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I think so too (4 bars). But I am Danish.

Would the upload be as lots of small individual files to the music section of the forum, or is there another way?

John?

Royston

On 2003-10-20 10:32, dehuszar wrote:
Besides, if you want to keep it in XTC mode, those with out might want to request wavs of the sounds (weren't they supposed to be in wav format anyway? I assume the final tracks will be in MP3 and not a back up of the entire track directory, yes?).

Sam

Yes, the idea is to use files in Wav format.

And yes, of course, the final work must be in MP3 format, at 128 as usual. This has become astardard in the Z anyway.

On 2003-10-20 10:39, Counterparts wrote:
Given that we'll be downloading a bunch of wav files and mixing them together...I don't really see what the difference is between using e.g. the SFP compressor or low-cut filter in XTC-mode or in the SFP environment.

Isn't the object to come up with a tune?

Royston

Nor really... the matter is to get to know XTC, which most of us don't, in case we do it in XTC, if the mayority ask for it. It is a differnet procedure if you think. Procedures are important too, cos they force you to think differently, and so the outcome is different too.

It's nearly knocking off time for me, so I am going to try to summarise (then grab a beer!)

Up to 5 wavs each, 1 being perc.
4 bars each wav[1]
In Dm [2]
160 bars of music in finished tune
Any musical style!
Any instruments/sound(s)!

[1] - note that there's nothing stopping anyone having a silent bar, or a lead into one, two or three bars...

[2] - perhaps closely related chords too?

Royston

Nice evening, all.

• 130 BPM makes a strange result with a 6 second clip.
• the cook can also choose to cut the downloaded clips if he prefers to.
• Are we going to focus on the technical part and possible learning (xtc-limitation), or are we going for the most interesting music with fewer limitations (xtc and/or sfp - only it has to be done with our 60MHz sharcs), or are we going for music unlimited (vst, directx, outboard ... whatever).
• Are we going to make a 5 minutes tune with absolutely no chord progressions? Here we can go for "one chord fits all", anything made up from the white keys (easyest for the "no-theory" people) or are we going for totaly free tonality? I suggest we stick to "the white keys", but then maybe say only one chord per clip? Anyway, if we go for having the ossibility to make different chords, then the clips should be named something like this: nestor1_cmayor.wav and atomic2_dminor.wav.

Yes, 130 makes it odd, so we can go, as suggested before, doing 3 bars.

* Yes, that's important to give the freedom to cut all those files as we need them to be for our songs.

* I think that the interesting thing here is to use our own platform, exploring it deeply. It is still to decied by the mayority if we go XTC or SFP. I would not like using VST plug'ins or other program plug ins. Nevertheless, if somebody preffers to do the final edditing in Cool, or WaveLab, etc., this is fine, but without using additional FXs other than those from Pulsar.

* I think that it is just fine, and less complicated to keep in D minor, but without restrictions in how you process your chords. If somebody for instance, wants to do some blue-notes in between, this is fine. Lets give everybody the freedom, this way we are going to come up with something reacher in posibilities.

Lets keep the ideas comming, so everybody feels indentified with the project.

maybe one can post as many files as he likes?

Yes, that could be nice, but we must restrict the number of files to something managable, cos too many files would just be useless.

shall we say 160 bars? That squares things up quite nicely.

I think we should be able to upload more than 2 bars of music + 1 bar of perc too...there might not be enough material otherwise. Perhaps a limit of 5 wavs each, one being perc?

e.g.

guitar_counterparts.wav
lead_synth_counterparts.wav
bass_counterparts.wav
fx_noise_counterparts.wav
&
perc_counterparts.wav

?

Note the lack of:

vocals_counterparts.wav

Royston

I think those are very good ideas yes...

On 2003-10-20 11:55, Counterparts wrote:
Would the upload be as lots of small individual files to the music section of the forum, or is there another way?

John?

Royston

No, that would be very heavy for the Z and we would put a mess up... we need an FTP web space to be offered by one of us. I remember Ken had some space a the univerity, perhaps something like that if posible is.

Let's keep thinking the way we are doing now, for a few more days... Search for ideas, give your oppinion about it, offer different posibilities, etc.

We have to come up with an agreement about the procedure and everything else for next Thursday.

Ae all have the time to speculate trying different ideas, but in Thuersday we must agree something.

I can provide 200MB of ftp storage.

/dave

Doing lots of samples would be great if we also want to build a library! So if we do more than 3, it's great too.

I just wanted to ask for 3 samples cos you would hardly use more than 3 per poster, cos with just 20 posters you would get 60 little files... You normaly don't need as meny as that to build a song.

How many samples would you like to as so?

What do you thing of 10 each.

Doing lots of samples would be great if we also want to build a library! So if we do more than 3, it's great too.

I just wanted to ask for 3 samples cos you would hardly use more than 3 per poster, cos with just 20 posters you would get 60 little files... You normaly don't need as meny as that to build a song.

How many samples would you like to as so?

What do you thing of 10 each.

why not to compress the wave with wavezip?
http://www.5star-shareware.com/Music/WA ... vezip.html

"WaveZIP is an audio compression program that's purpose-built to reduce the size of large digital audio WAV files.

Unlike MP3 and other compression techniques, WaveZIP is designed to pack files without changing a single-bit of audio data. If you're using your PC for music recording, you'll immediately notice the huge size of your WAV files. These files are probably bigger than any other files on your PC and they can eat up lots of hard disk space. WaveZIP is a fast and easy solution to this problem, it also allows you to quickly find, select and convert your files.

Features include the ability to: Reduce file sizes with loss-free compression and expansion with typical compression rates of 30-60% depending on content. Easy-to-use Explorer-like navigation to select files, Drag and drop files from Windows Explorer, Multiple PC file types supported WAV files: Stereo or mono, 16 bit or 8 bit, 24-bit with upgrade ACD files from Sonic Foundry, ACID software, Cakewalk BUN files."

Very frosty this morning!! Brrr...

Regarding the use of XTC...are we to use this both when creating the wav files and also when creating the mix?

We haven't mentioned the format of the wav files themselves yet! There's a thing...

16bit, 44.1 OK? Either Stereo or Mono. (No 'verb)

What about the use of mastering tools..? Maybe just use the standard SFP package?

Royston

ya, nestor, I'd like to offer my space.. problem is I don't have anything set up where people can use something like a website to manage their files. (upload, delete, update, etc..) And plus it's shared space so I can't really make the calls.

So it might be better if someone offered some real personal space.

Also I vote for not going XTC.. I don't really have the time right now to be setting it up and risk jeopardizing my system. But I think others who can do so are more than welcome to try XTC.

So it might be better if someone offered some real personal space.

i have infinite web space on my site, but i'm not able to create a form to upload/download/manage the files (and i don't want to give away my FTP pass! )
so, if someone prepare a sort of webpage wiht some script i'll upload it and we will test if it works...
contact at
matteo (at) alchemystudio DOT it
anyway, i'd prefer a sort of lossless compression on the wav files... (or mp3 328kbs encoding?)

dbmac has offered 200MB of FTP storage...

Royston

On 2003-10-21 03:58, Counterparts wrote:
Very frosty this morning!! Brrr...

(ya, woke up this morning and saw SNOW!
0 degrees celsius.
i'm swedish, used to ski, play hockey etc but never considered myself a winter person. brrhrhrhr.)

i think Nestor has a good point in a "number of files" limit.
i want to be able to listen to ALL files available to me. i actually don't think anyone will take the time to listen to and evaluate some 2-300 files.

I have just recieved permission from my webmaster, to use up to 500 MB of webspace for the period the contest will be running. The connection is a 6Mbit DL and 3Mbit UL for me, so it should be fast enough.
I will be setting up an FTP-account, which we all use the same password to access through an ftp-program, unless someone else have the time and expertice to create some kind of webpage which is more userfriendly, that I can upload.

But I see that several others have allready opened their webhome for this contest - never the less the offer still stands.

Cheers!
Thomas