WinXP upgrade disaster

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon May 17, 2004 12:05 pm

What I would do is also disable the parallel, serial and any other devices that you don't need in the BIOS. This way you will free 2 or 3 IRQs.
When running the new install, press F5 or F6 to select the new standard kernel instead of ACPI one. Yes, it's good to take all cards out (not only Creamware's but all of them).
Then, after the installation of XP, install the service packs, DirectX upgrade.
Lastly backup (image the drive) that new XP state so you can go back at this stage

The new XP install will ask you if you want to format the drive, you don't have to do it from a dos prompt.

[ This Message was edited by: BingoTheClowno on 2004-05-17 13:08 ]

caleb · Post by **caleb** » Wed May 19, 2004 7:44 am

Well the bad news is that it didn't work.

I'll have to go back to 98SE.

Plato · Post by **Plato** » Wed May 19, 2004 9:59 am

What's your system.....any modern(ish) set-up should handle it.....seems a shame to go back to the dark ages.

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Wed May 19, 2004 11:38 am

Caleb, what didn't work, what errors did you encounter, what did you do, when did the error happen?

"Didn't work" is a little bit too vague

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Wed May 19, 2004 12:35 pm

On 2004-05-19 08:44, caleb wrote:

Well the bad news is that it didn't work.

I'll have to go back to 98SE.

I'm sorry man... but I think there is something you are doing wrong there... there are many, many of us using XP with extremely good results like myself, there is no reason why it shoudn't work for you... I hope you can solve your problem anyway...

Plato · Post by **Plato** » Wed May 19, 2004 12:48 pm

the error you're getting comes up when the drivers aren't installed.....I wonder if Scope has been trying to start a default project, at which point you'll get the error 'hardware version x detected', but then you'd still have to shut SFP down before installing the driver.....
just a stab in the dark.

Post by **garyb** » Wed May 19, 2004 3:59 pm

that's what i think too.

xp works great.

caleb · Post by **caleb** » Wed May 19, 2004 5:35 pm

On 2004-05-19 13:48, Plato wrote:
the error you're getting comes up when the drivers aren't installed.....I wonder if Scope has been trying to start a default project, at which point you'll get the error 'hardware version x detected', but then you'd still have to shut SFP down before installing the driver.....
just a stab in the dark.

Unless the drivers that come with the Scope4 package are incorrect...?

To describe exactly when the error comes up depends on how I try to set everything up.

In this case, I install the drivers after the computer is booted up and it finds new hardware - it's the drivers in the Win2K folder of the Scope4 set up.

Then when I run the set up program it gives the errors previously reported which as above seems to indicate that the drivers haven't been installed - or they're the wrong ones - or something.

Post by **garyb** » Wed May 19, 2004 6:19 pm

is that a downloaded copy of 4.0? maybe you should download it again or try a cd.....

Plato · Post by **Plato** » Thu May 20, 2004 8:38 am

or do a manual install, directing windows to 'install hardware from a list'....then use the downloaded driver instead of the one windows is going for automatically.
I'd try to completely uninstall the Scope driver first too.

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Thu May 20, 2004 9:37 am

Caleb, if you look in your Device Manager at your CW driver properties, what version number does it display?
I agree with Plato, just do a manual install or update the driver manualy, and force it to get the right driver.

caleb · Post by **caleb** » Thu May 20, 2004 6:26 pm

So far, I've done all the things suggested and nothing has helped.

However, I'm going to try one more time to upgrade from Win98.

I will reinstall Win98 and check that my cards still work.

Then I will install Scope 4 to make sure that it works.

Then I will upgrade to WinXP and see what happens.

The driver version I have for my Creamware cards is - 1.50.10 with date 7/5/2002. I have selected from the Scope 4 driver location manually and even from a back-up of SFP 3.1's drivers with the same result.

Before I upgrade to Scope 4 I will download it again just in case.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Thu May 20, 2004 9:38 pm

I don't think you are ever going to get good results upgrading from 98.

If you have an older motherboard, turn P+P OS to "no" in the bios, and install in standard PC mode (hit F5 during the 'windows is inspecting your hardware configuration' message during the very start of the XP install). It should be a total breeze to format a drive inside the XP installer.. just make sure you read every screen thoroughly.

roy thinnes · Post by **roy thinnes** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:48 am

Hi Caleb!
I'm in almost the same situation as you (but it is not a real deseaster in my case cause I have two working win98SE partitions as well).I've got exactly the same error messages (Hardare version 30 detected blabla...) as you described.So what I did first was to deactivate Plug'n'Play in BIOS.The WinXP system works now, including SFP, flawlessly but my MOTUMidiExpress needs P'n'P so this is not an ideal situation at all.But maybe this a first clue what's wrong with my (maybe our) WinXP machine.Any ideas of our techheads here?
Oh,the system:
Asus CSL2,Pentium800EB,512MB.
WinXP installed in standard PC mode.
-I like XP because it's faster and smoother but I love good old easy Win98SE;Maybe my machine is too old but the problem is I don't really need 1000s of Gigahertz.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:20 am

A question: how big is your hard drive, and what file system are you formatting as? FAT32 only goes up to 32GB, so MAKE SURE YOU ARE FORMATTING AS NTFS!!!

It *is* possible to format as FAT32, but I had all kinds of problems when I did so! So use NTFS.

Shayne

roy thinnes · Post by **roy thinnes** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:22 am

hi Shayne,
-(three) HDs
- NTFS formatted
so I think it is of no use talking about the file system.
Don't know but I suspect it is this plug'n'play thingy ( which,I repeat, works on 98SE).
I have both Pulsar I + II cards on IR 9.XP doesn't complain about it, but SFP won't start if P'n'P is on in BIOS.
Cheers

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valis · Post by **valis** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:58 pm

Disabling P'nP in the BIOS and then hitting F5 during setup is to force WinXP installer to install as STANDARD mode (rather than ACPI mode).

Once Xp is installed and SFP is up and running you should be able to re-enable PnP in your BIOS so that your usb devices will automatically install their drivers.

Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

roy thinnes · Post by **roy thinnes** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 6:53 pm

This is exactly what I did but after re-enabling PnP Xp hangs before the "welcome" screen.Stupid question:are there *any* CW users who have (nowadays) oldscool CUSL2 as mobo and WinXP running? As I mentioned before, maybe it's the outdated(?) PnP and/or PCI structure of CUSL2.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:07 pm

I used to run CUSL2-C and XP with no problems.
I think it was the recommended board for using with CWA cards at the time and many people here used/use it I think.
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Micha · Post by **Micha** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:41 am

still running both 98SE+XP with CUSL2-C. XP never had probs with USB, 98 needs patch Q240075.