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oil in not just gasoline and autos. it is plastic and clothing and fertilizer and pesticides and medicine and electricity and heat. look for real troubles death and war......

Plastics are the waste of petrol, that's why it comes in such large amounts so cheaply

Bitum also, the stuff asphalt is made of...

today I got the information that you can supply all the energy needs of the todays world by creating a field of 700*700 quadrat km in the Sahara.
Technically spoken...
That's only a very small part of the Sahara...

A reseach firm in Holland devellopped a technique which implies a very thin film of sun energy collectors, more than 300 times thinner than previous ones.
Untill now sun panels need a solid base to put the collectors on, like glass.

This makes application of sun panels relatively expensive, as you need firm constructions for the panels, roofs need extra affirmation, etc.
Now panels aren't needed at all, you just roll some meters off the roll, and put or glue it where you need it

They allready devellopped a coat with those collectors on it, handy to upload the mobile's batteries, your labtop and your iPod at night

So planet earth will make it, at the and, but there will be much environment and social damage before the world's oil mafia will give up the power.
It's easier to rule the world and to keep the power with oil rather than with sun collectors.
Everybody can make them, and everybody can put them on the roof or in the field.

The real price of oil should be the price of 'recyclable' energy, beeing the price of the current price sun energy collector technique.

Today already it are the oil companies who (co-)finance the new techniques.
At least this is better than a World War III, I'm afraid.

What will happen in the oil countries like Arabia when the marionette sheiks are going to loose the fundament of their power, I don't even wannne think of it.

Interesting times, the predicted scenario of increasing oil prices is already going.
And China and India are storming the world, so it get's bussy outside...

off topic?
what off topic?





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I see hydrogen cells for cars and mobile power needs, and fusion power for main power grids. Fusion might come on line in maybe 20 - 30 years. Just about right.

But then I'm an optimist. I don't see any crisis or looming doomsday scenarios.

don't worry. there are plans to thin the "bad seeds" out of the herd. then, all can enjoy the glorius future.

Do you mean 80% bad seeds?

Also the moment for them to do all this will be near the end of the oil age I think.
Because they need that same 80%'s money first. So I guess for now that oil is our life insurance. Did I say our ? I meant that 80% bad seeds

I was looking for another one, but I found that one (what you find is mostly better ).
thanks

a proton smiley, circled by a single electron... hydrogen
hopefully meant in musical context...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ap ... arning.htm


Another clue

http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/april20 ... placed.htm

And another. WTF! i'd say ;(

On 2005-04-09 18:27, Casper wrote:
http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/april20 ... placed.htm

And another. WTF! i'd say ;(

I have no doubt that there are a lot of forces that manipulate our media and culture without informing us. But whether this particular website is illuminating in that regard is another thing. What in your opinion constitutes a reliable (objective ) source? Why do you feel this one is?

On 2005-04-09 11:06, astroman wrote:
a proton smiley, circled by a single electron... hydrogen
hopefully meant in musical context...

even not in musical context...
thought it was nicely showing the perspective, when speaking about our planet in the context of Mother Earth

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On 2005-04-09 19:05, Liquid Len wrote:

On 2005-04-09 18:27, Casper wrote:
http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/april20 ... placed.htm

And another. WTF! i'd say ;(

I have no doubt that there are a lot of forces that manipulate our media and culture without informing us. But whether this particular website is illuminating in that regard is another thing. What in your opinion constitutes a reliable (objective ) source? Why do you feel this one is?

well, only because alex jones backs up his assertations with mainstream references, indexed on his site. he is a well known(if slighly kooky) journalist. his sites may not tell the whole story, but they are definitely PART of the whole story.....i'll bet you didn't bother to watch the movie on the link i posted. there is a preponderence of evidence showing official complicity, even to the point that the taliban and hamas and other "terrorist" organizations recieve american training and funding. there are plenty of photos of rumsfeld shaking sadaam's hand the day that hundreds of barrels of biological agents were being unloaded at the baghdad airport(rumsfeld sez he "didn't recall the event exactly"). even bin laden was a u.s. military contractor who built the tora bora cave facilities with u.s. money...

there's really no point in arguing about it though. these guys will do what they want regardless of what anyone thinks...

On 2005-04-09 22:40, garyb wrote:

well, only because alex jones backs up his assertations with mainstream references, indexed on his site. he is a well known(if slighly kooky) journalist. his sites may not

Fair enough. I asked because I figured I could maybe learn something, or at least have something to think about, by whatever answers I got.

definitely PART of the whole story.....i'll bet you didn't bother to watch the movie on the link i posted. there is a preponderence of evidence showing official complicity,
even to the point that the taliban and hamas and other "terrorist" organizations recieve american training and funding. there are

Not big on movies over the Net, the computer I browse with doesn't have its soundcard permanently hooked up. (I don't browse on my music computer at all, it's a PITA to clean up the spyware etc) I don't mind reading news stories anyways. As for the official complicity stuff, I agree, it's how the world is run. It's hard to know whose version to trust a lot of time. And I don't necessarily think there's just one set of people controlling everything, but a number of powerful people who are trying to out-manipulate each other. Were the crowd that helped put and keep the Taliban in place the exact same people that profitted from the war in Iraq?

yes, through pakistani intelligence.
your assertations are (obviously) not that far from the mark. there is one system in place that regulates humananity and there is much jockeying for position...

you can download the movie for free(most of his movies are for sale) and watch it at your leisure. it's long....

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Liquid Len , objectiveness is a tricky thing.
That website is only one of many many others that all show alot of things concerning 911.

I don't believe that everything they tell on these sites is true. But it can't all be wrong also. So I think the best thing one could do (if interested at all) is take your time and read and view the stuff that is being presented here. And then make up your mind about what has been told in the first place.

Please do not think we are anti American!
We just see something happening that should not be happening. We try to warn others because the media isn't. Don't hate America, but love and care for it's future!

The only thing that realy discusts me is the Secret Society " Scull & Bones" ! And more important , there f...ing plans! Because that is what we are fighting here.

greatings,

Casper

Please do not think we are anti American!
We just see something happening that should not be happening. We try to warn others because the media isn't. Don't hate America, but love and care for it's future!

Haha, anti-american. That term is as good an example of brainwashing as you can get. If you were opposed to Hitler, you were branded anti-german. If you were opposed to Stalin, you were anti-soviet. I'm astounded and saddened to see such language used today, don't people realize what they're saying? If someone is opposed to Berlusconi, does it mean they are anti-Italian and have some deep rooted hatred of Italians and desire to thwart them in every turn? The real 'antiamericans' are the ones who use this term to bully and shout down people who contradict them.

Well, I'll just drop the "anti" w.e. point.
I think you were right on that.

But I'm missing your point on the though parts of what is beeing pointed out here.

In the mean while , I will be smoking this big fat joint!

peace!

On 2005-04-10 09:18, Casper wrote:
Well, I'll just drop the "anti" w.e. point.
I think you were right on that.

But I'm missing your point on the though parts of what is beeing pointed out here.

In the mean while , I will be smoking this big fat joint!

peace!

Oh, there was no point, just me rambling. I agree with a lot of what is said on the thread, much of what you say about what really drives world events is in my opinion closer to the truth than the official version of things.

Peace!


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