamware to fix the problems with MIDI timing and sychronization, to be able to sync a creamware device from Cubase would be really nice. But that may be an OS issue.

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:42 am

On 2005-06-22 09:34, Man-Machine wrote:
More synth devices independant from the Scope environment, like the new ASB boxes, or UAD-1 type functionality soundcard/external box, or whatever it takes...

Just me being selfish

Is the "ScopeFX" going in the right direction then? Just remove the I/O and package it with all the FX...

R

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:46 am

On 2005-06-22 09:40, Liquid Len wrote:

Most of all I'd like to see ... an electric piano! After that, a better sampler (easier to use and bug free). And on the synth side, a CS-80 emulation.

I'd like both of those. Not just "an" electric piano, all of them in one box!

BTW, I wonder if we will be offered a version of the P5 emulation as a soft synth? I own the real thing, but who knows how many more times it will turn on and function, it's 25 years old...

R

R.D. Olivaw · Post by **R.D. Olivaw** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:54 am

On 2005-06-22 09:27, nprime wrote:
Are you thinking of direct VST support? If not, can you be more specific?

Direct VST support would be great, but probably implies too much code rewriting.
Actually I think it would be a pity if we lose the Scope modular concept through the VST integration. It would be great to insert a whole Scope environment as a multi I/O VST/VSTi in a VST host, without a glitch.

I was thinking about a CW solution without In/Outs (that works great with other manufacturers' drivers) too.

And then, I'll become a real CW big fan!

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:04 am

My picks:

1) Onboard memory, at least 32MB for some samples and convolution stuff;

2) Solid 96khz support; 192khz support could also be nice, but not really that necessary (for me) at this point. 96khz has been working ok for me the times I've messed with it tho.

3) Fixing the few off glitches left in some of the devices (STM losing some sidechain input infos on inserts, that glitch on the delay where you can't chose a longer delay value than like 1/4 when using BPM mode and mouse (apparently works ok if you use CC to control it tho.)

4) STM mixers with more than one MIDI input for full MIDI automation of all parameters (I don't really need that kind of stuff, but some people do, and I admit it would be pretty neat.)

So not that much missing for me =P A portable solution could be nice, but what people don't seem to realize is that it would cost like 3x to 4x the price of just a soundcard (since you need a whole computer to go inside it basically, and a fair bit of engineering/dev to make everything work well and tightly.) I doubt it would make those asking for such a device any happier ("if it's going to go that much, I'll just stick with the soundcards" etc etc after asking for a rackmount portable box for years etc.)

I still don't see the point of using faster DSPs (altho if they're around and not much more expensive and application-compatible with the current ones, might as well go with it), 3 15-DSP boards should be enough for everyone!!! Ok just kidding with that last bit, but I currently have a 15-DSP and 3-DSP boards and have trouble filling them all up, so I have trouble imagining someone not having enough of 45 DSPs (or 42 or whatnot.)

Finally, about that "ability to choose a project to load at startup", you can just save a near-empty project as your startup project (like just wave source -> analog dest, or one of the tiny mixers around,) then it'll load in like 5 seconds-ish (on my p3-1GHz, so I figure it'll load even faster on more recent hardware.) I use j9k's tiny mixer thing (micromix it's called I believe,) and I really don't have to wait for SFP to boot up, it's almost instant.

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:15 am

Personally, I'm alright, thanks CW, couldn't do it without you

okantah · Post by **okantah** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:39 am

I agree 100% with wayne.the CW cards work very perfect,the only problems are ONE must be patience to LEAN to master the use or to be train before ONE get success.
The CW samplers.the effects the synths,they are just great..............................
I want CW to develop if possible a kind of DSP memory chip for the CW cards.even if it's going to cost,I think that's something we all might need.(long life CREAM WARE)
cheers

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:47 pm

BTW, I wonder if we will be offered a version of the P5 emulation as a soft synth? I own the real thing, but who knows how many more times it will turn on and function, it's 25 years old...

R

You should be aware of the two P5 emulations that have been available for the Creamware platform for some time now.
I posted my "Prophet Plus" several years ago, and now CWA also has a 'Profit 5' in their Shop.

cheers,

Post by **garyb** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:25 pm

yeah, a continuation of scope into the next gen computer for sure, backwards compatible if possible, fair upgrade if not.

in the short term, mackie/houston control would be the main change i'd like. full integration would eliminate the main weakness of the scope platform and make it a true threat to systems like pt hd.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:03 pm

a solaris box. i know its difficult, but hey, so was prolly the virus.

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JL · Post by JL » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:24 pm

1.New drivers.
2.Modular3 update.
3.Docking and auto hide for the Livebar.
Those came into my mind.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:41 pm

On 2005-06-22 18:03, piddi wrote:
a solaris box. i know its difficult, but hey, so was prolly the virus.

definetely not

Access earned their first reputation with midi controllers for analog synths, so they already had the knobs when Chr. Kemper started to fiddle with DSP algorithms on a single-chip Motorola prototyping board.
A thing costing about 150 bucks, which later made it to the core of the Virus A - if memory serves...

cheers, Tom

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:01 pm

bah, im always wrong

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:17 am

not exactly - a Solaris box would of course rule - and so much knobs are a challenge indeed

cheers, Tom

cannonball · Post by **cannonball** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:30 am

hi
all what they can do for enhance the performance of scope platform and current cards(drivers,96khz stable) is appreciated
I hope however there will be
a compatibility with the future things.
I like more the mixing SFP concept versus
the synths world, a stereo VDAT with some editing tools inside, some good
eq (pultec api emulation), more high end plug with the quality of vinco, transient designer, optimaster.
The XTC concept can be usefull too.

sym90 · Post by **sym90** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:40 am

I would love to see :

1) USB2 or Firewire option for A16ultra (like promised when it was out at the old creamware company) to be used like a 16 I/O soundcard with a portable system.

2) Firewire box with sharcs (or even better with more powerful DSPs). No need to use it standalone like noah (it could be added in the future perhaps, but not necessary for now... it's enough it can be used with a laptop).

3) New PCI cards with more powerful DSPs, slots for adding RAM memory to the s-tdm busses, more efficient bussing through cards (you could see what digidesign did with tdm-II in hd accel, very good mechanism!) with the option (am i dreaming?

) to add old scope system cascading the newest to it (or convenient upgrades, like digidesign does)!

4) A good software support both in mac (osx too) and in pc (latest technology of drivers and so on)! Optimization of platform, optimization of drivers, optimization of compatibility .

I have the suspect that a couple people more in Creamware company that are very much able to develop software & driver could do the trick! Hardware may be demanded to other hardware component-manufacturers , under good e.engeener's specifications / prototypes (that may be not internal to creamware but paid once for the project & minimal support).

0.02 cent from an experienced Creamware user that LOVES Creamware

. I can't live without Creamware Scope too!!

sYm

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krizrox · Post by **krizrox** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:37 pm

I vote that the guy who started this thread become VP of Marketing at Creamware.

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:58 pm

A full Scope environment as a portable solution, very small and very powerful.

An idea I have expressed in the past but seems the best solution for a product that would dominate the market, is to have an external device with all the dsp power that is common for all the system types, with a superfast proprietary connection with a series of cheaper different interfaces for all the systems, like a pci card to host it at home, a pcmcia card, a firewire connector and so on....

This way I could buy say...1200 € of dsp power in a small box, then I could buy for 100 € each, all the different interfaces I need, like the pci card for home, or a couple of them if I have different desktop machines, plus a pcmcia or a firewire connector for the laptop....

In this way I could have the best possible in portability and in performance at the same time...or at least in the same product.

Not to mention that at this point any new type of interface pci-e, x, or whatever, could be easily added and developed with a very limited industrial investment.
Such a feature would be really great. Who would miss it?