Sonic Timeworks : Classic Plate released

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:33 am

Warp, I have sent you a Private Message on the matter.

Sam

EddieK · Post by **EddieK** » Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:59 pm

Hey Warp...
I also love your stuff...and all the ST stuff. The problem as I see it is CW has never had a truly stable platform that's easy to set up and use. So, all the pros have abandoned it...except for a few diehards like me. That means ther are few users with cash. I hope you continue, and especially finish the Ambience verb.

MOFO · Post by **MOFO** » Fri Aug 13, 2004 10:31 pm

They need to release new hardware with lots of DSP power and memory. Then you will see the sales come back.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 6:20 am

On 2004-08-13 13:59, EddieK wrote:
...The problem as I see it is CW has never had a truly stable platform that's easy to set up and use. So, all the pros have abandoned it...

you have a point here - and it possibly would have paid off to put more resources in the Mac part of SFP in the EARLY days of Scope developement.
Admittedly there's the dilemma with virtually non-existent PROFESSIONAL cross-platform developement tools - and CW had to make a choice.

On the other hand I have few problems on a Win98 machine, which I also use for internet and database developing simultaneously.

I'm aware that this OS is a technological piece of crap, but I expect nothing else than boot up and save a couple of files from it. I have no Cubase, Logic, obscure VSTI and ware* stuff and I don't follow frequent chipset changes to squeeze a few % of imaginary performance out of the system -etc.
Maybe the source of trouble is beyond CWA's own influence ? And of course a company of that size can hardly keep up with the trouble the 'big' guys are causing

It IS against industry suggestions (and marketing pressure) to keep a system over a long period, but be assured that I see the benefit of this 'contra attitude' in my dayly work with Macs constantly.

People do have success with keeping their environment 'as has been approoved' - and all those studio reports in the mags frequently feature rather outdated Macs as their main tools.
The hype of the latest and greatest is the key to unproductivity...

cheers, Tom

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:24 pm

I think this stuff about the pros abandoning CW because of stability issues is crap. There are plenty of pro audio websites like this one that are full of complaints about software / hardware instability. CW's problem was and is marketing. The product is the most stable computer-based product I have in my studio.

But really I just wanted to post here to let you all know that you convinced me. I just ordered:

STW P-100 reverb
Wolf Audio Matrix Delay
Celmo Pultecator

I will from hereon in treat 3rd party CW plugs with the respect they deserve. Thanks for bringing them to my attention.

FWIW, I always thought (and for a long time I was mostly right) that 3rd party CW plugs were all synth-oriented. I've already got far more synth gear and plugs than I'll ever use. What I need are standard mixing tools, and now that you all have opened my eyes I see that they are there for SFP. I just gave up looking years ago.

Here's my advice to all the developers, for whatever it's worth: you should all band together and set up one single "community" site where ALL of the plugins are available for sale through one consistent interface.

The big plus of this for all of you would be: when a customer goes to buy XYZ, s/he sees all kinds of other great plugins that s/he had never heard of before. As things stand, one has to put some serious effort into finding 3rd party SCOPE plugs. But under a single umbrella website, organized into categories by functionality (synths, dynamics, effects, tools, and so on), the impulse shopper might just give y'all an occasional extra sale or two.

(In fact, Wolf's MatrixDelay was an "impulse buy" for me. I went searching all the 3rd party sites in order to see what was available.)

$0.02.

Of course, developing strong ties with folks like Manuel is a great idea. Good on you, Manuel, for shedding some light on the SCOPE platform! Any chance of adding some SCOPE tutorials?

Thanks again all! Cheers,

Johann

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King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:18 am

I agree, but there is already such a "community site" and it's called PlanetZ

...the devices section to be more precise. It's not really an ideal format to present devices in this way though, and CWA should really be mentioning important new 3rd party releases on their own website.
Their site only mentiones six 3rd party developers! (the ones who sell trough CWA's shop) And even then it's tucked away in a hard to find corner of the site.

Maybe the ideal way would be for all (major) 3rd party developers to be included in CWA's own online shop. As you say, if you have it all in one place, customers are far more likely to be introduced to devices they would otherwise have missed.

mano · Post by **mano** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:29 pm

On 2004-08-17 17:24, blazesboylan wrote:

Of course, developing strong ties with folks like Manuel is a great idea. Good on you, Manuel, for shedding some light on the SCOPE platform! Any chance of adding some SCOPE tutorials?

My pleasure

I still love my Pulsar 2 card after years of using it, and am always amazed at the quality of the 3ds party plug-ins when I find some time to try the demos (the other night I played with the Sharc One and vintage eq from sonic timeworks - wonderful!)

I will consider some tutorials, though I am in the middle of finishing up a bunch of AKAI MPC1000 ones (another piece of gear I like very much).

Reviews-wise, I will try to finish up the piles I already have

and I will definitely email a few people in the community to propose to reviews their devices.

Regards

-mano

Rob van Berkel · Post by **Rob van Berkel** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:09 pm

@warp69: congrats! you made it to the CWA homepage

Happy selling! (and yes, I will buy, as soon as the euro's permit me)
Cheers,
Rob

fidox · Post by **fidox** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:24 am

ok, i have bought reverb today and i want to know how long will take to get confirmation e-mail, it's about 3 hours now ?
i can't wait anymore !!!!!

sorry, but i just already want to try this beautifull reverb

but, i can wait....

matej

EddieK · Post by **EddieK** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:33 pm

Kim...
Congrats! Hope this helps sales...Your verb is excellent, and CW needs a great verb associated with it. Once again...I LOVED what I heard of the ambience program. I'd be VERY HAPPY to pay you today for a non-demo version...please!!!!!

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:34 pm

same here...

@matej - their shop system isn't fully automated and they need some time to verify the credit card data.
So I dropped them an email (pulsar AT sonictimeworks.com), half a day later the program was in the mail, then I generated the request string for protection, mailed it back and next day the key arrived.
Once they noticed my purchase they handled it as fast as it goes - I hope your transfer doesn't slip into weekend zone...

cheers, Tom

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:44 pm

Thanks Tom.

Matej, I just fired off an email on behalf of both of us (CC'ed you on the email).

Looking forward to hearing this verb.

Cheers,

Johann

bbrian · Post by **bbrian** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:54 pm

It will probably take 2-3 days to get the reg stuff, at least that is what I experienced. Worth the wait 10 times over! Awesome that CWA is finally publicizing this!! Also I have been busy trying to "pimp" this device at kvr-vst.com and the UAD-1 forums

fidox · Post by **fidox** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:49 pm

ok, thanks!

i'm still hardly waiting...

matej

dickster · Post by **dickster** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:28 am

I recently got the demo versions of p100 and a100. I tried to load them into a project but had DSP overload problems. I was unable to load both of them. For some strange reason,I tried loading the reverbs first before loading any other plugins,and it works fine.I have both reverbs,several ISON demos,an optimaster,a PSYQ,a STS5000,a couple of asio drivers, a wave driver,about 10 SFP EQs in use,and 10 stereo channels connected. I had way less devices than this open when I first tried to load P100 and A100 "after" loading other plugins.Then I got a DSP overload warning and would not load both reverbs.I have 15 DSPs and my DSP bar is a little more than 34 full. Anyone have an explanation for this? Maybe I accidentally discovered something. I hope so!!

dickster · Post by **dickster** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:38 am

Some of you that are having DSP overload problems with P100,and A100,try loading the reverbs first, before loading any other plugins and see if it makes a difference. I would be very curious to see if anyone else gets different results by doing it this way.I did!

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:21 am

On 2004-08-20 03:28, dickster wrote:
...Maybe I accidentally discovered something...

don't worry - it has beed discussed in the 'problems' forum

both device are more PCI than DSP hungry and your observation of the different loading sequence makes sense.
The distribution of DSP code is a very complex process, and if a demanding device can allocate it's resources undisturbed that may help in certain cases.

cheers, Tom

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 9:33 pm

Wow!

Bought it on Friday, sent string Saturday, activated on Sunday ! That's the weekend, folks!

Thanks Craig

oh and Warp, beautiful device

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 2:46 am

Hmmmm... Bought it on Tuesday, emailed STW on Thursday, still haven't heard anything...

Grumpf,

Johann
(Yes I'm impatient

)

decimator · Post by **decimator** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:56 am

Thanks CWA for finally having displayed the P-100 on the frontpage !!!

If you put more often some well deserved highlights on some third party creations that would really encourage them to persevere.

I hope sales will rise more significantly but I would expect it in the long term, I suspect ( maybe ) a lot of users may not have a lot of DSP ( 3 - 4 ) so they use primary the routing possibilities , I hear often that people has to wait to find 100 euros to spend on any plugs ( native or SFP ) but more preocupying fact is that I very often witness cases of people that need to be really pushed hard to try a demo

It's not going to blow the computer but some don't try unless they are urged to, the message has to be hammered again and again, terrible huge inertia ....

The fact that the cards are less costly than ever + bundles offered may swell the pool of potential buyers + buzz spreading slowly outside out SFP comunity as well.

The P-100 and A-100 are certainly on a lot of to buy lists, many hundred sales per algo in the year to come ?