Has Behringer gone quality ?

[RoonSmits]

Example: Would the latency of an O2R also be determined by the amount of FX / plugins, or has Yamaha thought of some sort of standard latency for each channel despite the amount of fx? A highly respected digital desk like the Yammy shouldn't have variable latencies per channel I guess, otherwise you would encounter timing problems in the end.

I mean, suppose you have an EQ and gate on the first two channels, a noisegate on the third and a reverb plus flanger on some other channels, I would expect that processing channels this way has to deliver different latencies, or am I wrong ?

cheers
Ronald

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[splitpoint]

The DDX3216 has been good to me. I've been using it for over a year and it sounds great and is built well. It's miles beyond the 01v that I was using before from a reliability standpoint, featurewise and soundwise.

Al

[astroman]

that's good to know as they currently sell for about 700 Euro (16 xtra Adat channels 170 Euro) in Germany (Thomann)

cheers, Tom

[time_chase]

recently got a BCF2000, what a cool box. perhaps the best midi controller on the market?!? Running it under sx2 with the mackie control emulation, bloody cool as, automated faders, nice!

[at0m]

On 2004-12-13 12:35, RoonSmits wrote:
I mean, suppose you have an EQ and gate on the first two channels, a noisegate on the third and a reverb plus flanger on some other channels, I would expect that processing channels this way has to deliver different latencies

Even a single EQ or filter could cause phasing I imagine: take a LPF, made to counter changes in the signal. Resonance adds more delay, isn't that a feedback loop that, within it's wavelength set by cut-off freq, is fed back to the dry signal? Different types of filters and EQ's (compared the ones in Waves series to each other) function differently and also affect the phase differently. How would it be with analog EQ, let's say on a mixer table?

Other effects, like a phaser, work on delayed signals mixed with the dry. On a phaser, the time is modulated so the interference works on different wavelenghts usually according to an LFO.

Luckily, the samples delays on our system are not LFO modulated We get a fixed phase offset, audible esp. on high freq's. As garyb says also analog mixers have the problem, we are lucky we have the tools to compensate for it. The best you can do to avoid phasing IMO is trying to keep everything where it sits on DSP, adjust cross fingers it doesn't move around and shift a sample in time, and adjust for it, track by track where needed. Each time the dsp are reloaded, like changing routing or adding plugins, there's a chance it shifts again.